Posted: 24th June 2009 00:07
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Cyan can be so powerfull in endgame that it isn't even funny.
7 hits for 9999 dmg=70k dmg. Some say he is weak but he is not,sure it takes time to get to quadra slice but its worth it. With quadra slice and levelnig with i think it was bismark or something else to raise strength,he can beat the living out of kefka. This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 24th June 2009 00:07 -------------------- We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars. Neil Degrasse Tyson. |
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Posted: 24th June 2009 00:29
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Oooh, Cyan with Offering + Genji Gloves would kick so much ass. And yeah SwordTech takes long but he's still a valuable character in my team.
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Posted: 24th June 2009 02:31
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I can't remember the exact combination of items I used, but my Cyan would do 8 attacks, with each landing 6000, if I recall.
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Posted: 24th June 2009 08:15
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ANY character will be powerful in the endgame so it's a non-point.
Some people say Cyan's weak, which is a bit of an exaggaration, but he is mediocre at best throughout most of the game. -------------------- "I fell off the mountain of words at around the 10,000ft mark. Tell my family...they owe me money." -Narratorway "If you retort against this, so help me God I'll shove any part of your anatomy I can find into some other part. Figuratively, of course." - Josh "We have more, can deliver tuesday." - Del S Good old CoN |
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Posted: 24th June 2009 09:50
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Cyan is a bit weak compared to the other characters, but he's one of my favorites in the game, so I always use him.
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Posted: 24th June 2009 10:15
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His magic is not good, but a good cleave always makes me smile. It's like a Odin/Raiden for no MP.
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Posted: 24th June 2009 10:34
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Quote (SilverMaduin @ 24th June 2009 08:15) ANY character will be powerful in the endgame so it's a non-point. Some people say Cyan's weak, which is a bit of an exaggaration, but he is mediocre at best throughout most of the game. Not at all. Cyan is overkill in power i do 9999 dmg*7 Sabim=9999 per turn etc What does this mean? well:if you get bismark and level cyan with espers his strength goes up by 2 and if you keep doing it you will max him out. Good after that do the same with gogo and then do magic and use cyans quadra slice and then have gogo copy wich does less dmg but will still do alot. If done right you will rape any enemy in this game. Before the castle where he gets his final abilities he is pretty limited to quadra slam wich still does decent dmg.He will not do 9999 dmg though and unless you take your time to really level characters,then you will not notice.For me the character i least used was locke,i thought locke was a good character,just that in combat wise i think he isn't very usefull unless you want to steal something. Also there is a use for umaro,take umaro to the tower of fanatics and have him kill off the level magics.He ignores the fact that you can only use magic and hits real hard.Also take locke to steal mega elexirs. Oh for some reason on the rom version of ff6.Cyan's attack does 4 hits not 7.It used to do 7 or maybe it was 8? This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 24th June 2009 18:00 -------------------- We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars. Neil Degrasse Tyson. |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 02:11
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Quote but he's one of my favorites in the game, so I always use him. Regardless, by the time you get to the end of the game and finish leveling people up, it really doesn't matter which person you chose. So I always stick with the ones I like, such as, in this case, Cyan. He's one of the better characters squenix has ever produced, IMO. -------------------- Currently Playing : Final Fantasy V Most Recently Beat : Elder Scrolls: Skyrim Favorite Game : Final Fantasy X The newest CoNcast is up! Have a listen! |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 02:43
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I'm pretty sure Quadra Slice has always hit 4 times. Hence the "quadra" in its name. I remember being very disappointed when I first used it because it's essentially the exact same as Quadra Slam but takes twice as long to charge. Maybe you remember the number 7 being associated with because it is the 7th SwdTech.
I loved Cyan when I was younger. I thought it was cool that he could use Dispatch every turn without any drawbacks or taking any longer than using the fight command. I never really noticed the poor stats when I was younger because I didn't really know what they were. Haha. So even though Cyan is clearly outclassed by basically everyone in the game, there's still a soft spot in my heart for him. Umaro is a different story. He is my current favorite hands down. This post has been edited by Caesar on 3rd July 2009 02:43 -------------------- Is PJ |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 03:34
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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 23rd June 2009 19:07) Cyan can be so powerfull in endgame that it isn't even funny. 7 hits for 9999 dmg=70k dmg. Some say he is weak but he is not,sure it takes time to get to quadra slice but its worth it. With quadra slice and levelnig with i think it was bismark or something else to raise strength,he can beat the living out of kefka. ANY character can reach 8 X 9999 damage, and without a charge time. Just FYI. ![]() |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 12:37
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Quote (yelanates @ 3rd July 2009 03:34) With quadra slice and levelnig with i think it was bismark or something else to raise strength,he can beat the living out of kefka. [/QUOTE] ANY character can reach 8 X 9999 damage, and without a charge time. Just FYI. ![]() Not unless you have some sort of special item. Bums rush is 1 hit for 9999 ultima hits once for 9999 Quadra slice used to hit 6 or 7 times for 10k and i'm absolutely sure because it was on the snes version. Problem is that he doesn't do that much damage early on and it takes time. Sabim is on the other hand a very good character.He is also very charismatic,always loved think a bear like me can join you? and i get tired of these muscles.LOL -------------------- We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars. Neil Degrasse Tyson. |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 13:13
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The special sort of item is Genji Glove + Offering. You can train any character in strength and give them those items and they will do 9999 damage 8 times. In this sense, Cyan is no better than anybody else.
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 13:56
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It pains me to say this, since I like Cyan as a character, but he's on the weak side overall. With Genji Glove, Offering, Gem Box, and specific stat training, just about any character can deal damage in the tens of thousands. To do it in the method you're describing, you have to be a sitting duck for seven seconds before Cyan can pull it off. You can do a lot of other stuff in those seven seconds.
Cyan's general stat makeup is pretty weak - decent vigor and stamina, but low speed, magic, and in general below-average. Other people can do more damage with more effective means than Cyan can with those same means. Quandra Slice doesn't push him into the top tier. -------------------- |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 14:58
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That's to his disadvantage.
His bushido tech is too slow to be very effective and in 1 on 1 matches he would be eaten alive. Perhaps its age,perhaps not. -------------------- We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars. Neil Degrasse Tyson. |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 15:04
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It would be interesting to see how you guys would rate the characters without the use of super powered relics like offering, genji glove, gem box, or economizer. How good are they in battle based on their own merits? I haven't given it much thought before, but Cyan might not be that bad in that sense. What do you guys think?
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 15:13
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Quote (Ruin's Fate @ 3rd July 2009 15:04) It would be interesting to see how you guys would rate the characters without the use of super powered relics like offering, genji glove, gem box, or economizer. How good are they in battle based on their own merits? I haven't given it much thought before, but Cyan might not be that bad in that sense. What do you guys think? I have given it some thought. If you use psycho cyan then he is really overkill. imp+bushido skill 2+death and then life2=psycho cyan who is overkill. you don't need economizer or genji glove for sabim to be overkill. Just give him bums rush and fight is over IMO for terra: Terra+ultima or bio=devastating damage to a enemy terra transformed+fire3/ice3/bolt3/bio ultima meteor etc=death no matter what you cast.It simply is overkill beyond imagination.I did nearly 6k to punaba and the fight ended real quick and you can get her in that world in the world of balance making her a godess of magic. Locke:With ultima sword and decent magic he can be rather strong.He will be stronger with full magic though and in the world of ruin he is not very powerfull in comparison to say terra or terra or edgar. Edgar:In the world of balance he is very powerfull and noiseblaster is extremely usefull,even in the world of ruin in some fights it is useful.Drill is nice and chainsaw does good damage,i get annoyed by the insta kill effect since it misses more often than not.Another thing that is nice additive is bio blaster,in the world of balance it is the most usefull item for battles such as defending narshe and really early on,in the world of ruin its not very usefull.Autobow is also somewhat limited use in world of ruin as enemies have alot more hitpoints.He is a very well balanced character and therefore a must to have. Terra:Before getting transform she starts out with spells wich makes her the most usefull character,she also fights well with a sword.After she gets transform and you level her up and use the right combo,she is a must as she is a real powerhouse in the world of ruin. Strago:Strago is very usefull in powers.I don't tend to use his magic outside of boss fights as it is not a necessity in regular fights,i use him for boss fights as that is where you need him.His lore magic has great spells like grand train and shields white wind and some other spells. Lore has plenty of decent damage spells. Celes:She is good in elemental fights and has the advantage of getting magic before anybody else except for terra who is the first you get with magic.In endgame against Kefka and some other bosses with area spells,runic is useless for area spells.She does get good spellpower and that is the advantage to keep her,I say:Use her for her magic and not as much her runic power. Gau:He is a good character and still is not bad in the world of ruin.You generally need to take the time to get his rages and he can be usefull. In the endgame though he is not quite as usefull as he was in the world of balance and things balance out more.I play him without rages in the endgame with spells. Mog:You need all the dances to make mog a good character.Each dance is powerfull.I prefer the one with sunbath as it heals quite well.Of course give this character magic up and other stats+magic and any character can be good. Gogo:he is a usefull character if you use mimic or even blitz and or you transform.You can do anything wich means he can copy anybody.Give him some magic and transform and something else and he is nasty. Umaro:he's good for arena and he is also good for tower of fanatics,generally speaking i do not like him much because you have no controll and blizzard has limited use for certain enemies weak versus cold.The good thing is,if you raise his strength he will become a powerhouse in hitting doing 10k each turn and if you don't mind not controlling his character and you heal him he can be a good heavy hitter. Cyan:His bushido technique lacks enough speed to be called decent,if like sabim he could do the techs by pressing buttons it would be usefull. In the time you use bushido tech you could hit with sabim 7 timed or 8. And in snes version he its 4 times and you do 9999 with quadra slice wich sucks,maybe i had economizer and that is the reason quadra slice hit 7 times? Realm:Generally speaking i do not use her at all,i find her sketch ability and capture to be mostly for learning spells.She hits pretty weak and uses rods.You could just get her grandpa who is more usefull and equip him with heal rod and hit with white wind or somethnig. Setzer:The problem with slot is:MUGU MUGU!!! JESUS!!! i get lagomorph too often,and when you do get something good its rare you get anything that isn't the blue lines.His cards doesn't consist of being too powerfull either. Shadow:I cannot remember how powerfull he was with his throws at the end of the game,he was the one i least used in the end for some reason. He is a very good character and in the world of balance his throw techs do considerably high damage to enemies.The only risk is not being able to equip magic for a considerable amount of time till you get him after kefka goes to the 3 godess statues wich is a very long time,and i recommend learning all the spells from the world of balance as it is alot easier. I will give shadow more of a chance next time i play,i was just annoyed because he keeps leaving the team after a few fights and in that i learned to not like having him ever since the world of balance. This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 3rd July 2009 15:54 -------------------- We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars. Neil Degrasse Tyson. |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 17:44
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I dunno cyan was always pretty decent for me.O' course getting everything maxed out for everyone means you can choose your party based on who would go with who.
Locke Celes Cyan Gau Sabin Umaro Mog Gau Setzer Edgar Sabin Edgar To name but a few Also everyone complains about his slownessness but with cactaur magicite(+2 Speed) He can be FASTER THAN LOCKE! This post has been edited by R8.50 Mango on 3rd July 2009 18:36 -------------------- Since I advertise CoN there I think it's only fair that I advertise The Wiki here. |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 20:29
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Quote (Caesar @ 2nd July 2009 18:43) I loved Cyan when I was younger. I thought it was cool that he could use Dispatch every turn without any drawbacks or taking any longer than using the fight command. I never really noticed the poor stats when I was younger because I didn't really know what they were. Haha. So even though Cyan is clearly outclassed by basically everyone in the game, there's still a soft spot in my heart for him. This is exactly how I felt about Cyan. Nowadays, I recognize that, in comparison, he's actually pretty horrendous. He was awesome when I was younger, though. |
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Posted: 3rd July 2009 20:36
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Quote (Kane @ 3rd July 2009 20:29) Quote (Caesar @ 2nd July 2009 18:43) I loved Cyan when I was younger. I thought it was cool that he could use Dispatch every turn without any drawbacks or taking any longer than using the fight command. I never really noticed the poor stats when I was younger because I didn't really know what they were. Haha. So even though Cyan is clearly outclassed by basically everyone in the game, there's still a soft spot in my heart for him. This is exactly how I felt about Cyan. Nowadays, I recognize that, in comparison, he's actually pretty horrendous. He was awesome when I was younger, though. I think the snes version is different kane. You check up on it and see for yourself,i think he has 7 or 8 hits with quadra slice,even though it is very slow. -------------------- We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars. Neil Degrasse Tyson. |
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Posted: 15th July 2009 15:30
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Haste doesn't have an effect on how fast his sword tech/bushido charges does it? I would just check myself but my snes is waaaaaay over there and i don't feel like hooking it up.
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Posted: 15th July 2009 17:32
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Bushido isn't affected by haste but I find the techniques contained herein to be a little on the weak side
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Posted: 15th July 2009 20:27
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i love Cyan as a character, and I love his storyline, but he just doesnt cut it. He isnt all that great. But i use him anyway, just because i think hes cool.
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Posted: 19th July 2009 09:05
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MeepleLard over at Gamefaqs has organized the abilities of characters on their own merits very well over at GameFaqs. Unfortunately, Cyan is not really good. His Bushido just takes way too long.
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Posted: 19th July 2009 16:44
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The abilities look good on paper but the sword techniques generally do generally take too long to charge. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you have to keep the swrd tech menu open the entire time while charging the different techniques? If so, then not only are you wasting time that could be spent fighting with Cyan but you're also delaying your input time for other characters, which isn't usually worth whatever bolster in strength he may get for the waiting.
This can be combated by filling in the other slots with three auto-attacking characters like Mog, Gau, Umaro or sometimes Gogo. Being the only input ready member of the party can make things rather dicey however, as the others can rather stupidly let bad things happen. Funnily enough, that kinda makes him like the generic distraught manager of The Three Stooges bits. His nightmare scenario kinda makes a lot more sense that way come to think about it. Even if you do that however, are his four hit attacks worth it? It seems like you could just use fight four times in a row for the time to takes to charge one of those, making the point of bypassing the damage cap kinda moot. To be fair, I find the Temptest is a powerful weapon early in the game because of its ability to randomly hit all enemies. His magic may not be strong but to his benefit as a caster, Soul Eater is interesting in that he can regain M.P. if you don't have the Quote (Doughboyjones) Haste doesn't have an effect on how fast his sword tech/bushido charges does it? I would just check myself but my snes is waaaaaay over there and i don't feel like hooking it up. It's mostly the twisting isn't it? I loathed hooking them up as well until I realized the N64 cord could fit in the back and be used instead of the RF Switch. This post has been edited by Tonepoet on 19th July 2009 16:57 -------------------- |
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Posted: 19th July 2009 21:21
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It also depends on stat boosting if you're going to rate characters without uber things, and what about magic?
Overall, I think that Terra is probably the "best" character. She has good magic stats (not as good as Relm, though) and decent Physical stats, and can wear a huge amount of equipment to boost either. She gets the Minerva Bustier and the Mystery/Oath Veil. Trance is a boss killer, easily, and she learns magic naturally. |
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