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I was talking to my friend the other day, as wii motion plus was talked about at E3, when we came upon a talk with Miyamoto at IGN, and he mentioned a new Zelda title possibly slated for 2010. He said that depending on the sales of Wii Sports Resort (which will probably be good despite quality, like Wii Fit), he was going to have the next Zelda game be playable ONLY with Wii Motion+, that it would be necessary.

My Friend says this is a good idea, but i disagreed, asking what would some people do if theirs broke somehow, got lost (hypothetically), or something happened to it.

I wanted to know what you all think...should the WMP be NECESSARY, or simply be an add-on to enhance the game?

I suggested a "switch" in the 'options' section of the game to be able to play with one if you have it or not if you don't.

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I think it's BS when a company pulls this kind of stuff. All Nintendo is trying to is force a certain segment of it's fan base to buy into new technology(That wasn't necessary in the first place).

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Yeah. That's not cool. I think it shouldnt be made necessary, but it should be compatible with every game.

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Ninetendo fans should be used to this by now I'm afraid, and most of the rest of us (IE XBox owners and all seventeen PS3 owners*) are also going to have to get used to it. Nintendo love cheap little hardware gimmicks, and now they're in the lead that love of cheap gimmicks is going to be heavily copied and heavily marketed instead of only cropping up in niche games.

Personally, I think a game should work with the default setup you get in the box plus anything new they add. After all, most PC games will work with your mouse and keyboard, you don't need a joypad or a three hundred button special keyboard. Sadly, Nintendo is now the market leader, and like any industry gaming simply follows the plans of the man with the piles of cash.



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I agree with Del S.

I hate that you have to use the Wiimote on every game. I'd love to use the classic controller on certain games, bc I bought a wrestling game. It should use the traditional controller, but no, I had to use the Wiimote and I couldnt do it. They shouldn't even have the wiimote necessary, let alone the motion plus.

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I think the wiimote should be needed since it is the keynote controller with the wii and it even is packaged in with the system, but options are always your friend. Im sure theyll still make money by people getting motionplus (i know i am...) but the thought of "NECESSITY" makes me feel locked out if applied to games, which is why i have real problems with PC games, having to upgrade your graphics cards, RAM, etc to play higher-end games. (Speaking of which, ive also noticed many PC gamers of my friends arent console gamers as much...)

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I'm of the opinion that they probably should have tried to make the original Wiimote include the functionality of the WM+, and honestly, I also think they probably did and just couldn't make it work for whatever reason.

It seems to me, though, that the people posting here so far are getting way more bent out of shape than is necessary over this, for the following reasons:

1. It's only $19 on pre-order at AmaCoN - as accessories go, that's hardly an expensive one; obviously it adds up if you have to buy four, but I doubt most people will need to buy four at once, will they? Will you?
2. Having not even been released yet, it's already meant to come packaged with two games, and if you happen to like the Tiger Woods series, I note that a WM+ will actually cost you half as much if you buy it in the Tiger Woods bundle. What I'm saying is, there will probably be lots of opportunities to get one down the road if you decide the game library warrants it for you - Nintendo's not holding a gun to your head to line up on release day.
3. If you aren't happy with the fact that you have to use motion-sensing controllers, then why on earth did you buy a Wii? It was a gaming platform predicated on this new control scheme, why haven't you made peace with the fact that developers will push you into using it?
4. The purpose of the WM+ is to provide more precise control while keeping the same general control schema in place. It is intended to increase the playability and enjoyment of the games with which it works; while a switch to use it or not is a good idea in theory, I would wager that attempting to play some of these games with the original Wiimote instead of the enhanced one would have most gamers complaining about how terrible the game is without it.
5. Sometimes things *are* just necessary. You should be thankful that this add-on - that yes, will likely become necessary before the lifespan of the Wii is over - is just an add-on and doesn't require you to get a new, actual piece of hardware. You're better off saving the argument for when games that will only play on the DSi come out. We've all seen posts at these forums and others where people say that they're willing to buy new hardware for a game - Final Fantasy XIII, Crysis, etc. I don't think it's ludicrous to demand an add-on to play certain games, either.

I can totally relate to what some of you guys are saying - nobody wants to feel forced to ante up more cash, ever. It's the way of the business, though - as much as we all talk about how much we love retro games, especially at this site, we wouldn't want to be shackled only to old technology forever, would we?

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Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

As I read through the other posts on here, I initially felt like they shouldn't require it, that to require it would be a ridiculous money grab. Then, I considered the fact that, although I don't particularly care for the Wii-mote, it is the building block of the whole system. Why shouldn't they improve upon it? (I've had a few issues with Wii-mote tracking my movements, most prevalent in Wii Boxing, but a few others as well.) It's slated at a reasonable price-point, and if it improves the gameplay experience, I'm all for it.

I was the Yes vote, but I suppose the option not available that I should have voted for was that It should be compatible with all new Wii games that would have an enhanced experience through it.

I'm pretty sure I'm definitely getting a Wii Motion +, Even if it's only for the Sports Resort (which will be an obvious bundled buy), and Tiger Woods '10.

I accidentally bought into Tiger Woods 07 When it came out, and severely regretted my purchase, because it's not "true to life" swinging. Granted, it was more accurate than Wii Sports golf, but I wanted realism, I thought this was guaranteed and promised on the Wii, and Golfing is a recreational activity I would do if there wasn't a $700 annual fee for the even half-good courses in my town. So yes, I'm all in on buying my WM+, It's definitely cheaper than a single new club or greens fees, and hey! I'll get to play other games with it too!



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I'm going to say yes, with one contingent factor: The add-on must provide the functionality promised during E3. While I'm sure there will be some initial issues, it'd better not turn into a nightmare, with people waiting 6-8 months to play purchased games while Nintendo resolves issues.

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Quote (r_c_cola2001 @ 6th June 2009 22:26)

I'm going to say yes, with one contingent factor: The add-on must provide the functionality promised during E3. While I'm sure there will be some initial issues, it'd better not turn into a nightmare, with people waiting 6-8 months to play purchased games while Nintendo resolves issues.

I don't they want that either (I'm speaking of Nintendo). I would hope that it can perform better, or at least equal to, what Sony's motion sensor prototype did. The more I think about it, the Motion-Plus might just be the thing to get me started back on the Wii again.

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No, I'm not a fan of all this motion-sensitive business.

Shouldn't Nintendo just give this out for free? You did pay for the console, no? If Microsoft asked me to do this I'd be shocked...

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Quote (sweetdude @ 7th June 2009 10:36)

Shouldn't Nintendo just give this out for free? You did pay for the console, no? If Microsoft asked me to do this I'd be shocked...

Not to start an argument, but just as an observation:

I am both a Wii and X360 owner, and I can guarantee that the Wii Motion Plus - even bundled with a game - will probably be 1/2 to 1/4 of the price of just the Project Natal hardware by itself, as the games are going to be DLC from the looks of it.

Wii is gonna charge people for this, obviously, and as their dominance in the market has started to reach its pinnacle, they're gonna start looking for other ways to put it back on top, and it's gonna cost more money.

Believe me, I am excited for, and willing to purchase both without question, I'm not saying that one is greater than the other, but Microsoft is going to give no breaks to anyone on this either. They didn't offer free upgrades to larger drives after they released the 120s and 60s...

I guess I might have missed your point on the Microsoft argument...

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Sorry, that was supposed to be sardonic but maybe I didn't make it clear enough.

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I win at failing. My apologies Sweetdude. I missed the joke.

But althought it is a topic about WM+, the argument could be brought to other consoles: how many titles do you think will offer an "enhanced experience" with the other company's motion sensing hardwares? And isn't the goal to be as true to life? I wanna see Xbox release a shooter that is a shooter. I challenge this, in fact, as Wii is the only console to bring this, and Red Steel 2 has already committed to enhancing their experience with the WM+.

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It's still not as bad as when Nintendo started requiring GBAs as controllers for any multi-player Cube game. Why create a system with four built-in controller ports and then require people to buy a $100+ piece of equipment to use them? Keep in mind that's one GBA per port, even for player one! That's over $400! Sheesh. At least they they didn't come up with that idea until after they released Melee (but not before Crystal Chronicles, grrrr). If this add-on is only $19, that's practically a gift in this day and age.

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It's still not as bad as when Nintendo started requiring GBAs as controllers for any multi-player Cube game. Why create a system with four built-in controller ports and then require people to buy a $100+ piece of equipment to use them? Keep in mind that's one GBA per port, even for player one! That's over $400! Sheesh. At least they they didn't come up with that idea until after they released Melee (but not before Crystal Chronicles, grrrr). If this add-on is only $19, that's practically a gift in this day and age.

This was the EXACT notion i was considering when i posted this topic, not necessarily that it is a stupid addon or that it should be free, but that it hopefully wont end up like the GBA-GC thang! That was terrible for that to be the way four swords worked, and i hope no more games do this (i think i blew off topic a bit in this one post...)

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Quote (MetroidMorphBall @ 7th June 2009 18:41)

If this add-on is only $19, that's practically a gift in this day and age.

You're right. We're so used to being ripped off that paying $19 for something that is doing what the console was supposed to do in the first place is practically a blessing. I think our collective frame of reference is terribly misplaced.

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Actually, my crew already did!

I went and bought the Tiger Woods '10 bundle, that only costs $10 extra over the cost of the brand new game, and, let me tell ya... WORTH IT.

This product does SO MUCH for motion control in compatable games that I fully stand by my YES decision now. If the game relies on motion detection, this SHOULD BE A NECESSITY.

Yea it's a plug for, "Upgrade our crap!" But this is like when they added ESP to CD players: it seemed like a little difference, but NOT skipping if the going gets rough is so much worth it.

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Quote (leilong @ 13th June 2009 19:54)

Actually, my crew already did!

I went and bought the Tiger Woods '10 bundle, that only costs $10 extra over the cost of the brand new game, and, let me tell ya... WORTH IT.

This product does SO MUCH for motion control in compatable games that I fully stand by my YES decision now. If the game relies on motion detection, this SHOULD BE A NECESSITY.

Well, that might be worth it, ya know. I have just had an influx of money come in (grad money) and if it makes it that much better, than ok.

btw, does it just work on that game?

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It is unfortunately only compatible with games that specify it's compatibility.

As of current, Tiger Woods is the only game out to my knowledge. So don't worry about running out and getting it now unless you want to play Tiger right away. Wii Sports Resort will be out next month, and it will also come with a sensor. By about that time, I'm sure more stuff will be out. Also, Red Steel 2 will come bundled with a sensor, and THAT will be when they're really going to start popping off shelves.

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