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Hmm well something I found while watching an old movie Demonic Toys, if anyone has seen it maybe you can state the same thing as me. The Jack-in-the-box.............Holy crap didnt he remind me of Kefka. Just mainly of the makeup wise.

I think KEfka woulda been a bit creepier looking if he did have fangs. Thats just my opinion

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I really like both Kefka and Sephiroth. Kefka is a crazy and unpredictable psychopath and Sephiroth is well-developed, cold and evil. I don't think it's really fair to compare them based on which character is better. They're both different kinds of villain. It's ok to prefer Kefka. However, saying Sephiroth is a poor character is totally wrong.

You're right. And they are not only comparing two different types of villains, but they are probably the best of each respective types. I've said they are the two best two villains in Final Fantasy, at least. Both were spectacular.

My main issue is,i do not consider sephiroth a villain in ff7.
He was so badly scripted that he could have been the main hero,i feel absolute pitty for him and his past trauma.

As for cloud,i trully despise him as a hero.Never have i felt such hate for a hero.I found that he didn't pay enough attention to his childhood friend tifa and was cold as a person.

I found cid to have personality,he was in fact my favorite person in ff7 in comparison to the others who had no impression

It was the first time in my life i felt like reversing roles of hero and villain in ff7 because i felt more towards the villain than the hero.

Kefka seems better scripted,simply better script.

Sorry! but its true.I do not mean for him to say he was the worse i mean it is true that he is not predictable.Yes i have seen villains that their plot seem somewhat predictable like i didn't think much of the main villain in grandia 2 who has a malicious laugh.Although i liked the end where he questions why he lost and why he was wrong.

Seriously i had mixed feelings about ff7,someg ood and some bad.

I would have liked sephiroth as the hero better than as the villain and in fact i would feel more compassionate to his cause of suffering.

Sorry if i rambled on too long.


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I disagree. I think it is better to have him as a villain, because he is the villain. While you feel sorry for him doesn't change that he tried to destroy the world. Many good villains are empathetic, like Darth Vader. You feel sorry for him, but he is the antagonist.

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Praise Be To Helix!

I must say that Kefka is indeed one of the best villains in FF story. He is one clown that I would't hire for my birthday party. Witty one-liners, treachery, manipulation, all in a green and red package.

Killing Leo and his ramblings during the final battle were the coup de grace.



But must every bad guy thread always end with comparisons with Sephiroth?

I must say, for me he was no big deal. (I also must say I played only FF7. No movies, no spinoffs) Sure, he looks cool, but what did he do? He killed people. He was a decent villain, but even Seymour seemed more badass/profound than him, let alone Kefka.

(a joke: why is Kefka 6 times better than Sephiroth? He has six wings!)

And now to make a stand for Kuja. He was sly, both a poet and a psycho. He was a lover of theater, an hedonist. He was both charming and evil. Kuja is the epitome of villainy. He is the god of all bad guys.

Sephiroth is empty, poorly scripted. But a cool battle theme with a latin chorus and an awesome final form makes up for it.

Kefka owns. His laugh. His expressions (waving his finger, anyone?). His 20-minute long Dancing mad. His will to destroy everythinh he didn't understand.

But Kuja. He is the best. He didn't need wings to fly. He never oficially lost a battle. He redeems at the end (oh crap).



When evaluating a bad guy, we consider why does he do it:


-Why do you want to blow up the world?

- Kefka: I want to kill feelings and to deep fry people. Blowing up the world was a bonus (he's clearly crazy, so we'll just take it)
- Sephiroth: I had a troubled past and want lots and lots of power. Blowing up the world is part of the process (doesn't seem very convincing, does it?)
- Kuja: I just wanted to rule over the world with my endless love... then I found out I was programmed to be disposed of when a superior model managed to reach maturity. Accepting my mortality maddened me, so in despair I decided if I was going to die, why should the others live?


Now tell me: which one of the three seems the most understandable?



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But must every bad guy thread always end with comparisons with Sephiroth?

THANK YOU!, That's what I've been saying all along. I've had enough with the Sephiroth Vs. Bob or Bill or Jimmy.


Spoilers for various Final Fantasies

And now that you brought Kuja to the mix, please allow meto mention others. Xande reasons are very similar to Kuja's, he wanted to freeze time because he received the gift of “mortality” from his master.

Nobody cares about poor Mateus, he killed a main character first, he destroyed countless cities first, he took over hell itself, but nooo, he is forgotten.

And what about Ex-death? Personally I found Galuf dead to be more tear jerking than Leo or Aeris. We didn't get a lot of time to get to know Leo. Aeris was killed from the back, Galuf was an old man who fought with zero hp, ZERO, if that is not badass I don't know what is.

Kefka is my favorite FF villian, but It's only natural to give credit when credit is due.

I like Kefka because he is a clown, a really creepy clown, but a clown nonetheless. He filled pretty well the villain role and I'm just a sucker for extreme turning points in games.


Oh, and the laugh!

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Quote (Toransu Kuja @ 30th June 2009 22:30)

But must every bad guy thread always end with comparisons with Sephiroth?

THANK YOU!, That's what I've been saying all along. I've had enough with the Sephiroth Vs. Bob or Bill or Jimmy.

Well, the first post in here compared him to Sephiroth, so I suppose that is why we are comparing them. As I've said, they are two of the greatest villains in Final Fantasy history, and they each committed numerous atrocities (including two of the most tragic deaths in history). It is only natural to compare them.

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Just for the record: I didn't cried when Aeris/Aerith/whatever her name is died. I was actually kind of happy because I hated her. Leo was also no big deal. I was sad for a second, but I got over it. But Galuf's death was a stab through the heart... I really got used to the funny old man.

Listing all bad guys:

Garland: Never played, can't tell.
Mateus: Same
Xande: Not bad.
Zemus: Not big deal of a bad guy. They were trying to create a plotline where all bad guys are good guys being controlled. Zemus controlled Golbez who controlled Kain.
Exdeath (I'm not going to write X-Death!): First bad guy with an actual personality. Cliché though.
Kefka: Finally, a real bad guy! The kind of bad guy we both fear and ridicularise.
Sephiroth: Too. Much. Fuss.
Ultimecia: I'm not going to talk about what I don't know. But no one seems to care about her.
Kuja: Good script, memorable quotes, good background and personality-wise excellent. My fave.
The baddies from 10: Too many of them. Period. And one of them is a dead guy who goes TRANSFORMER. All pretty well-developed, though.

This post has been edited by Toransu Kuja on 3rd July 2009 12:08

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Snooping as usual, I see?

Quote (Toransu Kuja @ 30th June 2009 23:30)

When evaluating a bad guy, we consider why does he do it:


-Why do you want to blow up the world?

- Kefka: I want to kill feelings and to deep fry people. Blowing up the world was a bonus (he's clearly crazy, so we'll just take it)
- Sephiroth: I had a troubled past and want lots and lots of power. Blowing up the world is part of the process (doesn't seem very convincing, does it?)
- Kuja: I just wanted to rule over the world with my endless love... then I found out I was programmed to be disposed of when a superior model managed to reach maturity. Accepting my mortality maddened me, so in despair I decided if I was going to die, why should the others live?


Now tell me: which one of the three seems the most understandable?

The only problem with Kuja being one of the best villains in the FF series is how he looks. Both Kefka and Sephiroth look appropriate for their role, but Kuja takes the romantic look a bit too far. I can't stop thinking of the story of the man who removed his genitals to fit into a ballet costume. Yes he's an alright character, but in comparison to the rest of the brilliant crew of FFIX he's a weak link in the chain. Beatrix and Garland are better.

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Having said all that, Kuja does destroy an entire world and all life on it except for a handful of survivors. That's something that definitely goes in his favour.

Your part about Sephiroth is different from how I would have said it. He doesn't want to take over the world because of a troubled childhood, that's taking the anti-Sephiroth emo critique a little too far. He does so because he believes that he and his mother are destined to rule the world and it is Shinra, and all humanity by extension, who are his enemies, therefore they must be destroyed. Also Shinra's experiments still anger him because of the way they treated his mother. He's destructive and cruel as a result.

I really like how Kefka also becomes the king of the world at the end, ruling through fear. Another thing he does well is actually dominating the world. Many other villains have tried and failed to do this too.

This post has been edited by sweetdude on 3rd July 2009 12:11

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