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If this scene had taken place in a casino, with each character's network of allies taking part, then Bond wins. If it's a one-on-one fight in an empty building, then Bourne wins, regardless of gadgets or firearms. Actually, Bourne would probably win most of the time if it weren't for Bond's almost-trademark insane luck. Bourne takes it.

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Bourne
Why?
1. As already has been said, trumps Bond in hand-to-hand combat easily.
2. Kicks ass despite being amnesiac. Why not pit him against Samantha Caine/Charly Baltimore from "Long Kiss Goodnight"?
3. Relies less on luck and charisma. The latter is utterly useless in the setting we are provided.
4. It's a Brosnan Bond. That makes him powerless by Bond standards.
5. The sheer horror of being Matt Damon adds to Bourne's ferocity.
6. Bond doesn't have The Girl with him.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 9th April 2009 05:48

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Well it depends which Bond. By the picture and the Goldeneye reference I assume Brosnan Bond? If so then Bourne would take it.

Now if we were talking Craig, then Bond all the way.

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Life goes on, it surely will,
Without me and I wonder:
Will I ever see light again?

Life goes on...

Bond, James Bond

As a longtime Bond fan, I'm gonna have to give him my support. He's got the cool, he can operate any vehicle and has a gadget collection, in addition to being experienced in just about every type of battle situation imaginable (come on, how many movies are there? 84?).

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What a coincidence, I'd just been talking about a fight between Bond and Tintin, then this comes up!

There isn't really one Bond is there? The Craig Bond could break Damon in half if he wanted to - forget the gadgets. However, Sir Sean would probably escape and lose by default. I'm going to say Bond wins on the basis that I don't see Matt Damon as a warrior like Craig, I see him as The Talented Mr Ripley, and he really shouldn't be fighting with the big boys.

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

Even though I don't really like Matt Damon (apart, maybe, from making fun of him), I'd have to go with Bourne for that battle. The problem is the setting, actually. If Bond was to get rid of Bourne, he would make friends with him first and look for a weak point while slowly getting his trust. He may stand a chance in such a scenario (a chance, only a chance). But if Bourne knows there's an MI-6 agent after him, he'll just dispose of him. No gadgets will help.

Sorry, James, you lose.

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You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one...

Phew, things have quieted down awful fast. But here's another Wednesday Night to get things going again.

The results of last week's fight...

Voter Distribution
CoN Crew: 6 - 2, Bourne
LiveJournal: 0 - 0 (...seriously?)
Facebookies: 6 - 2, Bourne
Ready AIM Fire: 10 - 7, Bond
Team Target: 10 - 6, Bourne
Googlefight: +1, Bond

Total 29 - 21

Winner: Jason Bourne


And this week's fight, we pit two classic characters together. One might as well be the symbol for gaming company Naughty Dog. The other is one of the most familiar faces from the Nintendo 64 days.

In the RED Corner...



Crash Bandicoot

Crash is our first competitor. Happy go lucky and fun loving, he can still bowl over his villains with his tact and range. A true video game icon, he is worthy to be in the upper echelon with the likes of Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Solid Snake. Optimistic but ready to get down to business.


In the BLUE Corner...



Banjo - Kazooie

Quite the same ilk, Banjo is an optimistic bear tasked with carrying his bird friend Kazooie through the maddening hectic world. His girth and strength give him grounds to claim the fight. And the fact he has a second set of eyes doesn't hurt either. Banjo recently soiled his legacy by jumping ship to X Box. What happened to the good old N64 days?

How this fight came to be: Crash is the snake to Banjo's mongoose... or the mongoose to his snake... Either way. I don't know animals.

Setting: Mumbo Mountain

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"When I turn the page
The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

Banjo+Kazooie take the cake here. Even though they stick together most of the time, don't forget that they can split up and win the strength in numbers part as well. Not only that, but if it's on Mumbo Mountain, iirc, there's a flight pad that will give the duo the sure advantage. Their sheer diversity of moves will help them as well, especially if we're considering all the moves they get in the second game. Crash, though a very tough bandicoot, can really only run, jump, and spin. Not to mention the areas he's used to dealing with are a lot more linear than BK's homeland. The new BK was terrible, but the awesomeness of the first two, and the power of the duo, is definitely what wins it for me.

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"We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting... fighting was the only thing I was ever good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in." - Frank Yeager (a.k.a. Grey Fox)

Banjo Tooie is one of the very best platformers of the N64/PS1/Saturn era, right up there with Mario 64 and NiGHTS into Dreams. Crash Bandicoot is an icon... but Banjo's games are better. Nuts & Bolts, which I thought wasn't that great or that bad, absolutely destroys Crash's current offerings now that they aren't being made by Naughty Dog.

So yeah, Banjo & Kazooie win thanks to quality software. I'm generally not a big N64 fan, but I have to respect Banjo Tooie. That game is excellent.

This post has been edited by laszlow on 16th April 2009 03:40

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Crash games were something I really enjoyed playing back when PS1 was still popular. So I'm going with crash.

The results of last week's fight:

Voter Distribution
CoN Crew: 2 - 1, Banjo
Livejournal: 2 - 0, Banjo
Facebookies: 5 - 3, Banjo
Ready AIM Fire: 9 - 6, Crash
Team Target: 2 - 2, tie
Googlefight: +1, Banjo

Total: 18 - 15

Winner: Banjo and Kazooie


This week's fight is brought to you by Silver_Maduin. Enjoy.


Today, we pit two unstoppable forces against each other. One is aided by the help of a mechanical suit that could destroy cities. The other is quite possibly the epitome of lethal methods.


In the RED corner...



Mega Man Zero

Better, faster, stronger, more customizable. Zero is arguably more gifted and deadly than his "brother". Chased by Neo Arcadia and challenged by Elpizo and the Dark Elf, Zero blasted his way to victory time and time again. His ability to customize and bolster his weapons was a huge win and key to his success. Zero is built for the long haul and can inflict a huge chunk of damage with his toys.


And in the BLUE corner...



Gray Fox

Two words:

Cyborg.
Ninja.

Setting: Intergalactic neutral ground: Planet Zebes!

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The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

OMG!!!! Mega Man 0 FTW!!!! Sorry, Grey Fox, I like you and all, but MM would whoop you!!!!

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"We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting... fighting was the only thing I was ever good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in." - Frank Yeager (a.k.a. Grey Fox)

Using sliding, wall-jumping, slide-bounce-off-wall-jumping, and more crazy dodging, I should be able to defeat almost any opponent that doesn't beam-spam by using a Mega Man X/Zero character with those abilities.

I would pick X or Aile or Vent if I could, but I'm happy with Zero.

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 23rd April 2009 04:50

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I'm going to hit the Gray Fox button as well. I think Snake is one of those characters that I just can't ever imagine losing a fight.

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Gray Fox gave him one hell of a battle, saves him at one point, and is only finally destroyed by a huge walking ton of metal after disabling its radar and saving the world.

I've played a bit of Mega Man, and I don't really think he can match up to Gray Fox's strength, speed, invisibility and vitality. If we remember the ninja battle in MGS1, it was impossible to actually shoot him because he would always escape the gunfire; Mega Man will have the same problem.

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

Megaman is a stupid robot. Grey Fox is a ninja.

An invisible ninja.

Who is a cyborg.

No contest. The stupid robot is spare parts.

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-George Santayana

"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

MMZ is one of the lamer incarnations of a Mega Man protagonist, while Grey Fox is a mentally unbalanced cyborg ninja.

But I'm sorry, any kind of Mega Man can beat up a fool from MGS. Zero gets the win.

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Okay, so rather than any bias, I'm going to look at this from the most neutral standpoint, as I've never played MMZ or any MGS:

Lets focus on the terrain: This one I know... VERY WELL. I will be using the terrain as it is designed from Super Metroid.

I have played the first incarnations of Mega Man, and know that his weapon upgrades are of vital importance. If this is a trip to Zebes, then there is a free Charge, Ice, Wave, Spazer, and Plazma beam available SOMEWHERE ON THE WORLD.

Although it would be considered a long shot that MMZ would have time to find these, I would also think that a cyborg ninja would know that the element of surprise is vital for his victory, so a world-wide network of underground tunnels would be a perfect proving ground for him to be calculating and waiting just behind a door.

However, Mega Man typically gets his weapons as a side effect of the bosses he defeats, and there is one instance in Super Metroid (which happened on Zebes) that the death of a Metroid provided Samus with her most powerful weapon of all: the Hyper Beam. Ridley has some epic fire attacks, Kraid is a lame fool, Draygon (Maridia Boss) provided the ability to incapacitate foes, Phantoon (Wrecked Ship Boss) was a phazing ghost that absorbed energy from things. So if the "freebie" powerups were not compatable, these things would sure decimate the competition. The only variable is time, and whether Grey Fox would wait in ambush of one of these fights to come down upon a weakened and unprepared MMZ.

So here's my depiction of the battle:

And yes, that is a full-world map of Zebes.



MMZ and GF start where Samus' Ship lands [Pic Point A], MMZ runs left, GF runs Right. Although MMZ's trip is longer and more arduous, there is no water trap (As Maridia is the most obvious route down to Brinstar and Norfair from Wrecked Ship) and as GF navigates the murky depths of Maridia, where GF arrives after MMZ has passed, and waits in Ambush [Pic Points B to C], MMZ shoots down to Norfair and picks himself up an Ice Beam [Pic Point D].



From this point, MMZ returns upward to be caught in GF's ambush [Point E]. However, MMZ's new Ice Beam packs enough of a wallop to keep GF at bay whilst outrunning him to the Brinstar/Crateria elevator [Point F]. In the time lapse between MMZ's and GF's transport on the lift, MMZ prepares his own ambush [Point G].

When GF gets to the top of the old exit shaft, MMZ unleashes a Charged Ice Blast that incapacitates GF long enough to knock him down the long shaft. MMZ is aware that this is not the end of his foe, and proceeds onward with his task, hooking around into Tourian [Point H] to encounter the Giant Metroid. With tactful handling, and the use of the ice beam, MMZ effectively destroys the Giant Metroid [Point J], gaining the Hyper beam ability.

Unaware of this new development, GF decides to make another ambush at point K. When MMZ appears, he is initially caught off guard, but then rebounds with a well placed Ice Beam blast that stops GF long enough for one expertly placed Hyper shot that fells the foe.

Final conclusion: Mega Man Zero wins.


You will note however, that an entirely alternate unprepared MMZ story could be created with the simple change of GF using the first lift (which is well hidden btw) instead of the second at the beginning of the story.

So there you have it, accounting for the terrain, my interpretation of the battle.

This post has been edited by leilong on 25th April 2009 18:44

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Now, they should fight as warriors. Hand to hand is the basis of all combat. Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon.

Weapon or no, Gray Fox wins hands down.

Quote (leilong @ 25th April 2009 14:42)

Okay, so rather than any bias, I'm going to look at this from the most neutral standpoint, as I've never played MMZ or any MGS:

Lets focus on the terrain: This one I know...  VERY WELL. I will be using the terrain as it is designed from Super Metroid.

I have played the first incarnations of Mega Man, and know that his weapon upgrades are of vital importance. If this is a trip to Zebes, then there is a free Charge, Ice, Wave, Spazer, and Plazma beam available SOMEWHERE ON THE WORLD.

Although it would be considered a long shot that MMZ would have time to find these, I would also think that a cyborg ninja would know that the element of surprise is vital for his victory, so a world-wide network of underground tunnels would be a perfect proving ground for him to be calculating and waiting just behind a door.

However, Mega Man typically gets his weapons as a side effect of the bosses he defeats, and there is one instance in Super Metroid (which happened on Zebes) that the death of a Metroid provided Samus with her most powerful weapon of all: the Hyper Beam. Ridley has some epic fire attacks, Kraid is a lame fool, Draygon (Maridia Boss) provided the ability to incapacitate foes, Phantoon (Wrecked Ship Boss) was a phazing ghost that absorbed energy from things. So if the "freebie" powerups were not compatable, these things would sure decimate the competition. The only variable is time, and whether Grey Fox would wait in ambush of one of these fights to come down upon a weakened and unprepared MMZ.

So here's my depiction of the battle:

And yes, that is a full-world map of Zebes.



MMZ and GF start where Samus' Ship lands [Pic Point A], MMZ runs left, GF runs Right. Although MMZ's trip is longer and more arduous, there is no water trap (As Maridia is the most obvious route down to Brinstar and Norfair from Wrecked Ship) and as GF navigates the murky depths of Maridia, where GF arrives after MMZ has passed, and waits in Ambush [Pic Points B to C], MMZ shoots down to Norfair and picks himself up an Ice Beam [Pic Point D].



From this point, MMZ returns upward to be caught in GF's ambush [Point E]. However, MMZ's new Ice Beam packs enough of a wallop to keep GF at bay whilst outrunning him to the Brinstar/Crateria elevator [Point F]. In the time lapse between MMZ's and GF's transport on the lift, MMZ prepares his own ambush [Point G].

When GF gets to the top of the old exit shaft, MMZ unleashes a Charged Ice Blast that incapacitates GF long enough to knock him down the long shaft. MMZ is aware that this is not the end of his foe, and proceeds onward with his task, hooking around into Tourian [Point H] to encounter the Giant Metroid. With tactful handling, and the use of the ice beam, MMZ effectively destroys the Giant Metroid [Point J], gaining the Hyper beam ability.

Unaware of this new development, GF decides to make another ambush at point K. When MMZ appears, he is initially caught off guard, but then rebounds with a well placed Ice Beam blast that stops GF long enough for one expertly placed Hyper shot that fells the foe.

Final conclusion: Mega Man Zero wins.


You will note however, that an entirely alternate unprepared MMZ story could be created with the simple change of GF using the first lift (which is well hidden btw) instead of the second at the beginning of the story.

So there you have it, accounting for the terrain, my interpretation of the battle.

HOLY CRAP THIS IS TOO AWESOME.

I CANNOT DESCRIBE HOW AWESOME IT IS OTHER THAN TO SAY IT IS AWESOME.

You win.

(Now I want to wait for you to produce a tactical mapping for other such WNFs.)

Though I do have to say, why does Zero know the Ice Beam is there but Grey Fox not know that the elevator is there?

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 26th April 2009 18:12

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Gray Fox wins, it's not even a question.

Zero might be quick, but is designed with the three basic rules of robotics. He can't willingly harm a human, which, while mainly cybernetic, Frank still is.
Even if we remove this from the equation, Gray Fox is infinitely more agile, faster and much more gifted with a blade, which is the primary weapon of the two. Both fighters are close-range warriors whose main tactic is to quickly overwhelm and tear apart their opponent. Throw in the fact that Fox has a cloaking system that kept him completely hidden during the Shadow Moses incident and further include his mental instability and sado-masochism, and you have a winner.


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Okay, but there was a goat!

I wanted to say a few words, before this fight is out.

One: I null my vote, or vote for a tie, whatever. If this wasn't a coin toss situation for me I wouldn't have suggested it.

Two:

Quote (Sabin)

One is aided by the help of a mechanical suit that could destroy cities. The other is quite possibly the epitome of lethal methods.

I can't resist asking:
Which is which?

Three:

Quote (GMH)

Using sliding, wall-jumping, slide-bounce-off-wall-jumping, and more crazy dodging...

Grey Fox has that. And invisibility.

Four:

Quote (sweetdude)

If we remember the ninja battle in MGS1, it was impossible to actually shoot him because he would always escape the gunfire; Mega Man will have the same problem.

Beam Saber. Zero is a melee specialist.

Five:
Leilong, that is one of the most beautiful ways to argument a fight ever

Six:
Jav, I kind of doubt that Zero was designed with Aasimov's Three Rules since

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he was designed by Wily

, and that he just never in the series saw any humans as a threat.

This was nice, thank you


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"We have more, can deliver tuesday." - Del S

Good old CoN

Quote (SilverMaduin @ 29th April 2009 22:50)

Four:

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If we remember the ninja battle in MGS1, it was impossible to actually shoot him because he would always escape the gunfire; Mega Man will have the same problem.

Beam Saber. Zero is a melee specialist.

Haha well I do feel like a bit of a pillock now. It doesn't really matter though, he would still find it difficult to hit him melee or ranged.

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

The results of last week's fight:

CoN Crew: 5 - 5, tie
Facebookies: 3 - 1, Grey Fox
Ready AIM Fire: 11 - 5, Grey Fox
IRL*: 7 - 5, Grey Fox
GoogleFight: +1 Zero (as a billion and a half sites are about Gray Fox, the animal rather than the character, the fighting line had to be amended.)

*- Instead of Team Target, just coinciding and including people I interact with In Real Life instead of just my workplace. Thus the change.

Total: 26 - 17

Your winner: Gray Fox

Cyborg...........................................................ninja

Well let's not dilly dally. So away we go..

In the RED Corner...



Hawkeye

Where You've Seen Him Before: If you've ever picked up an issue of The Avengers comic series.

Clint Barton, aka: Hawkeye, was one the earliest and most frequent members of the Avengers. His fighting skills are unparalleled, where no man or god is his equal with a bow and arrow. In addition, he was extremely gifted in hand to hand combat, culminating in a later transformation into the Avenger known as Ronin.


And in the BLUE Corner...



Hellboy

Where You've Seen Him Before: The movie and comic book series of the same name.

What a conundrum he shaped up to be. A demon from the pits below vowing to fight for the good of man. So he tore off his horns, carried a cross, repented his sins, and beat the snausage out of the true evil doers. His demonic powers are in hand, but so too is a wealth of artillery.

How This Fight Came to Be: Case of mistaken identity. A demon could get mistaken for a bad guy an awful lot. Hawkeye showed up with a bottomless quiver full of arrows and his bow ready to fire.

Setting: Manhatten

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The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

Hellboy

This is...just...well...it ISN'T rather.

The point is, if you're not something humongous or insanely over-powered, you don't take down the red guy.
And Hawkeye isn't.

Hellboy has The Hand, which for this fight will be used mostly as a shield, and incredible resilience for the arrows that do connect. Unless one of the arrows would be a beacon to home in a meteorite or some natural disaster on Hellboy, I don't see him losing this.

So, once again, Hellboy takes the fight.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 2nd May 2009 09:11

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"I fell off the mountain of words at around the 10,000ft mark. Tell my family...they owe me money." -Narratorway

"If you retort against this, so help me God I'll shove any part of your anatomy I can find into some other part. Figuratively, of course." - Josh

"We have more, can deliver tuesday." - Del S

Good old CoN

Seriously guys? Just one reply?

Well then, I myself will cast an unbiased vote for Hawkeye. Hellboy has the girth and demonic powers. But Hawkeye has taken down fiercer enemies. Hellboy is hardly the skilled fighter that the archer is.

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"When I turn the page
The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

Hawkeye.

This is the guy they wanted to replace Steve Rogers as Captain America. He is no slouch and certainly no one to be taken lightly. He single handedly took on and out a skrull invasion fleet and has, on more than one occasion, gone toe to toe with Wolverine, The Hulk, The Taskmaster, Ultron and even Galactus.

Hellboy is a piss-poor fighter and relies heavily on his natural advantages as a demon to win fights. His strategy is generally to take a beating until he can figure out a way to overpower his foe, or hit it in the face until it stops moving. Hawkeye is fast, resourceful and has more than just regular arrows in his quiver.



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Okay, but there was a goat!

I wasn't that interested in this one at first, but in light of a few things DF brought up I'm going with Hawkeye. If he's been up against Wolverine before, surely Hell Boy is about to take a beating.

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Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles

I don't have a stiffy for Marvel the way that so many of my friends do, and I thought that Guillermo Del Toro's Hellboy films were much, much better than just about every Marvel movie ever made (exceptions being Iron Man and maybe Spider-Man 2). My lack of comics knowledge and my abundance of movie knowledge vote for Hellboy.

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As with laszlow, I haven't been up to date with comic books in at least the last decade, and have been pleasantly surprised by the Hellboy films. I may have a slight bias here, given my well-documented distaste for all things Hawkeye (though, actually, it hasn't really been documented here, until now anyways), I'm going to go with Hellboy.