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I guess my overall question is whether or not both Edgar and Sabin wanted to be king of Figaro after their father died?

I had always pictured that they both wanted to be king since they flipped a coin to decide, but clearly I was wrong. From FF Compendium:

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The king of Figaro dies and is succeeded by his son Edgar. Edgar's twin brother Sabin, convinced that the king was poisoned by the Empire, expresses his desire to leave and study martial arts under the teachings of Duncan, a master of fighting. Edgar agrees to a coin toss, which if Sabin wins he would get his wish. Unbeknownst to Sabin, though, Edgar uses a two-headed coin, however, to be assured of Sabin's winning the toss.

Does this make any sense to you? Edgar wants to be king, Sabin wants out - does this call for a coin toss? Why not just both do what you want to do? I haven't gathered the exact quotes, but someone in Figaro Castle says that Sabin was so disgusted with the succession that he left. So which do you all think it was? Did Sabin want to be king, lose the coin toss and leave in disgust, or did he want to leave, win the coin toss and leave happily?

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I guess my overall question is whether or not both Edgar and Sabin wanted to be king of Figaro after their father died?

I had always pictured that they both wanted to be king since they flipped a coin to decide, but clearly I was wrong.  From FF Compendium:

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The king of Figaro dies and is succeeded by his son Edgar. Edgar's twin brother Sabin, convinced that the king was poisoned by the Empire, expresses his desire to leave and study martial arts under the teachings of Duncan, a master of fighting. Edgar agrees to a coin toss, which if Sabin wins he would get his wish. Unbeknownst to Sabin, though, Edgar uses a two-headed coin, however, to be assured of Sabin's winning the toss.

Does this make any sense to you? Edgar wants to be king, Sabin wants out - does this call for a coin toss? Why not just both do what you want to do? I haven't gathered the exact quotes, but someone in Figaro Castle says that Sabin was so disgusted with the succession that he left. So which do you all think it was? Did Sabin want to be king, lose the coin toss and leave in disgust, or did he want to leave, win the coin toss and leave happily?

Well, Sabin indeed hated being forced into a decision of being king. So he made quite clear he hated it and the people around him forcing his hand. Thus Edgar sees and asks his brother for a coin toss, fully knowing his brother wanted out of the horrid idea of being king. Edgar wins by the coin toss (Or loses, can't remember.) and Sabin is set free to have a normal life. He joined the monk temple to helped ease his mind of abandoning his brother.

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I think that the coin toss was agreed to because neither sabin nor edgar actually wanted to be king. So they decided to choose the next king by chance: flipping a coin. However, edgar knew how much his brother detested the idea, and that he had desires elsewhere. therefore, edgar rigged the toss (with the double sided coin) so that it would appear that sabin had won fair and square.

The reason why edgar couldn't just take the throne upfront was because sabin knew that edgar didn't want to be king himself. So sabin would have never allowed edgar to just take it against his will.

Make sense?

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Death Penalty's explanation is always the one I've held. Sabin hates the idea of being king, but he feels as if duty demands it. Edgar, imo doesn't exactly strive to be king, but seeing Sabin's balk at the prospect, helps Sabin out. DP said it best with Sabin would never allow Edgar to just take the burden, because he knows that in reality, Edgar never really wanted to become king (wanted to chase skirts). So, to take the decision out of their hands, Sabin and Edgar agree to the toss, 50/50 chance right? But Edgar decides to really help his brother, because even though he never really thought about being king, it's killing Sabin. Thus he used a double-headed coin, ensuring Edgar's place as the current king of Figaro.

Basically I'm saying exact same thing as DP, just confirming it I guess.

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I think it would just look better if, after Sabin leaves, Edgar says to the people of Figaro that even though his and Sabin's father wanted to split the kingdom into two so they could both rule, the two brothers decided there should be one leader instead of two (for whatever reason). To decide this, they then had the coin toss.

And having something like that sounds kinda legendary, doesn't it?

Behind the scenes, though, Sabin really wanted out (he got really upset when he found out about his dad's death, perhaps he wasn't emotionally ready for the responsibility of ruling, anyway, after that kind of event), so Edgar did the coin toss with a two-headed coin. However, I think Sabin wanted to leave fairly, with honor, and he certainly thought that what Edgar did was fair.



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The way I always saw it was, Sabin clearly didn't want to become king, and Edgar didn't fully want to either. However, he decided if they both were to leave the castle wouldn't be able to function with an empty throne, so he did the coin toss with Sabin and let him win, letting him do what he wants without the castle's throne remaining empty. Later in the game, though, it seems like Sabin almost regrets leaving the castle. This is basically just a theory, and the way I perceive it.

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There's also the quote at during

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Edgar & Sabin's ending segment, where Sabin says "I didn't turn my back on the kingdom. I knew you'd make a better king than me.

Maybe Edgar thought this too. Also, during the flashback death scene, we see how distraught Sabin is, how poorly he's taking his father's death. Edgar's the one keeping it togther. Edgar could've known at this point who'd make a better new king.

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There's also the quote at during

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Edgar & Sabin's ending segment, where Sabin says "I didn't turn my back on the kingdom. I knew you'd make a better king than me.

Maybe Edgar thought this too. Also, during the flashback death scene, we see how distraught Sabin is, how poorly he's taking his father's death. Edgar's the one keeping it togther. Edgar could've known at this point who'd make a better new king.

I like to think the explination of FA is the one, but DP seems to hold the more logical one (FA, yours to me has a bit too much player speculation involved).

I think it was meant to be that they agreed to a coin toss to assure Sabins freedom, since he felt tied to the throne, almost HAVING to rule as a king. Edgar saw this, hence using the 2-sided coin to give Sabin his choice.

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Quote (DrkMagimaster282 @ 7th September 2008 23:24)

I like to think the explination of FA is the one, but DP seems to hold the more logical one (FA, yours to me has a bit too much player speculation involved).

I think it was meant to be that they agreed to a coin toss to assure Sabins freedom, since he felt tied to the throne, almost HAVING to rule as a king.  Edgar saw this, hence using the 2-sided coin to give Sabin his choice.

I dont know, FA has a pretty logical point. Edgar doesnt seem to be as broken up as Sabin. he never shows or says that he doesnt want to be king, its Sabin that wants to leave. i think the fact that he used the 2-sided coin shows that hes ready to be king.

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