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The title says it all, which special character class do you think is the cheapest one of all? This also includes the Non Playable chararacters. To me, I always thought that Orlandu is the cheapest character out there. He has all the sword skills of of the Agrias, Meliadoul, and Gafgarion. This allows him to damage and inflict an adnormal status, damage and destory an equipment, or drain their HPs.

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Is there really any question about this? I would be stunned if anyone said anything other than Orlandu (unless there's someone even cheaper in the PSP version).

I suppose you could almost try to make a case for Beowulf, or even Meliadoul as the game starts to draw to a close and you are fighting very few random battles and instead mainly storyline battles against equipped humans. But, really, no. It still centers around Cid.

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Quote (Rangers51 @ 28th February 2008 00:48)

Is there really any question about this? I would be stunned if anyone said anything other than Orlandu (unless there's someone even cheaper in the PSP version).

I suppose you could almost try to make a case for Beowulf, or even Meliadoul as the game starts to draw to a close and you are fighting very few random battles and instead mainly storyline battles against equipped humans. But, really, no. It still centers around Cid.

Hmm I see your point there, but like I said you can also include the non playable characters. So yeah I if you think about it, Elmdor comes close in tieing with Orlandu since he can use the Samurai's Draw Out that only hits his enemies while at the same time, is faster than normal Samurais can also suck your HPs. Of course what makes him lose to Orlandu is that can prevent his Blood Suck. The other special characters all have a certain weakness. For example, the Engineer/Machinist class' skills can be countered by wearing a Thief Hat or Defense Armlet. As for Orlandu, the only way stop him is hitting him with an instant death attack. The games made him over power so that beginners can have fun using him. Of course, I think his, son Olan is also cool that he can make all his enemies useless

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In order to find your oppenent's weakness, you must first learn their pattern. Once you know their pattern, you can build a counter strategy.

You can include non-playable characters? That sounds... kind of silly. But in any case, Orlandu stomps everyone else in the useable character department, as his skillset and inherent PA, HP, and Speed are basically a recipe for destruction of everything. The cheapest enemy by a long shot are those two assassins, because effective instant-kill attacks are about as cheap as it gets.

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Quote (laszlow @ 28th February 2008 01:37)

You can include non-playable characters? That sounds... kind of silly. But in any case, Orlandu stomps everyone else in the useable character department, as his skillset and inherent PA, HP, and Speed are basically a recipe for destruction of everything. The cheapest enemy by a long shot are those two assassins, because effective instant-kill attacks are about as cheap as it gets.

Does it? I mean they still count as special characters even if you can't control them. I also agree with you on the Assassins, Celia and Lede/Lettie, of course their power is also their weakness. If you are protected from their skills, all they can use is Ultima and attack normally.

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Actually, since Meliadoul's abilities can affect monsters in the PSP version, she can become overpowered similarly to Orlandeau. Orlandeau, of course, is still the king of the overpowered special characters in that game. Celia and Lede, if you can count them, are cheap, as well. Perhaps Olan is a cheap special character because of Galaxy Stop/Celestial Statis, but you only have access to him for a single battle, so he shouldn't count. That attack isn't really known for its accuracy, anyways.

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Actually, if you had it late in the game, Galaxy Stop/Celestial Stasis wouldn't really be that good. It causes Don't Move/Immobilize, Don't Act/Disable, and Stop. However, most enemies you'll encounter have a Thief Hat and Black Costume, which makes them immune to all three of those.

Also, to be honest, Math Skill/Arithmeticks is more overpowered than any special character skillset.

Orlandu, he's more broken than lorwyn in magic.

any character where you can use him to beat the final boss without strategizing, and he is still below level 80. amazingly cheap.

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Playable Human: Orlandu
He has 100% chance of either damage and a status alement, Damage and destroy an item, or gain back HP or MP.

Playable Monster : Worker 8
Immune to magic, insain physical damage and can kill fast.

Character Weapon: Excalibur
Auto Haste will make any character cheap, Nuff said.

Non-playable(Game Shark...) : Lede
With 100% Range Stop, Stone and Charm with 100% Point blank Death with Ninja like stats means she will slauter easily. Cheap Fun... I didn't list Celia because, well, she just doesn't work.

Hidden Cheap Ability: Non-Charge
The fight with Altima would be a whole different story with this ability.

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Those two ninjas/dancers/whatevers,

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Celia and Lede (the ones you fight on the roof of Riovanes Castle).

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The worker 8 thing is i guess true but he does hurt himself when he fights so it balances out....Orlandu is the cheapest!

I might be in the minority here, but I will say Agrias, Reis, or even Rafa (even though shes inconsistent). Basically, females get chantage, therefore they are awesome. Here's how I usually set them up:

Agrias (Holy Swordsman)
Brave: 97, Faith 70

Holy Sword
Draw-Out (or Punch Art)
Blade Grasp
Attack Up
Teleport

Excalibur (Haste)
Aegis Shield (MA Boost for Draw-Out)
Genji Helmet
Genji Armor
Chantage (Auto Raise/Regen ... ie - nearly invincible)


Reis (Wizard)
Brave: 97, Faith: 80

Black Magic
Math Skill (Calculate for total domination)
Blade Grasp
Magic Attack Up
Teleport

Wizard Rod
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Flash Hat
Wizard Robe
Chantage


Rafa (Geomancer)
Brave: 97, Faith: 70

Elemental
Truth
Blade Grasp
Magic Attack Up
Teleport

Rune Blade
Aegis Shield
Flash Hat
Wizard Robe
108 Gems

Although Truth isn't very reliable in terms of accuracy, you have all elements available to use so you can almost always exploit a weakness, and with all the MA Boosting you're giving her, the damage will be rediculous ... one of my favorite setups. You can do the same with Malak, but he will be slightly less powerful due to the way his Un-Truth damage is calculated (you actually want him to have 0 Faith).

As for non-playable characters I would say the Assassins. Stop/Charm/Death/Ultima .... thats just wrong, not to mention their equips and stats.

Reis might make a nice Wizard, but her natural class of Dragoner actually has a much higher MA and is a far better Math Skiller, even with the extra bonuses the Wizard gets from equipment.

And I see where you're coming from when you say that immortality might make them stronger than male characters... but Orlandu's PA (ridiculous), skillset (also ridiculous), and equipment selection (re: all armor, all non-female accessories, and just about anything resembling a sword) make him damn near unkillable. He's like a playable Warmech that can equip the Masamune and Excalibur at the same time.

This post has been edited by laszlow on 2nd May 2008 23:00

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Debatable, actually.

Of the playable characters, it seems at first glance to be Orlandu, but Reis' stats are so freaking high it's obscene. Balthier also comes to mind, with his crazy skillset.

Of NPCs, I'd say Celia and Lede, since they kill me a lot...

Quote (laszlow @ 2nd May 2008 22:59)

And I see where you're coming from when you say that immortality might make them stronger than male characters... but Orlandu's PA (ridiculous), skillset (also ridiculous), and equipment selection (re: all armor, all non-female accessories, and just about anything resembling a sword) make him damn near unkillable.

Agreed, Orlandu is rediculous, but not invincible. If you were to set up a 2 vs 2 battle with Orlandu + anyone on one side and Agrias + anyone on the other side you could make Agrias win evertime. Just equip her teammate with Secret Clothes or Vanish Mantle and hide the whole match. Agrias keeps dying and reviving until she catches up with Orlandu and eventually kills him ... and then his teammate.

Anyways, here's another "cant miss" setup (one of my favorites):

Beowulf (Temple Knight)
Brave: 97 Faith: 70

Magic Sword
Draw Out
Blade Grasp
Magic Attack Up
Teleport

Rune Blade
Aegis Shield
Grand Helmet
Robe of Lords
Genji Gauntlet

Not only is Magic Sword extremely useful (maybe the best skillset in the game), but Draw Out with all the MA boosting will be extremely deadly. All of his attacks are instant and require no charge time; either inflicting negative status or using Draw Out to heavily damage a group of enemies. Also, "Shock," one of my favorite abilities in the entire game, can be manipulated into doing huge damage ... 8 panel attack, unavoidable, instant attack that ruins anyone it hits with Beowulf at low HP. You can kill him off with your own party members when the battle starts, use a Phoenix Down, and let him cause havoc on the battlefield, attacking the enemy from halfway across the map. Excellent.

You could also substitue Rune Blade with Excalibur. Although Draw Out won't be as strong, he will always have Haste, which is amazing.

In a PvP environment like that, why wouldn't you have your second character with Yin-Yang magic just to avoid wuss tactics like that? If Agrias's companion is designed to be a vanish'd potted plant, then Orlandu's partner can just have Yin-Yang magic, un-vanish the sitting duck, and have Orlandu tear him up. Those three turns waiting for Agrias's revival are more than enough time to do that. But the bottom line - even if the Chantage is a broken accessory and very valuable in team matches, Orlandu is still the most powerful, most effective character in the game. Nothing is going to change that, not even specific situations designed to counter that point.

EDIT: and by the way, that is a very nifty Beowulf setup you have there. Draw Out is my favorite generic skillset, and Beowulf's solid MA can likely use that to great effect. I prefer to give it to Ramza or a generic Wizard, though, so I don't have to be hampered by a high Faith stat. Low-Faith teams are the way to go.

This post has been edited by laszlow on 9th May 2008 20:30

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well, if we are talkin about the PSP FFT, then any char can really be "invincable". The Grand Armor adds reraise and regen. As does the Brave Suit. So pretty much whatever class you are, if you have the right equipment, you can be "invincable"

orlandeau equiped with the following:
Durandal ( adds Protect and Shell )
Reverie Shield ( good blocking, AND halves all elemental damage )
Acacia Hat ( HP +120, MP +20 Speed +2 immune confuse, beserk, charm )
Brave Suit ( HP +160 MP +40 Reraise AND regen )
Brigands Gloves ( Speed +1, Haste )

Abilities:
Swordplay ( Sword Saint command )
Darkness ( Dark Knight Command )
Any ( personal preference )
Safeguard ( prevents from equipment from being broken or stolen )
Move +2 ( cause his base move kinda sucks )

Not only is he reraised, but he is also hasted, regened, protected, shelled, only takes half of all elemental damage, decent chance to block ( 40% with the durandal, 50%/25% with Reverie shield ) has good base speed, decent move ability, and has one hell of an arsenal with swordplay and darkness.



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This is actually skirting the issue at hand, but I haven't seen anyone mention this so here goes:

If you were to teach any character Calculator / all Math skills (or just CT 5, if you're itching for it), Wizard / Magic Attack Up, and Priest / Holy, coupled with a party equipped with either Chameleon Robes or Excaliburs, (and any nasty combination of MA bonuses / Faith casting / Wizard job class) you can essentially end a board in seconds. CT5 with Holy hits everybody, you heal, they die. Cheapest tactic ever. I just had to throw that out there.

I suppose you could make use of Reis or Beowulf in this equation, so there you have it.
Reis would kill herself by doing this (she can't equip crap), but feasibly, she would end the fight, and it's all crazy kamikaze fantastic.

This post has been edited by Calculate_Death on 11th May 2008 10:49