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Oddly enough, like the above poster I disagree, but about the opposite game. VIII, I agree, wasn't terribly memorable. It had it's moments, sure, but, in my opinion, they were trying too hard to make up for not having anything catchy by just using more instruments.

While I can see what you mean about IV too, I have to disagree on the grounds that comparatively lackluster overworld music be damned, it had a fair number of toe-tappers that I caught myself humming later.

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Least Interesting Music: IV (Coming up 2nd: VIII)

while i do agree with the decision on iv, i am baffled by viii at the number 2 spot. it is by far my favorite final fantasy soundtrack, with amazing scores like The Legendary Beast, The Extreme, Man With the Machine Gun, The Stage Is Set, Waltz for the Moon, A Sacrifice, and many many more that i don't want to type. it's still the only soundtrack i still listen to regularly, and ive had it for about 6-7 years.

VIII isn't my favourite soundtrack but it's right up there at #3, behind IX at #1 and VI at #2. I agree with this poster that there are some amazing tracks. I say it has a slight edge over VII but not by much.

I don't see a lot in IV's music either to be honest. The battle theme is good but the others are far too repetitive. In comparison to IX and VI, there's not much variety and the mood of each scene is dictated by the same pieces of music rather than anything original. I would've thought FFI was a pretty easy pick for worst soundtrack though, it's like racing nine horses against a hound.

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Now for the bad parts:
Worst Character: Quina (IX) (Comin up 2nd: Zell (VIII))
Most Useless Character: Kimhari (X) (Coming up 2nd: Mog (VI))
Worst Use of Magic: IV (Coming up 2nd: V)
Least Interesting Character Overall: Quina (IX) (Coming up 2nd: Gau (VI))
Least Interesting Male Character: FuYoSa (IV) (Coming up 2nd: Cait Sith (VII))
Least Interesting Female Character: Relm (VI) (Coming up 2nd: Rikku (X))
Least Interesting Story: IV (Coming up 2nd: V)
Least Interesting Gameplay: IV (Coming up 2nd: IX)
Least Interesting Music: IV (Coming up 2nd: VIII)

Of course, these are all my opinions. What do I know? I'd like for you to be objective when reviewing them, but then, I can dream can't I?

I'm a bit curious why you thought Kimhari was the most useless character? And why Mog was labeled 2nd? Kimhari's blue magic was incredibly powerful if used correctly, and he had strong, balanced stats. Mog certainly wasn't incredibly useful, but I could think of more useless characters. Umaro was near-worthless outside of the magi-tower. He'd get my #1 vote. Cait Sith was pretty awful, too. Also, I thought Wakka was more useless than Kimhari.

I'm a bit surprised you said IV had the least interesting story. Most people love FFIV's plotline. I think FFIV had strong gameplay and very useful spells, too, albeit the battle system wasn't nearly as complex as 5 and 6, so I see your point there.

IV did have low points with their music, I can't disagree too much there.

And my last note: I liked Rikku I thought there was less interesting female characters than her.

*Disclaimer: I respect your opinion and am trying to be objective and start discussion

I only found Kimhari useless next to the other characters. I guess it's also because I don't use Blue Magic often, so his niche wasn't really needed in my party. My playing style is largely powerhoused based, meaning large HP, MP, magic, and attack. I tried to differentiate, but I always ended up using Auron, Yuna, and Lulu for almost everything.

I do like Rikku, but thinking about what she added to the story and what she did, I didn't find her that interesting. Of course, upon further reviewing, I think Selphie may win overall.

I don't count Umaro because I never used him, so I don't really know how useful or useless he was. Cait Sith was all right, but I kinda agree, since that third slot (Since you always use Cloud and my 2nd slot was either filled by Aerith (on disc 1) or Tifa (rest of game) was constantly in flux I never found a niche for him and him and Barret were practically never used by me.

I used Wakka quite a bit and even leveled him so that he had the 2nd highest attack stat after Auron. He still fell fifth in terms of use behind Tidus though.

IV's storyline just bored me. I could see they had a good idea with it, but the execution of it was somewhat lacking.
IV also frustrated me because as I said I'm a powerhouse player and I couldn't get the characters to the uber-powerful levels that I could get the others. Well, FuYoSa was both my most useful and useless character, as his spells were powerful, but drained his MP so much that I couldn't stock up on enough ethers and was always far away from a save point in order to replenish it. Plus, he bored me.
I just have a lot of problems with IV and they probably wouldn't bug me as much if I didn't hear people harping about how great it is.

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Least Interesting Music: IV (Coming up 2nd: VIII)

while i do agree with the decision on iv, i am baffled by viii at the number 2 spot. it is by far my favorite final fantasy soundtrack, with amazing scores like The Legendary Beast, The Extreme, Man With the Machine Gun, The Stage Is Set, Waltz for the Moon, A Sacrifice, and many many more that i don't want to type. it's still the only soundtrack i still listen to regularly, and ive had it for about 6-7 years.

I love VIII's soundtrack, but holding it up to the other games, well, outside of the Extreme, Maybe I'm a Lion and Waltz for the Moon, I didn't find the music that interesting.
Besides, every single soundtrack pales next to VI. I think Uematsu created something he couldn't top with VI. The Opera, Kefka's Theme, Dancing Mad, Battle to the Death, Cyan's Theme, The Grand Finale, everything. Instant Win.

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"Though the hours take no notice of what fate might have in store, our love come what may, will never age a day! I'll wait forever more!"- "Aria de Mezzo Carattere" Final Fantasy VI

Opinions change.

My opinion on FF8 changed quite a bit. On other FF's too. Drastically.

Sure, the plot is stupid.

Sure, monsters coming from the moon is stupid.

Sure, GF amnesia is stupid.

Sure, every little thing about Ultimecia's plan and the team's counterplan is stupid. ("She's compressing time! How do we stop her?" - "Easy. We let her compress time.")

Sure, I don't like time limits on a friggin dungeon. And Odin got killed, I mean, c'mon!

But I grew fonder of it. I grew to love Squall (in a MANLY, non-homossexual way), Irvine, Edea, Laguna, Kiros, and Cid more than any other characters in any other FF game (except perhaps Beatrix from 9 and Ghido from 5). I grew to love the design of the enemies, the design of the world, and now, sorry guys, new order.

Therefore, my top ten, from best to worst:

9 - as always, my favorite
8 - time does some weird stuff to me
7 - well, it's awesome
10 - I found the plot great
4 - overall good game
3 - just as fun as 5, but with Garuda, Big Rat, and *bleep*ing *bleep* *bleep* soul punching son of a *bleep*, the Ahriman.
Tactics - does this one count?
5 - it's a fun game, good for a chuckle. TURTLE!
6 - sorry people... it's an awesome game but... lost its magic?
1 - old school
2 - the only FF I gave up in. Ever. And forever.

And would it be a TK post without some plagiarism?

Best Cast: 8
Best Music: 9
Best Gameplay: 10
Best Visuals: 10
Best Overall Character: Cid (7)
Best Villain: Kuja (9), followed by Golbez (4)
Best Hero: Cecil (4)
Best Female Character: Beatrix (9)
Best Male Character (non-main): Kain (4)
Best Boss Battle: Any of Gilgamesh's appearences in 5
Most Difficult Battle: Omega Weapon (8). Honorable mentions to Ahriman (3), Demon Wall (4) and Ozma (9)
Best Cutscene: The Opera (6)
Most Interesting Character Overall: Quina (9)
Most Interesting Male Character: Edgar (6)
Most Interesting Female Character: Freya (9)
Best Overall Story: 10

Worst Character: Selphie
Most Useless Character: No one. Maybe Edward (4), if he wasn't so SPOONY.
Worst Use of Magic: 8
Least Interesting Character Overall: Quistis (8), folowed by Bartz (5)
Least Interesting Male Character: Firion (2)
Least Interesting Female Character: Tifa (7), followed by Aeris (7)
Least Interesting Story: 3
Least Interesting Gameplay: 2, followed by 4.
Least Interesting Music: 4

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Based off the ones I played (IV - X), I rank them in this order (From best to meh):

VI
VIII
IX
X
V
VII
IV

And now I prepare for comments on how I should die for daring to place VIII and X above the Most Holy VII, but here's why I think each one deserves it's place.

VI - Where to begin? Of all the games, this one had the best story, the best characters, the best music, and probably even the best gameplay. It was the first one I ever played and I just fell in love with it.

VIII - Now why would I favor this seeming "abomination" so high on my list? Simply because, drawing magic aside, it gave me the most potential for powerful characters. Granted yes drawing was a pain in the ass, but once I could get my characters up to 9999 health and dealing 5000 damage per turn, all was forgiven.
But I think the main reason I favor VIII is simply because I could relate to the characters a lot more. VI and VII win the rewards for best cast, but as far as individual characters go, VIII had two of my favorites: Squall and Rinoa. What can I say? I saw a lot of myself within Squall, especially later on in the game and grew to like him more and more. And Rinoa, well, for all her faults I just liked the girl. Granted this is just my opinion, but I found VIII to be an excellent game. Most complaints I had against it were gone by the time I got halfway through the second disc. It still doesn't hold up against VI, but what could, but I still find it enjoyable.

IX - IX was a great game, beginning to end. While I had issues with VIII during the first disc and a half, I had no complaints against IX throughout it's entirity. So why's it below VIII? I don't really know. I just liked VIII slightly better is all. Like just a half a step better. I don't know what could have been added to IX to bump it over VIII for me, nor do I know what could have been taken away from VIII, but I just find IX slightly, slightly, slightly, less than VIII.

X - Yeah, this one I have a few issues with. The graphics are great, and I love the battle system, but really it feels a bit lacking. The voice acting, good at times, sometimes not so much, may have acted as a slight detriment to the game, but I don't really know. I guess it could be that with VIII and IX, I saw a little of myself within Squall and Zidane, but with X, I couldn't really relate to Tidus. It's not that I don't like the character, it's just that he doesn't really interest me like Squall or Zidane.

V - This one was just fun I guess. That's really the only reason it has it's position above VII. The job system was a great addition, as for the other games I do enjoy creating powerhouse characters. V was just fun gameplay wise. The story was mildly interesting and the characters were somewhat okay, but not particulary memorable, but it was just a pretty fun game.

VII - Ahh, here we go. Why did I place VII so far down the list? Did I think it was a bad game? Did I hate the characters? Did I just not understand it? The answer to all of those is...no. I really, really enjoyed playing VII. I think what puts it so far down on my list is just simple hype backlash. I had heard over and over and over again that "VII is the greatest game of all time" and then decided to give it a try. I found it fun to play, but it didn't exactly cure the cancer that I might have had. I guess the only reason I rank it so low is simply because it didn't hold up to my opinion of "greatest game ever." On a similar note, this could be why I liked VIII so much. I had heard over and over again that VIII sucks, so I gave it a try to see for myself. I ended up loving the game.

IV - I don't know why, but I really didn't enjoy this game. I found my characters too weak to do anything and outside of Cecil at times, I found most of them quite boring. The storyline kind of bored me and I just really didn't like it. I also got frustrated at a part that had me stuck for hours before I checked out how to complete it online. I thought to myself "How could anyone figure this out on their own?" Really, IV is currently the weaskest entry that I've played. While it may have introduced some of the concepts that later games would use, I found that V and VI put them to much better use.

I haven't played I, II, III, or XI (although XI I refuse to touch on the principle that I just don't like MMORPGs), but I have given XII a try. The results so far...not very promising. I loved the seperate battle screen with the ability to just give the characters orders on what do next. With XII, the whole linking attacks together annoyed me. I did like the fact that enemies are able to be seen on the field, but really, this system was hard to figure out.
Since I've only played about an hour of XII so far, it's too early for me to objectively judge, but it don't look like it'll be up there with my favorites.

Of course, I liked all of them in different ways. These would be the rewards I'd give out:
Best Cast: VI (Honorable mention: VII)
Best Music: VI (Honrable mention: IX)
Best Gameplay: V (Honorable mention: X)
Best Visuals: IX (Honorable mention: VIII)
Best Overall Character: Kefka (VI) (Honorable mention: Squall (VIII))
Best Villian: Kefka (VI) (Honorable mention: Sephrioth (VII))
Best Hero: Squall (VIII) (Honorable mention: Zidane (IX))
Best Female Character: Aerith (VII) (Honorable mention: Yuna (X))
Best Male Character (non-main): Irvine (VIII) (Honorable mention: Cid (VII))
Best Boss Battle: Ultimecia (VIII) (Honorable Mention: Necron (IX))
Most Difficult Battle: Evrae (X) (Honorable mention: Demon Wall (VII))
Best Cutscene: The Opera (VI) (Honorable mention: Anything from VII)
Most Interesting Character Overall: Zidane (IX) (Honorable mention: Aerith (VII))
Most Interesting Male Character: Edgar (VI) (Honorable mention: Vivi (IX))
Most Interesting Female Character: Celes (VI) (Honorable mention: Tifa (VII))
Best Overall Story: VI (Honorable mention: X)

Now for the bad parts:
Worst Character: Quina (IX) (Comin up 2nd: Zell (VIII))
Most Useless Character: Kimhari (X) (Coming up 2nd: Mog (VI))
Worst Use of Magic: IV (Coming up 2nd: V)
Least Interesting Character Overall: Quina (IX) (Coming up 2nd: Gau (VI))
Least Interesting Male Character: FuYoSa (IV) (Coming up 2nd: Cait Sith (VII))
Least Interesting Female Character: Relm (VI) (Coming up 2nd: Rikku (X))
Least Interesting Story: IV (Coming up 2nd: V)
Least Interesting Gameplay: IV (Coming up 2nd: IX)
Least Interesting Music: IV (Coming up 2nd: VIII)

Of course, these are all my opinions. What do I know? I'd like for you to be objective when reviewing them, but then, I can dream can't I?

You my friend are insane if you say the music sucks in ff4

That game has great music.


The lunar whale(ff4)
King giot(ff4)
Battle with the four(ff4)
Final boss theme(ff4)
tower of babel(ff4)
tororian beuty(ff4) Absolutely beutifull harp song
Into the darkness(ff4)
tough battle(ff4)

underworld theme(ff4)


FF4 has more themes that are good than ff7 in my opinion.

Only game closer is ff6 and ff9

I think also ff8 has some very good tunes but there are a few i really really like as much as ff4-ff6 or ff9.

FF4 character developement being shit? your insane

What do you call tellah dying and finding out that all that desire for veangance that he found out solved nothing?

What about cecil becoming a paladin? Cecil in becoming a paladin is a simbolic of him facing his past and becoming a better person.

Rydia matures and learns to become less of a whiner.

Kain learns that its not worth losing his long term friendship over rosa who doesn't want him anyways.

The story maybe simple but its the characters that makes this game great.

FF8 wasn't that good,it was a bit overrated actually.

I can't even get into ff8,and i know cause i tried.

Maybe its because i was disappointed in ff7 and after ff7 ff8 kind of gave it a bad name and to start off it bored me to death with running around and getting a fight every 2 steps.

And i agree on disliking little relm.

I really never liked having her in my group and never liked her much.

Although she maybe a kid,she isn't a stereotype little bitch that you might encounter in some games or a tomboy.

I disagree with gau.

Gau is while limited in abilities has a great backstory and so does cyan.
Gau is pretty good actually with straycat as he hits for 10k dmg with cat scratch.The only downside,is that at endgame it's random and not too impressive.
Mog has very little backstory,that is true but he is not totally useless.
His abilities have some use during the floating island.

Umaro is probably the least one i find usefull due to his rage being uncontrollable,it has only 1 benefit,in the tower of fanatics he will auto attack and kill enemies.In tower of fanatics since you cannot use fight command,this is very nice.

Cyan:For as much as i love the sidestory,his ability really needs improvement.
His bushido techniques are awfull and take forever to use.

Besides all that,there is almost nothing to complain about ff6 as the characters are very well fleshed out and the story is really great.

Please give ff4 another try,its a cult classic that caught many people's hearts.
I think you were a bit too harsh on ff4 and it doesn't deserve to be as the worse.

I don't even think its really linear at all either

And FFV may not have a impressive story,but it has really good gameplay.

FFT has very good gameplay as well,i admit i like fft's gameplay.

Give ff5 a go.

Quina as the most interesting?

I found quina the most err irritating character.


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Quina as the most interesting?

I found quina the most err irritating character.

I loved the little bastard. First of all, it's one of the kind. Second, I found him/her to be a good comic relief. Third, I found her interesting. Her Trance sucked, though.

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FF8 wasn't that good,it was a bit overrated actually.

You say the most hated game of the series is overrated? I say it's underrated.


Anyway, my friend, opinions.

This post has been edited by Toransu Kuja on 25th January 2010 20:31

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Snooping as usual, I see?

All of what i said is opinion of course,so no need to be offended.

Just checking

i also find it interesting how there is so much LOVE/HATE for ff8.

Seems like there is alot of mixed feelings.


This is a good thing,at least there is positive feedback for this game.

It seems as if ffxii gets more negative reaction from ff fans than positive.

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 25th January 2010 22:23

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i also find it interesting how there is so much LOVE/HATE for ff8.

Seems like there is alot of mixed feelings.

I have a theory about this. Since I'm stupid, it sucks.

FF7 hits the stores in western countries. People like it. Heck, people love it. People fall in love with Cloud, Aeris, Tifa, the whole gang. FF8 hits the stores. People go and buy it. They play it. It's different.

No Cloud, no Sephiroth. No materia system. No MP. No Gold Saucer, no chocobo breeding, nothing. Not even equipment as they knew it. It's not a sequel, it's a totally different game. A game with a plot they grew to hate, even though there's way worse (not sayin' it's good either).

Some liked this new setup. Some liked Squall's cool looks, Laguna's cheerfulness, Irvine's attempts to be womanizing. Some didn't, sometimes because they weren't Cloud, Vincent, or Cid. I personally think that Square tried too hard to make a game that felt and looked awesome and epic.

The thing is, FF7 fanboys thought 8 would be a direct sequel, with more one-on-one Cloud'n'Sephy action. It wasn't. They pressed the "hate" button.

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i also find it interesting how there is so much LOVE/HATE for ff8.

Seems like there is alot of mixed feelings.

I have a theory about this. Since I'm stupid, it sucks.

FF7 hits the stores in western countries. People like it. Heck, people love it. People fall in love with Cloud, Aeris, Tifa, the whole gang. FF8 hits the stores. People go and buy it. They play it. It's different.

No Cloud, no Sephiroth. No materia system. No MP. No Gold Saucer, no chocobo breeding, nothing. Not even equipment as they knew it. It's not a sequel, it's a totally different game. A game with a plot they grew to hate, even though there's way worse (not sayin' it's good either).

Some liked this new setup. Some liked Squall's cool looks, Laguna's cheerfulness, Irvine's attempts to be womanizing. Some didn't, sometimes because they weren't Cloud, Vincent, or Cid. I personally think that Square tried too hard to make a game that felt and looked awesome and epic.

The thing is, FF7 fanboys thought 8 would be a direct sequel, with more one-on-one Cloud'n'Sephy action. It wasn't. They pressed the "hate" button.

That's actually very viable, depending on the exposure to the series. Most people started Playing Final Fantasy with VII, it opened a flood gate of western fans. But on the flip side of the coin, Square is also guilty of trying too hard to repeat the lightning in a bottle that was VII.

The more people wish for something to be good, the worse it usually is. No one ever really gave this game (VIII) a chance to stand on it's own two feet. They were too busy trying to find the Cameo's or figure out if Jenova was going to make an appearance. The point is, VIII owes it success and failures to VII.

It will stay that way until people learn to see it for what it is, a stand alone game with various innovations, some of which worked ( the card game, the GF's, boosting) and some of which didn't (lack of MP, the junction system, the sloppy and forced love triangle). This game is enjoyable when you just play it and take it for what it is. Just like every other Final Fantasy, except maybe X and X-2. (those were just BAD.)

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All of what i said is opinion of course,so no need to be offended.

Just checking

i also find it interesting how there is so much LOVE/HATE for ff8.

Seems like there is alot of mixed feelings.


This is a good thing,at least there is positive feedback for this game.

It seems as if ffxii gets more negative reaction from ff fans than positive.

firstly, people can be very offended by opinions. if someone said that they think a certain religous group or ethnic group arent humans, im sure that some people would be offended. that being said, ive come to not be offended by anything you say, else i would be fighting a lost cause.

anyway, back on topic, there are mixed feelings with anything. and i fully mean anything. i like some games that others dont, while i dislike games that people wont shut up about, such as COD. ff viii's fanbase is incredibly devoted to it, myself included, while those who dont enjoy it make that very apparent. there are those who hate ff vii, those who herald it as the best game of all time, its all a matter of opinion.

ff xii is no different. fans of it love it as much as it is hated by those who dont. ff xii was just different, like ff viii. honestly, i loved ff xii, much like every other final fantasy, although i can agree with nytecrawla that ff x and x-2 were just bad. story, characters, and voice acting were utter rubbish in ff x, and i dont even want to talk about ff x-2.

square should take a page out of naughty dog's book and hire a decent writing team, as well as good voice actors, because as much as i like ff xii, its voice acting and writing pales in comparison to Uncharted 2

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Aujourdhui a commence avec toi.

They are all really good, but if I had to pick, it would be XI.

Nothing is good about that. Maybe the music is great ^^


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to it, myself included, while those who dont enjoy it make that very apparent. there are those who hate ff vii, those who herald it as the best game of all time, its all a matter of opinion.

ff xii is no different. fans of it love it as much as it is hated by those who dont. ff xii was just different, like ff viii. honestly, i loved ff xii, much like every other final fantasy, although i can agree with nytecrawla that ff x and x-2 were just bad. story, characters, and voice acting were utter rubbish in ff x, and i dont even want to talk about ff x-2.

square should take a page out of naughty dog's book and hire a decent writing team, as well as good voice actors, because as much as i like ff xii, its voice acting and writing pales in comparison to Uncharted 2

I found the junction system to be interesting in ff8.

It's just that it seemed a bit overcomplicated.

I was irritated by the fact that there wasn't too much going on till the end of the disk and the fact that i had to run so much from fights cause every 2 steps was a fight.

on the plus side,i found the intro to be interesting and i actually can relate with squall not wanting to be touched and not the type who likes talking about his feelings sometimes.


Aside from that,i would have liked the game to be less linear.

That is one thing that bothered me in FFX.


Sometimes ff8 can be overrated sometimes underrated.

Seems like sometimes people give it more praise than it deserves and other times bash it along with the good stuff it has.



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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

There's only one thing I really hated about FF8: the point of no return.

Aside from that, I hope to try FF12 soon so I can talk about it. And maybe X-2 too.

And I loved X. Why all the hate? It was a surprising good game.

And XI won't run in my computer.

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I love X!

XII is good, its just not like other FF titles. It has a different battle system. Personally, I love the game. It brought back the old Final Fantasy-ness.

That's why I love it; true to the FF title originality.

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I love X!

XII is good, its just not like other FF titles. It has a different battle system. Personally, I love the game. It brought back the old Final Fantasy-ness.

That's why I love it; true to the FF title originality.

Interesting.

I never played XII for ps2.

Although i am not sure anymore.

i find it interesting when people talk a little about XII.

Is it linear?

Do the characters look like muppets?

I'm curious since i never seen the ps2 version.



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It's not linear in the least. There are ways of getting to some very late dungeons fairly early in the game if you're clever enough. Half the characters look stupid and the other half are cool, generally speaking. I try not to let the bad half spoil my enjoyment.

Which version did you see then if not the PS2?

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

He probably saw the DS game.

No, XII looks fantastic. The story is a decent story, I loved it. It really brought back the old form of FF games and to me, the true form of FF games.

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It's not linear in the least. There are ways of getting to some very late dungeons fairly early in the game if you're clever enough. Half the characters look stupid and the other half are cool, generally speaking. I try not to let the bad half spoil my enjoyment.

Which version did you see then if not the PS2?

To both you and magitek elite:

Yes!! it was the ds version.

I believe it was called:FFXII revenant wings

The characters look like muppets,i did not like vaan and the girl or i can't remember his name but you meet him early on with vaan.


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It's not linear in the least. There are ways of getting to some very late dungeons fairly early in the game if you're clever enough. Half the characters look stupid and the other half are cool, generally speaking. I try not to let the bad half spoil my enjoyment.

Which version did you see then if not the PS2?

To both you and magitek elite:

Yes!! it was the ds version.

I believe it was called:FFXII revenant wings

The characters look like muppets,i did not like vaan and the girl or i can't remember his name but you meet him early on with vaan.

dont judge ff xii solely on the escapades of vaan, penelo, and kytes. revenant wings was pretty awful, while ff xii was a fantastic game.

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Aujourdhui a commence avec toi.

I hear good and bad things about the DS game.

But I would personally recommend FFXII the PS2 version. It is great.

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Bringing back what crashed. A FFVI community!

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I hear good and bad things about the DS game.

But I would personally recommend FFXII the PS2 version. It is great.

The only bad thing,is trying to find a place that still rents games.

Because of the amount of piracy going around,it is very difficult.


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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

There's like four in my town, but they don't rent final fantasy because the prevailing attitude is that the quality of a game is directly proportional to the amount of gore contained therein

And I'm about to get FFXII so I'll have firsthand experience about how bad or good it is. Although without random battles it is probably going to be my favourite game ever!

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Worst FF? Hmmm...

I guess II was the one I enjoyed the least. XII was the one that felt least like a Final Fantasy. VIII is the one I've played the least, though I enjoyed it when I did play it...

Tis subjective though, hm?

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Oooh the hardest choice to make in any discussion topic...the worst Final Fantasy. Well I just have to dive into this one head first so here goes.

~I think overall the worst Final Fantasy was totally FF2 (NES). The overall system for gaining stats and the weapon/magic is just so flawed. A great idea really, just way too far ahead of its time. Plus let's face it: you could smash that system so horridly, blitz to Mysidia, get some equipment useable for 70 percent of the game, and go from there. And don't get me started on punching/casting on yourself, or even just fake casting. XD

~I think the weakest story for me goes to FF8 and FF12. FF8 just had way too many convenient things pop up to make the game just...too weird for me. (What do you mean you don't all remember each other cuz of GFs!?). XD Or NORG, or TIME COMPRESSION~. Seriously that last part made that game so weak, I LOVE exploring stuff on the last disc, but that got ruined cuz of time compression. Bleh! As for FF12, well...the game in general just bored me. I'll admit I over-grinded at the start (level 43 by the time I advanced the main story and got Penelo)...but yeah, just the story snippets were too vaguely placed to remember what I was doing. And the ending I thought was ridiculously weak. Oh well!

~This one may get a lil heat going, but I honestly did NOT like FF7. Don't get me wrong, ground breaking blah blah...but the rushed feel to just put out the game kills it for me. The lack of some dungeons and such that should have been in it was a flaw to me. And honestly a lot of these errors in translation as well as just the fact that they had to change over midway from Nintendo to Sony hurt. Seriously, 5 Tonics?! There aren't any freakin' tonics in this game! I just think they rushed it way too much and didn't put enough heart and soul into it...and instead gave us some overpowered monsters to fight. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed playing it out, smashing the materia system, getting 3 master materias or more (I think I had 6 Magic, and 8 command) but still...could have done better Square.

Alright, that's my two cents. For those curious, my top Final Fantasy games are 6, then 9, then 1...totally old school.

This post has been edited by Sasquatch on 11th March 2010 01:14

Have matured a little bit so opinions have changed and is going to copy the ideas of Tim Fortune and TK's posts. Hope you don't mind..

Top 10 Final Fantasies in order

VI It used to be IX but now have changed to VI and well VI once upon a time used to be at the bottom of the list, but have grown in love with the deep character development and non- linear storyline. FF13 should of been a CGI version of this game, really !

VII It used to be at the top of the list but VI has taken it over. VII has a complexed storyline and a pretty awesome main character though to be truthful VI's storyline just makes more sense. VII's main downfall from it getting the top spot these days is that VII is really junked up with terrible plot- holes VI is older and it has a deeper storyline than VII and it's more fresh.

VIII is going to be forum bashed for saying this but have grown fond of VIII ! is weak for the romantic storylines and the game holds beautiful romance story's between Laguna and Raine, Squall and Rinoa.

IV Final Fantasy IV has great orchestrated music and a detailed storyline.

V like this game because like the battle system and the characters Bartz and Fairs but that's really it the game holds nothing else more original in it's storyline. Though it is a excellent comedy game and don't hate it ( in fact would support it against FF V bashers so the game does have much love )


II Surprised ? Yes, love Final Fantasy II just find the idea of a battle system of hitting yourself and casting magic on yourself hilarious and like the character Maria she seems like the less damsel in distress type, which is a bonus.


IX This game used to be the top fave but it just feels too 'anime' now. Though is still fond of the game's characters and music so it hasn't dropped too heavily.

III Final Fantasy III is behind II because is feeling like the storyline is nothing special but the battle system is what is making it strong, it would be above II if felt like the storyline was more complexed and upgraded from FFII.


XII Okay I do like XII but then again there is alot of things to dislike. Is the type of person who dislikes change and can't stand the new battle system and the Shakespearean talk gets very annoying to listen to after a while, but then on the other hand the game holds very thrilling boss battles and long and awarding dungeons top travel through. I like it, but it can annoy me alot in bits.

X Yeah X is my less favourite. Horrible voice acting very linear storyline and goofy very embarrassing characters, Wakka and Tidus make me want to turn the volume of the television down so can hide the red-face. The romance within the game isn't quite like VIII's, it's rather cheesy and cringe worthy.

Best cast : 6
Best Music : 4
Best Gameplay : 6
Best Visuals : 12
Best Overall Character : Celes Chere (6)
Best Villain : Kuja (9) recommend Sephiroth (7)
Best Hero : Cecil (4)
Best female character: Celes Chere (6)
Best male character (non-main ) Vivi (9)
Best boss battle : Atomos (5)
Most difficult boss battle : Ultimeca's final forms (8)
Best cutscence : Yuna's dance (10)
most interesting character overall : Gau (6)
most interesting male character: Guy (2)
most interesting female characters : fairs (5)
best overall story (6)

Worst character : Cid (8) what ARE you doing ?!?
most useless character: Kimahri (10)
worst use of magic ( 1 ?)
least interesting character overall : Fuyosa (4)
least interesting male character : Kimahri (10)
least interesting female character : Ashe (12)
least interesting story : (3)
least interesting gameplay : ( 8)
least interesting music : (10)

This post has been edited by ZidaneTribal on 27th March 2010 12:30

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Currently playing Chrono Trigger !!
Currently looking forward to Don't Know.

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VIII is going to be forum bashed for saying this but have grown fond of VIII ! is weak for the romantic storylines and the game holds beautiful romance story's between Laguna and Raine, Squall and Rinoa.

Actually I know exactly what you mean. I quite like the love story between Rinoa and Squall. At first it's a bit stupid, like the "look into my eyes" bit and the dancing and all that, but when he carries her to Esther I was taken in by it completely. Another point is the FF symbol on the cover showing Squall and Rinoa. That's definitely the best title picture in my view, closely followed by the judge from the FFXII one.

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IX This game used to be the top fave but it just feels too 'anime' now. Though is still fond of the game's characters and music so it hasn't dropped too heavily.

Don't see this one I'm afraid. I see the game as a lot more like a play or even a musical. FFVI or VII is probably most like an anime. Care to elaborate a bit here?

I'd also like to add to the many many reasons why FFX is the worse FF. I've never had a disc that's so difficult to get to work. I've had problems since day one when it was in pristine condition. In it's current state my brothers* can't get past Guadosalam because it won't load a cutscene. Now Tidus walks out the screen past Wakka, then he comes back and walks out the screen again, and again, and again. Because it's funny I believe it make the whole game better. Other moments of disc issues are when a fight starts, and then it doesn't end. The music plays but there's no menu or activity. The same thing happens sometimes when summoning. I've got a worn, scratched, chipped FFVII disc that's older than said brothers by about 3 years and it still works perfectly. I think it's to do with the development stages. It's like the PS2 can't handle the game in parts, if the conditions mean that too much is going on, like a cut-scene that comes after loading a huge dialogue, or a battle where the characters have to load a great deal of late-game abilities to their menus and so on. This gets horribly bad when the disc begins to wear.

*Sorry, just had a really good image of me in a faraway temple trying to get FFX to work with all the other disciples of our brotherhood.

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Me on the Starcraft.

Up until XIII came out, I probably would've went with X. Not that I hate it by any means, it's more than fun enough, just not the most enjoyable FF for me at all in any way. It lacks a lot of what I like in FF and also didn't really offer anything groundbreaking aside from looking pretty, then XII came along and owned it, so, too bad for it.

But, I've been playing XIII recently, having rented it, and thus nulled my vote since it is, by far, THE worst FF I have ever had the displeasure of playing. It's not on the list, but my dislike for it have FF in the title trumps everything on the poll!

I just feel so terribly uninvolved in a way FF has never made me feel - they really should've just made it a damned movie, for goodness sakes!

At any rate, I won't rant too much about it here as a lot has been said already in FF XIII threads and I pretty much agree with what everyone has to not like about it. Woo for one big straight line! It's almost like Dungeon Siege but with more movie and less playtime!

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Games on the Go
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy: Four Warriors of Light
Baldur's Gate

Too much to play, so little time!

Greg

I voted X, but i did it thinking on x-2. The wors final fantasy for me except for x-2, wich i usually don't even remember as existing, was 12.
That game had some espetacular maps, a complex and lifefull world (shame on you xiii!), but it lacked what i´m usually looking for on a rpg, an well told story and character development. Vaan was just a model full of textures, nothing there, his best quote was: "i'm Basch from Rosenburg!"... and i'm ashamed to say that i really like VIII...


note: I only played and finished FF IV and VI to XII, currently playing XIII, so I can´t say much about the older games, or FF V.

This post has been edited by Kirchewasser on 28th March 2010 01:10

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Don't see this one I'm afraid. I see the game as a lot more like a play or even a musical. FFVI or VII is probably most like an anime. Care to elaborate a bit here?

Final Fantasy IX has brothers coming from a different planet and Kuja's trance it seems rather familiar to Goku from Dragon ball z powering up, and the different character designs from the human designs. IX just has this anime feeling, while see VII as a action/drama and maybe even horror story and VI like a fantasy novel.

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Currently playing Chrono Trigger !!
Currently looking forward to Don't Know.