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ok so ive played this game through a few times and i love it. my favorite characters are probably Izlude and Beowulf. but anyway one thing i never really understood is what is the deal with st ajora? ive read the germonik scriptures and throughout the entire game its all just hearsay, some people saying hes evil and some saying he is the 'son of god'. if anyone can shed some light on this for me it would be greatly appreciated

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This is one of most confusing plotlines in the game, due to a combination of Ramza' slow reading and the game's poor localization.

Basically, according to legend:

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Ajora became a renown prophet after foreseeing that a town well was poisoned, because of this the Empire of Yudora began to fear him. Ajora's disciple Germonik turned him in for money, and Ajora was executed at the Golgorand Execution Site (this is where the biblical allusion comes from). After his death a tidal wave struck the Fara Church, which was taken to be a supernatural occurence, and Ajora's followers built the Glabados Church in his name. Ajora also was said to hold the 12 Zodiac Stones and with 12 followers defeated a demon that was summoned by Limberry.

But, in reality:

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Ajora was really a spy, who sold information to many countries. The Yudora Empire wasn't happy about this and sent their spy, Germonik after him. However, Germonik found out that Ajora was in league with the Lucavi demons, and that Ajora was the host for the Lucavi leader, Altima. Germonik took some of the Zodiac Stones and informed the Yudora Empire about Ajora, and then they executed him.

So basically Ajora was the first host of the Lucavi leader, Altima.

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thats nuts, ive beat it a few times and still havnt been able to figure out all that on my own, i knew about germonik and the exectution at gologrand and they were spies, but the scriptures never said he was a spy for lucavi, just that he was a spy. im playing it over again right now and im going to try and see where his info is exactly. so then does that mean that the natural disaster that submerged moround(sp?) was lucavi and not in fact god?

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"Change the world? no one can do that, Im not that naive!"

If you know anything about the bible, there are a lot of subtle, and a few unsubtle references to the Christian religion in the storyline, and especially in the Germonik Scriptures. Try cross-referencing them, it may help you understand the game a little better.

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Yeah, I've frequently caught myself expecting the Scriptures to talk about how St. Ajora had a carpenter for a father.

The storyline is very confusing because there are MANY names and lots of material to read. It can take a while to sort out everything there is. The poor localization in some places can make it even harder to understand what's going on.

Personally, I'm still a little puzzled by what happened in the very final scene after the credits. That last line sounds like much of its meaning was lost in the translation.

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Izlude is a great character, Brother of Ramza's Team Meliadoul, and is a fn' Blade Knight, a "Normal" Knight with Jump powers. He can hit you from anywhere and his fight was very difficult the first time i played the game. You can defeat him having Ramza, Agrias, Mustadio, or if you play without special characters with a Monk, a Chemist with a gun and a Archer or a Strong Summoner.

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yeah this time through im going to try and read all the passages for all the characters ad pay extra attention to the story line, i was always impressed by it but never really understood the underlying meanings of it, i will try and reference the game to the bible, dont know much about it but i should be able to make due.
yeah the only time i ever had trouble with this game is when i first got it and didnt know you could change jobs or get skills, got all the way to the exectution site though.

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Quote (Silverlance @ 30th July 2007 23:42)

Personally, I'm still a little puzzled by what happened in the very final scene after the credits. That last line sounds like much of its meaning was lost in the translation.

I've always maintained the position that Ramza and Alma, and possibly others from the final battle, lived.

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I'm pretty positive that they did, since

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You see Ramza and Alma ride off together on Chocobo's. My question is, even though Delita is King, who else is serving him? Is it Olan perhaps?

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I meant

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the last line Delita delivers after stabbing Ovelia. IIRC he says something very fragmented-sounding, like the real stuff got completely lost in the translation.

It's kind of obvious what happens to Ramza at the end, given that the ending FMV pretty much gives it away.



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"Judge not a man by his thoughts and words, but by
the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

has anyone else ever thought that azalam, the teller of the story from when you put your name in, is actually ramza? i mean he looks somewhat similar in an older kind of way, and he knows ramza's entire story. plus ramza is know for changing his name in the past. (CH 2)

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Well, if I'm not too much mistaken, Alazlam's retelling of the story (FFT) takes place 400 years after the game; 400 years later, Alazlam Durai conjurs up all the records of the Lion War and retells them in his words.

Highly unlikely that Ramza would survive 4 centuries, and that's if I have my facts straight as it has been a while since I last played the game. If I am wrong, please someone tell me...

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You're correct about the 400 years thing, so no I don't think it can be Ramza.

I can't remember what the last line of the ending was exactly, but I think you might be right, and it might be worth some research into the Japanese version of it to see what the full line was actually meant to be.

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Your right Lune Knight, It does kinda look like Ramza in a older form. But what FaboulousFreebird already said, its 4 centuries after it and hes only telling the story.

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Your right Lune Knight, It does kinda look like Ramza in a older form. But what FaboulousFreebird already said, its 4 centuries after it and hes only telling the story.

It's not entirely unreasonable there's some sort of family connection. This would offer a reason for digging into the past so thoroughly, and perhaps introduce subtle bias into the portrayal of Ramza's heroism.

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well then that ruins that idea, i dont recall him saying it was 400 years in the past, but ill just start a new game and see for myself.
so upon further inspection of the germonik i now understand ajora a LOT better. not completely because im sure there is some more hidden details about him.

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"Change the world? no one can do that, Im not that naive!"

IIRC the game says he's er... the son of some guy whose name I forgot. Black guy with a yellow cape/vest that uses Galaxy Stop in a fight. I may be confusing two characters though. OLAN! Yeah. That's the one. His name IS Olan Durai after all, and he gets

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burned at the stake by the church for heresy at the end of the game.

The ending FMV goes on to explain that many years later Ramza's tale resurfaces and this guy decides to do the research to figure out what the true story was; that Ramza was a hero who went against a corrupt church and not just a heretic who vanished after the war.

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"Judge not a man by his thoughts and words, but by
the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

ok and if he is the son of olan then that means that there is no way that it is 400 years in the future when he tells the story

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"Change the world? no one can do that, Im not that naive!"

I don't think it actually says it's his son. You can be a descendant without being a son.

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Olan is the son-in-law of Orlandu, and it never says whether or not Olan and Orlandus daughter had a kid or not... He may be a direct descendant.

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where does the information that azalam is a descendant of olan come from? i know that he speaks of the durai report, which was most likely written by olan. but to the best of my knowlege he never actually states that he is a descendant of durai

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"Change the world? no one can do that, Im not that naive!"

As part of the ending, he "signs his name" as "Alazlam Durai." If you're looking for a notarized family tree, though, I can't help you.

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This may be a little unrelated to the topic,

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but I'd always assumed that Delita had died in the final scene of the game. I mean, Ovelia stabbed him too- and when Alazlam narrates the FMV scene before the credits, he mentions that Olan was going to present the Durai Report to Prince Clemence, which could imply that Delita died and another ascended the throne. But then again, Delita could very well have lived, and Clemence could be his son...bah, I haven't played FFT in quite a while, I don't remember that well.

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This post has been edited by karasuman on 24th November 2007 07:02

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ok so upon the replay of the psp version i have found out a lot more of st ajora, one thing that i find strange though is the fact that through the whole game people call st ajora a man, but at the end its a girl? will the sex of st ajora ever be truly known. and just for an addition delita is so gangster, its cool that you get to play with him as a holy knight for a little bit

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