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It is a well known fact that the world is using the worlds resources at a deady rate. Soon the world will be out of trees and crude oil, but what then, what will people do. I reasently did a reasearch paper in which I discovered that the world at the current pace will run dry of oil in 40 years. It is not in like 200 years. It is in most peoples life time! I wonder what will happen when America is getting low? Already we are getting ready by taking Iraq (not bashing America topic or war topic, just an example). World war is a plausible out come over oil. All ways to get around this are too expensive or not expansive enough to solve the problem. Sorry about my rant, what does the rest of the world think?

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People should have developed fuel cells a long time ago.  Water is far more plentiful and accessible than oil.



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Hey, its Bush and his 'not conforming to Envirmental laws adopted by everyone else' thats causing problems, also, dont you think the oil companies may be a wee bit out to stop the electric car and the fuel cell/etc...

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Hey, its Bush and his 'not conforming to Envirmental laws adopted by everyone else' thats causing problems, also, dont you think the oil companies may be a wee bit out to stop the electric car and the fuel cell/etc...

That was my point.  The oil companies have been putting down cleaner, more efficient solutions.

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Well, Honda's made a fuel cell car prototype which I believe was modeled at the 2003 Chicago Auto show. There was a whole article I read on it on MSN.com 2 months ago, but i have no clue what became of it. It was a good article with pictures and was done by a guy who got to drive one. Fastest it's been tested is 65, but can go over 100 mph.

Stupid oil companies. Curse John D. Rockerfeller!

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Quote (Del S @ 9 Apr 2003, 15:44) Hey, its Bush and his 'not conforming to Envirmental laws adopted by everyone else' thats causing problems, also, dont you think the oil companies may be a wee bit out to stop the electric car and the fuel cell/etc... That was my point.  The oil companies have been putting down cleaner, more efficient solutions.

Think about it though...    ...once the world runs out of oil, there won't be any oil companies to stop electric car and hydrogen fuel cell powered cars.

The way I look at it, the sooner we finish off the oil,  the power stuggle over the oil in the world will end.

Pyro: the way you titled this topic makes it sound like the world will end when we run out of oil... Oil is oil. And besides, everyone knows that the End of the World will come when the monkeys of Africa get their hands on one of those damn evasive Iraqi chemical missiles. Damn those monkeys



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Quote (Zephir @ 9 Apr 2003, 17:01) Quote (Del S @ 9 Apr 2003, 15:44) Hey, its Bush and his 'not conforming to Envirmental laws adopted by everyone else' thats causing problems, also, dont you think the oil companies may be a wee bit out to stop the electric car and the fuel cell/etc... That was my point.  The oil companies have been putting down cleaner, more efficient solutions. Think about it though...    ...once the world runs out of oil, there won't be any oil companies to stop electric car and hydrogen fuel cell powered cars. The way I look at it, the sooner we finish off the oil,  the power stuggle over the oil in the world will end. Pyro: the way you titled this topic makes it sound like the world will end when we run out of oil... Oil is oil. And besides, everyone knows that the End of the World will come when the monkeys of Africa get their hands on one of those damn evasive Iraqi chemical missiles. Damn those monkeys

Damn those monkeys!

Anyway, I just wonder now how quickly we could make the conversion to electric/feul cell once the oil runs out?

Zephir thinks fast enough.

I suppose when everybody realizes that they can't get gasoline anymore, they'll be out trading in their gas-powered cadillacs for those electric Hondas, huh?



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THis is something that goes before there was a Bush in power. It's something we've been been spiralling towards for a long while, and I do remember being freaked out when about 4 of my professors taught us about it. Yup, we'll be dry by 2050. So what then?

Well basically there's hope that we'll find alternate resources. But with our ever increasing world population, we may run out of that, too.

Nice being on Earth, isn't it?

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That's just given me another crazy thought that future government officials might think of. Oil drilling on the moon and mars. Think I'm joking? Wait until it happens. Naturally the Americans will try to claim the moon. Their argument: "We were the first on it. Who's flag is on the surface?" This could ignite a brutal war against the cosmonauts of Russia.
Think it sounds crazy? Well, I think Americans depend on oil way too much that they'd try anything.... anything!

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The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
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But at the time, I didn't see it."

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That's just given me another crazy thought that future government officials might think of. Oil drilling on the moon and mars. Think I'm joking? Wait until it happens. Naturally the Americans will try to claim the moon. Their argument: "We were the first on it. Who's flag is on the surface?" This could ignite a brutal war against the cosmonauts of Russia. Think it sounds crazy? Well, I think Americans depend on oil way too much that they'd try anything.... anything!

Teeeeech-nically, you find oil where you find life.  So unless you know something I don't know, there's no life on the moon or mars, and hence no oil.

So that means we've screwed ourselves over.

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Well it is a sad story one that can be solved quicker than you think. But humanity as a whole will have to learn that lesson. If the US did send money to starving nations and stopped develpoing new weapons then we could help those nations who don't have a great education system and let them know how to make this better for themselves in the long run.

My opinion is that I think we will discover new sources of oil before the current known locations run dry.  There are many untapped places, such as Siberia, Russia, that do have some oil wells, but do not have the technology and/or capability to get access to it.  While oil is being consumed at a staggering rate, I think we have more time than we think we have on the oil clock, quite simply because many countries can't access their oil, and others are yet to be discovered.  By then, hopefully dependency on oil for most items will be greatly reduced or eliminated altogether

I on the other hand look at the world with an optimistic view.  We've adapted to our surroundings all throughout our history, because necessity is the mother of invention.

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Well it is a sad story one that can be solved quicker than you think. But humanity as a whole will have to learn that lesson. If the US did send money to starving nations and stopped develpoing new weapons then we could help those nations who don't have a great education system and let them know how to make this better for themselves in the long run.

Yes, I think we can all agree that it is America's responsibility to take care of everyone.

ANYWAY, Honda's hydrogen cars are currently being leased to the city of Los Angeles as municipal vehicles. BTW, those cars are worth a million dollars apiece. And you thought they were losing money on the Insight!

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Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

If bush put the 100 billion he's spending on this war on Iraq into 5 things to do with hydrogen powered cars, we could have a full infrastructure by 2010, and 95% of gasoline powered cars of the road by 2020... I read some 5 pages article on it.

I think that the petroleum on earth will not damage the planet as much as to destroy our pure way of life. I do believe we will run out of it as planned. As for Siberia's oil? there's not really all that much. They chop their own land up for cheap peat coal. Anyway, I think that the governm,ents of the world are procrastinating for a reason, Japan makes a lot of power cell cars, but they make a lot of money importing and exporting petroleum. Think about it, it's the Island between Alaska, California, and Asia. I think they are procrastinating because they know they can make such a change quickly. Besides, the countries that make these new technologies and sell them at massive prices will make all the money over these new fuel sources. Granted, the new fuel cell car costs a lot of money, but I know of a way to make nuclear power in your own backyard.

Americurium- the stuff in the smoke detectors.

Crush the americurium chips, a LOT of them, and mix them in with paint. Paint some high temperature bricks, then put some solar cells a few inches from them. Then pour concrete over it and run a power cord to those cells. Not a lot of radiation for you, but tons of power for about...eh...35 years?

Correct me if that sounds wrong...

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Quote (MorgueN @ 9 Apr 2003, 20:46) Well it is a sad story one that can be solved quicker than you think. But humanity as a whole will have to learn that lesson. If the US did send money to starving nations and stopped develpoing new weapons then we could help those nations who don't have a great education system and let them know how to make this better for themselves in the long run. Yes, I think we can all agree that it is America's responsibility to take care of everyone. ANYWAY, Honda's hydrogen cars are currently being leased to the city of Los Angeles as municipal vehicles. BTW, those cars are worth a million dollars apiece. And you thought they were losing money on the Insight!

Sorry people I never said it was a responsibilty that had to be done. I was only a possible solution to look at.

Quote (MorgueN @ 9 Apr 2003, 20:46)

Well it is a sad story one that can be solved quicker than you think. But humanity as a whole will have to learn that lesson. If the US did send money to starving nations and stopped develpoing new weapons then we could help those nations who don't have a great education system and let them know how to make this better for themselves in the long run.

So..how would that solve the oil problem? I don't understand how that would even remotely help.

I wouldnt want to use up all the oil of the world, but in order to get people to wake up, most of it will have to go before people change to fuel cells.

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I transferred all my America talk to the war topic

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

i notice someones mentioned monkeys.. well, do you know, that in africa, monkeys carry a deadly viral disease called ebola? its got no cure or vaccination at the moment, and if it had an airborne variant, and it was unleasehed in a major city.. we would be looking at armageddon, as Ebola kills roughly 90% of victims. Forget smallpox- it has a vaccine, even if its does have side effects. its the ones we know little about that may wipe us out- take that 'Asian Flu' thing- Hong Kong is in a state of panic over it.
It seems even the microbes want to kill us.....

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<sarcasm>Boy, this sure is on topic!</sarcasm>

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"Only the dead have seen the end of their quotes being misattributed to Plato."
-George Santayana

"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

I put this down somewhere else too,
The US needs to stop electing people into Congress with massive amounts of financial interest in oil. In the '70s, during the oil embargo, there was a new tax law that gave people who sought alternative sources of fuel would get a massive tax cut. When the oil came back, the law was repealed, and many people went bankrupt. We need that law back in order slow oil consumption.

Gas is now $1.88 a gallon here. What will it be when there is none, and there is no mode of transportation that doesn't use it?

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