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I didn't find the AtmaWeapons to be hard bosses but alot of people say they're some of the hardest bosses in the game. And yes, I made up the titles for the two Atmas. Those are definitely not official and just something I came up with. Why not tell me what you think of those while you're here?

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well im guessing that you are talking about the GBA version because there is only one in the PS1 version, which gave me a lot of trouble. i spent hours leveling up so i could beat it.

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No... there's two on the PS1 version. One on the Floating Continent before you confront Kefka, and another in Kefka's Tower that reveals a save point. The first is white (I'm calling it Atma Purity) and the second is black (Atma Sorrow).

And in case anyone cares, I call the first one Purity because he says "I am Atma... I am pure energy..." and the second one Sorrow because he seems so sad "I am Atma... left here from birth I've had alot of time to ponder the nature of things..." There might be more to it, if there is I forget it.

This post has been edited by Fighter-Douken! on 8th August 2007 18:23

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"Son of a submariner"~Kefka: FFVI

"Is he a friend of yoursh?" "We have a sort of hate-hate relationship, yes." ~Cohen and Rincewind: Discworld: The Light Fantastic

"Bender cracked corn and I don't care; Fry cracked corn and I don't care; Leila cracked corn and I don't care take that you stupid corn!" ~Bender: Futurama

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Why not tell me what you think of those while you're here?

I don't care for them.

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I thought they fit if nothing else. They WERE clearly two different creatures and I felt it did them an injustice to have the same exact name.

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"Son of a submariner"~Kefka: FFVI

"Is he a friend of yoursh?" "We have a sort of hate-hate relationship, yes." ~Cohen and Rincewind: Discworld: The Light Fantastic

"Bender cracked corn and I don't care; Fry cracked corn and I don't care; Leila cracked corn and I don't care take that you stupid corn!" ~Bender: Futurama

On the GBA version, the one you refer to as Atma Purity is called Ultima Weapon. The one you call Atma Sorrow is called Ultima Buster.

I didn't find them too bad. Ultima Weapon gave me a tad bit more trouble than the Buster, but not too much.



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I think the reason I pwned their butts is because I've been moderately to severely over-level since a bit before the Floating Continent.

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"Son of a submariner"~Kefka: FFVI

"Is he a friend of yoursh?" "We have a sort of hate-hate relationship, yes." ~Cohen and Rincewind: Discworld: The Light Fantastic

"Bender cracked corn and I don't care; Fry cracked corn and I don't care; Leila cracked corn and I don't care take that you stupid corn!" ~Bender: Futurama

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They WERE clearly two different creatures

Are they really?

You're told that during the war of the magi, two weapons named Atma were created. One was a sword, the other a creature of unimaginable magical power.

The only Atmas you run into are the Atma Weapon boss(es) and the Atma Weapon sword.

There's absolutely nothing in-game about Atma aside from that and the fact you fight him, but it's very, very likely that the second one is the same as the first one. With an extra dash of post-apocalyptic destruction and a sprinkle of in-the-last-dungeon-ism.

One thing slightly unsettling is that you can steal a second atma weapon (sword) from the last boss. Though I think historians would've noticed a second Big Nasty Creature of Destruction and Doom if there had been one - this is probably just a last-minute perk Square felt like giving the player as, honestly, I can't think of any reason you'd want to steal from the last boss under normal circumstances.

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I really only had trouble with the first Atma Weapon, I had to post many a topic to get some answers on how to defeat him. The second Atma was really easy though

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I had troubles with the first Atma due to my lack of knowledge about the game (and underlevelled characters), but after countless of tries i managed to get him down...

The second one was a pain aswell, and i was forced to skip him because i had the weak ''moogle charm'' party going that road ... i came back later and used my strongest party on that party to completely blow him away.

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On the GBA version, the one you refer to as Atma Purity is called Ultima Weapon. The one you call Atma Sorrow is called Ultima Buster.

I didn't find them too bad. Ultima Weapon gave me a tad bit more trouble than the Buster, but not too much.

Well, if you wanted to be exact about it, the first one is called Atma Weapon, and the second one is just called Atma. According to the first English translation, the SNES version, that is. (I personally prefer "Atma" over "Ultima" since "Atma" gives a unique flavor to the name and also avoids the cheesiness of the name "Ultima".)

I remember typing somewhere on the CoN forums recently that I don't recall any significance given to the second Atma beast (the one just called Atma) in the game's plot. Although it may be related to the fact that the final boss sequence does have a second AtmaWeapon for stealing...

Oh, also, I found the first to be moderately difficult but the second to be rather easy.

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(I personally prefer "Atma" over "Ultima" since "Atma" gives a unique flavor to the name and also avoids the cheesiness of the name "Ultima".)

same. in general, i dispise the name changes that the GBA version made. i also think that they are the same atmas.

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(I personally prefer "Atma" over "Ultima" since "Atma" gives a unique flavor to the name and also avoids the cheesiness of the name "Ultima".)

same. in general, i dispise the name changes that the GBA version made. i also think that they are the same atmas.

I like both names,
so I combined them together to form Ultimatma,
or ultim-atma,


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atma weapon,
ultima weapon,
ultimatma weapon

I Beat Ultima Weapon and Ultima Buster really easily actully. And why did you call them Purity and Sorrow?

the first ultima weapon was ok, the second was easier with my genji glove and master's scroll combo

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why did you call them Purity and Sorrow?

Already answered that question above, but here you go.

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And in case anyone cares, I call the first one Purity because he says "I am Atma... I am pure energy..." and the second one Sorrow because he seems so sad "I am Atma... left here from birth I've had alot of time to ponder the nature of things..." There might be more to it, if there is I forget it.

I didn't just pick names out of the blue. And the HAVE to be different creatures. Sorrow speaks of being left there from birth, while Purity is clearly on the floating continen.

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"Son of a submariner"~Kefka: FFVI

"Is he a friend of yoursh?" "We have a sort of hate-hate relationship, yes." ~Cohen and Rincewind: Discworld: The Light Fantastic

"Bender cracked corn and I don't care; Fry cracked corn and I don't care; Leila cracked corn and I don't care take that you stupid corn!" ~Bender: Futurama

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And the HAVE to be different creatures. Sorrow speaks of being left there from birth, while Purity is clearly on the floating continen.

Atma Weapon / Ultima Weapon was on the floating continent, but the continent was actually the sealed cave being ripped out from the ground.

As for Atma Weapon / Ultima Buster, by saying he's been left there since birth he means whatever world FFVI takes place on - short of being a single year old, he couldn't have been left in Kefka's tower. It formed from debris drifting together, after all, and wasn't present before the so-called end of the world.

I think it's reasonable to assume that Atma was sealed in the cave of the seal along with the Atma Weapon sword. He turns up when the floating continent is ripped out from the ground, but if a party of mid-level characters can truly defeat him, then it's a wonder why people even bothered creating it or remember it so long after the war of the magi.

My theory is that Atma was defeated, not destroyed. After the end of the world, Kefka's tower was probably built mostly from bits of the floating continent (due to various tileset resemblances here and there and, hey, that's where the statues were, after all; maybe that's why you can steal an atma weapon from the final boss too Well, probably not.) It wouldn't be too hard to expect the defeated Atma to turn up somewhere in Kefka's tower, then.

Of course, the only evidence the game offers towards any of this is that a scholar mentions there only being two Atmas - the sword and the beast. I think that's, aside from its battle dialog, the only info the game has on Atma, so anything else would be mere speculation. But I'm very enclined towards sticking to what the game lets us know (ie, Atma was created during the WotM along with the Atma Weapon sword, and no other mention of a second Atma creature can be found) above all else.

Just some speculatin'

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i agree with everything silverlance says. the scholar says that there is only one atma creature. secondly, the atma weapon probably did stay in the same place, its just that the place where he was got moved.

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My theory is that Atma was defeated, not destroyed

which would explain why, when you fight him the second time, he is less pompus and more, for lack of a better term, sorrowful.

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While it's true, the scholar speaks of but one monster and one sword, it's important to remember that Kefka did all kinds of weird stuff to the world once he took power. Kefka's Tower seems to be constructed at least partly from the ruins of Vector (hence the capsule room form the M-Tek facility and Vector's nonexistence post-WoB). The scholar says the Atma Weapons were created during the war of the Magi. One monster. One sword. But whose to say one couldn't make more? Cid had lots of Espers. Lots of magical power, and Kefka was a sneaky one, and could have easily exploited this power. At some point in the game's prehistory, it's possible Kefka (or someone else altogether) made another Atma. Heck, maybe even the one you fight on FC isn't the original. Who knows.

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"Son of a submariner"~Kefka: FFVI

"Is he a friend of yoursh?" "We have a sort of hate-hate relationship, yes." ~Cohen and Rincewind: Discworld: The Light Fantastic

"Bender cracked corn and I don't care; Fry cracked corn and I don't care; Leila cracked corn and I don't care take that you stupid corn!" ~Bender: Futurama

Maybe Atma is an Esper. But im not really sure..

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While it's true, the scholar speaks of but one monster and one sword, it's important to remember that Kefka did all kinds of weird stuff to the world once he took power. Kefka's Tower seems to be constructed at least partly from the ruins of Vector (hence the capsule room form the M-Tek facility and Vector's nonexistence post-WoB). The scholar says the Atma Weapons were created during the war of the Magi. One monster. One sword. But whose to say one couldn't make more? Cid had lots of Espers. Lots of magical power, and Kefka was a sneaky one, and could have easily exploited this power. At some point in the game's prehistory, it's possible Kefka (or someone else altogether) made another Atma. Heck, maybe even the one you fight on FC isn't the original. Who knows.

but then that would defeat the purpose of mentioning that there are two atmas. plus, it doesn't take to much to see that atma was a loose cannon, just out there to kill anything it found.

This post has been edited by Death Penalty on 11th August 2007 03:18

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Maybe Atma is an Esper. But im not really sure..

The thought's crossed my mind too. Or perhaps a creature composed of Esper energy, created by the Magi.

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"Son of a submariner"~Kefka: FFVI

"Is he a friend of yoursh?" "We have a sort of hate-hate relationship, yes." ~Cohen and Rincewind: Discworld: The Light Fantastic

"Bender cracked corn and I don't care; Fry cracked corn and I don't care; Leila cracked corn and I don't care take that you stupid corn!" ~Bender: Futurama

I had some trouble wih the first one, but I didn't have such a terrible time with the second one, in which case most of my characters were at high levels.

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Wow, I've played thru this so many times nothing is really hard, so I thought back, for as much as I can remember, to my first play thru when the game was released, in '93 if I recall correctly. I remember getting to the first one, and getting smoked. I spent about a half a day with my friend leveling and (man I love Dragons) stealing genji gloves. The next time we fought him, he was pretty easy, due to over leveling. The second was kinda hard, but not excessively so.

As for the origins of them both, remember that Kefka has many powerful monsters roaming around, including the Mech from Vector (sorry, I cant remember its name). That being said, when you fight the first one, I kinda had the feeling that it was guarding the passage to prevent you from reaching the Statues. I think it's safe to assume that Kefka simply regenerated it for his own amusement, and since Kefka controlled the statues, which it was guarding, it simply served in his tower.

Just my 2 cents

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the atmas are very easy, i did some tricks wiht rflect and safe while fighting the first one, and the second one i just did physical attacks and healing not hard at all