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Sony officially reduced the MSRP of the 60-gig model of the Playstation 3 from $599 to $499, but you can still pay the full six hundred bucks if you want to, as they also announced plans to release a new 80-gigabyte PS3 that will sell from the $599 price point.

Five hundred bucks is still pretty expensive, but hey, five hundred is less than six hundred, right?

Source: Joystiq

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Something I have never really thought of, maybe someone out there knows: what are the specs for the hard drives? Is this something that you can tack in your own drive, how you could with some PS2s? If so, Sony would be better served to start selling a roll-your-own box with warranty limitations.

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i dont have much high-teck stuff at my house, so if i would get a PS3, it would be the smaller of the three. is there a price drop on that one, or is that still $500?

or wait, was it $400?

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i dont have much high-teck stuff at my house, so if i would get a PS3, it would be the smaller of the three. is there a price drop on that one, or is that still $500?

or wait, was it $400?

actually, they dropped the 50 gig version, so the smaller of the two would be the $500, 60 gig version. the reason behind this being people wanted the 60 gig version more



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actually, they dropped the 50 gig version, so the smaller of the two would be the $500, 60 gig version. the reason behind this being people wanted the 60 gig version more

really?? i would rather have the one with less stuff for $400. it looks like i might need a tech update, since i dont know what half the stuff on the PS3 actually does.

This post has been edited by Death Penalty on 9th July 2007 19:07

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actually, they dropped the 50 gig version, so the smaller of the two would be the $500, 60 gig version. the reason behind this being people wanted the 60 gig version more

really?? i would rather have the one with less stuff for $400. it looks like i might need a tech update, since i dont know what half the stuff on the PS3 actually does.

well even if you got the one for less when it was available, getting the things that were left out (making it a pretty bad system for 100 less. they took out too much) would cost more than 100, so it really is a bargain, considering its a blu-ray player (which are $1000) and a video game system...so its a good deal

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well even if you got the one for less when it was available, getting the things that were left out (making it a pretty bad system for 100 less. they took out too much) would cost more than 100, so it really is a bargain, considering its a blu-ray player (which are $1000) and a video game system...so its a good deal

i read that statistic somewhere. but still, i haven't evolved technologically enough to actually need that, so i might as well save myself the $100. i kinda want a PS3, since the games coming out within the next year look good, but i am too cheap to spend the money.

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You could always see what the price looks like when those games do come out! I'll still consider one when there's anything compelling to make me do so.

I have never really bought the "It's a bargain for what you get!" argument. It's like going to buy a packet of paper, and finding it costs £1000:

"Why does this paper cost £1000?"
"It's really good value! Each sheet also functions as a small thermonuclear device!"
"But I just want paper."

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i kinda want a PS3, since the games coming out within the next year look good, but i am too cheap to spend the money.

How is it cheap to wait for the games you want to come out first, and then buy the system? Seems like the natural thing to do.

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I was planning on getting a PS3 at the end if August anyway, so this price cut comes at a nice time. The exact price cut in the UK has not yet been decided. Apparently we have to wait until Thursday for that.
Here's hoping it's at least cut by £50!

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Well its about time, Im still waiting for the 360's Price to go down, depending on if FFXIII is multiplatform (I heard from someone it was going to go on the 360 as well) I might get a 360 or a PS3 at some point in the future.

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Im still waiting for the 360's Price to go down, depending on if FFXIII is multiplatform (I heard from someone it was going to go on the 360 as well)

some of the FFXIII games will be on other platforms. i wouldn't expect the 360 to go down though.

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How is it cheap to wait for the games you want to come out first, and then buy the system? Seems like the natural thing to do.

yes, it is the natural thing to do as far as im conserned (spelling?). i meant that i wasn't sure if i wanted to spend the money on the PS3 at all. but if i decide that i do, i would wait.

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I was talking with one of the doctors in the department I work in at the hospital about games the other day, and he mentioned that PS3 did their Hard Drives right.

He said that when it came out, he bought the cheaper one, and just happened to have a 250 Gig drive sitting around (he and his wife are both radiologists, so money is no big thing) He said he popped it in, and the PS3 rom data immediately identified that the drive was from an outside source and asked if he would like to format it to use with the PS3. I have to give props that sony would anticipate and adapt for that, cuz believe me, if I get a PS3, it'll be the cheap one, and I'll try to reverse engineer one of those 1 Tera usb external drives (if it's the same size as a generic drive. And if I can't, I'll use the tera on my computer, and reverse engineer the 500 Gig external I currently have on my computer, cuz I'm 99.9% sure it is the right size.

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I was talking with one of the doctors in the department I work in at the hospital about games the other day, and he mentioned that PS3 did their Hard Drives right.

He said that when it came out, he bought the cheaper one, and just happened to have a 250 Gig drive sitting around (he and his wife are both radiologists, so money is no big thing) He said he popped it in, and the PS3 rom data immediately identified that the drive was from an outside source and asked if he would like to format it to use with the PS3. I have to give props that sony would anticipate and adapt for that, cuz believe me, if I get a PS3, it'll be the cheap one, and I'll try to reverse engineer one of those 1 Tera usb external drives (if it's the same size as a generic drive. And if I can't, I'll use the tera on my computer, and reverse engineer the 500 Gig external I currently have on my computer, cuz I'm 99.9% sure it is the right size.

OK, but is the connection inside the PS3 SATA or IDE? SATA would make more sense, but I don't know the answer. If it's IDE, I don't even know of an IDE-based 1TB hard drive in existence, so hook me up with a link, eh?

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I know that the pre-installed harddrive is SATA, but only the 60 gig model has a space for flash memory. The 80 gig probably does as well.

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I'm not really excited. I don't really plan on getting one.
I'm still waiting on a price drop for the PS2. Meaning I'll probably wait until well into the PS4 run before getting a PS3.

PS: Any word on a PS2 drop?

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PS: Any word on a PS2 drop?

i dont know if i'd count on that... even though its the last of the last gen's consoles to get new games, i doubt they'll do much with it at all.

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Meaning I'll probably wait until well into the PS4 run before getting a PS3.

lol same for me. story of my life.

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considering its a blu-ray player (which are $1000)

Question one: I'm not really up-to-date with this stuff, but how worth it is Blu-Ray technology anyway? As in, how prevalent is it, and how much am I missing if I don't get myself a Blu-Ray player?

Then, mentally construct some measure of the "opportunity cost" of not having the Blu-Ray player, and add that to how much a game system with the PS3's current game repertoire, including PS2 games and half-ass PS1 game support should be worth. Then we can (theoretically) determine whether the PS3 is worth that much money.

Keep in mind that it's the games, not the technology, that determines how valuable a game system is.

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"It's really good value! Each sheet also functions as a small thermonuclear device!"
"But I just want paper."

I think the Bush administration wouldn't mind producing another national farce using those.

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considering its a blu-ray player (which are $1000)

Question one: I'm not really up-to-date with this stuff, but how worth it is Blu-Ray technology anyway? As in, how prevalent is it, and how much am I missing if I don't get myself a Blu-Ray player?

Then, mentally construct some measure of the "opportunity cost" of not having the Blu-Ray player, and add that to how much a game system with the PS3's current game repertoire, including PS2 games and half-ass PS1 game support should be worth. Then we can (theoretically) determine whether the PS3 is worth that much money.

Keep in mind that it's the games, not the technology, that determines how valuable a game system is.

Quote (Tiddles the Awesome)

"Why does this paper cost £1000?"
"It's really good value! Each sheet also functions as a small thermonuclear device!"
"But I just want paper."

I think the Bush administration wouldn't mind producing another national farce using those.

the reason blu-ray is worth it is because of the improved storage simply, not to mention the imprved graphical quality. because of the storage capacity, blu-ray is able to hold more side quests, features, et cetera. this will make it a more complete version of the game than the xbox version. plus, because of the cell processor and the fact that, well, blu-ray is capable of much more than dvds, the graphics are absolutely astonishing. also, say final fantasy whatever is released in japan, and you want to import it because its been delayed were you live. but hey, you dont speak japanese. but with blu-ray, the capacity is so enormous that every version of the game can be put into one disc. so you can easily import it without having to get a translator and missing some of the story. the PS 3 gets way more hassle than it deserves, just because of the price tag. well, with xbox live, you pay $50 a year. that adds up after a while, so the xbox will end up costing more than the PS 3, and it doesnt even play blu-ray. the PS 3 has MUCH better harware than the xbox, and has 15 exclusives coming out for it (including MGS4 (Kojima confirmed it at Sony's press conference), Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank Future
, Little Big World, Warhawk, Motor Storm, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune). and all the exclusives that jumped ship: guess what, theyre going to be a better version on the PS 3 because the designers can put more in and improve the overall quality of the game. so the xbox's version will be a watered down version of the PS 3's because of the xbox's limits. it also has a larger life span than the xbox, which has already had people calling tech support because theirs is broken. really quality machine if you ask me...

so the PS 3 is worth the money, and so is blu-ray

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the reason blu-ray is worth it is because of the improved storage simply

This much is true.

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not to mention the imprved graphical quality.

Blu-Ray only makes a difference to graphics if you need to fit on more detailed textures, etc. than you could on a DVD. I've seen no particular evidence that anyone's having major problems with DVD capacity so far, particularly since you can always use multiple DVDs in the worst case - Blu-Ray would just make things more convenient. And if you imagine a PS3 without Blu-Ray, but where every model still has a hard disk, you could always have dumped content from a second disc on there if need be.

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because of the storage capacity, blu-ray is able to hold more side quests, features, et cetera. this will make it a more complete version of the game than the xbox version.

"Sidequests" and mission programming really don't take up much extra space, except for the graphics needed for them - see above about that. The whole game of FF7 was on every CD in the box; the FMVs were the only difference between each disc.

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plus, because of the cell processor and the fact that, well, blu-ray is capable of much more than dvds, the graphics are absolutely astonishing.

It's because of the Cell processor. Blu-Ray only affects storage, as above.

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also, say final fantasy whatever is released in japan, and you want to import it because its been delayed were you live. but hey, you dont speak japanese. but with blu-ray, the capacity is so enormous that every version of the game can be put into one disc. so you can easily import it without having to get a translator and missing some of the story.

Erm, the reason the games get released later is because it takes time to actually translate them into English. They won't delay the Japanese release for this. Capacity is fairly irrelevant anyway, unless the game uses voice samples exclusively for every bit of dialogue - which is more common these days, indeed, but that just adds to the translation time!

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...guess what, theyre going to be a better version on the PS 3 because the designers can put more in and improve the overall quality of the game. so the xbox's version will be a watered down version of the PS 3's because of the xbox's limits.

Rockstar, for instance, have already insisted that there will not be any differences in content between the PS3 and 360 versions. I'm sure many other developers will achieve the same. I thought the new PS3 only really had a better hard disk, anyway - if a game is going to take full advantage of that (or any other new features), what happens to the poor Sony loyalists who paid over the odds for an inferior console at launch?

I'm not saying Blu-Ray is without advantages, nor am I saying that the 360 is necessarily better value, but I feel that some of the supposed justifications for the extra price presented are pretty flimsy IMO.

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OK, but is the connection inside the PS3 SATA or IDE? SATA would make more sense, but I don't know the answer. If it's IDE, I don't even know of an IDE-based 1TB hard drive in existence, so hook me up with a link, eh?

Okay, so I usually don't use other forums as reliable sources, but this is the forum creator's actual experience with switching out the PS3 HDD.

Strangely, from an XBox Forum. But Sony isn't going to broadcast this info too freely... why would they spend time informing the masses that they could spend their extra $100 on a HDD that could blow Sony's out of the water in storage capacity alone?

I guess it could be worse... I'll wait to buy 'til the small HDD PS3 gets so cheap from overstocking and extreme market beat-out by the Wii that it's in the $200-300 range, and then I'll pop the biggest drive I can find in it.

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Update on this story: the price cut on the 60GB version might be to clear existing stocks, after which it would disappear and you'd still be stuck with the original price tag. Sony execs can't quite seem to agree on this.

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Update on this story: the price cut on the 60GB version might be to clear existing stocks, after which it would disappear and you'd still be stuck with the original price tag.

that stinks. if they got rid of the price cut, then they would also get rid of the only way i would ever buy a PS3. with the Xbox 360+ elite, i think they need the lower price in order to compete. especially since there are no good games currently available.

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 11th July 2007 13:24)

Then, mentally construct some measure of the "opportunity cost" of not having the Blu-Ray player, and add that to how much a game system with the PS3's current game repertoire, including PS2 games and half-ass PS1 game support should be worth.  Then we can (theoretically) determine whether the PS3 is worth that much money.

Keep in mind that it's the games, not the technology, that determines how valuable a game system is.

Since you're not using 'valuable' in the monetary sense, it's worth pointing out that the PS3's value lies in the usage of the customer.

Just because you don't believe it has any value without games doesn't make it universally true.

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[ no good games currently available.

have you been watching E3? in November, almost all of the very anticipated games are coming out.

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That doesn't mean they're "currently available". Surely it'd make sense to wait for November and some genuine reviews, and possibly a bundle deal, before jumping in at that price.

Although, if stocks of the lower-priced old model are indeed finite, now might be a good time to make the leap anyway, if you're sure you want one before Sony makes a real price cut.