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Leilong, I'd give you Protect but I actually don't have it, either. Haha. Oh well. It doesn't serve much of a purpose on my team.

Leaf blade is an amazing attack, especially for a physical pokemon like Leafeon. What you could do with him is give him Swords Dance and hope he survives a hit. From what I remember about Leafeon, though, he has pretty respectable defense so he could do it. He also learns Baton Pass, IIRC, so if things don't work out for him (e.g. a wall that he can't break comes in) then you can BP away instead of switching.

Speaking of BP, that is usually the best option for Smeargle. Most smeargles I've seen usually run spore + some boost move + baton pass. I thought about making one for my trick room team since he can learn some diabolical combos, but he does not have the stats to pull anything off, sadly. Maybe some day I'll find a use.

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Leafeon has absurd defense. Every one of the Eeveelutions has one good stat (95), one very good stat (110), and one awesome stat (130). Leafeon's very good stat is Attack and awesome stat is Defense. Eevees learn BP naturally, and most of the Eeveelutions have workable stats, so they often make great teammates in a BP team. Pretty much all of my teams have at least one of them on it, for that reason.

I have one of each of the seven Eeveelutions EV-trained, and my Leafeon rocks Leaf Blade, Swords Dance, X-Scissor, and Baton Pass. His job is to build up Attack with Swords Dance survive to pass it on to a "real" physical sweeper, but he can attack a Grass- or Bug-weak pokemon just fine. It's just that he's much better as a physical wall than a physical sweeper because of his defense and somewhat limited movepool. Honestly, Leaf Blade, X-Scissor, and I guess Return and Aerial Ace are his only decent physical attacks. You could probably give him some switch-forcing moves like Roar or Grasswhistle, or make him a Wish-wall (which is too late for leilong, because you need to breed Wish onto an Eevee and it sucks), but those are his best options.

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X-Scissor! That's what he needs! Hopefully, I can find another TM, as I think I used my last one. It works beastly on my Attack EV trained Shedinja with STAB, and I could totally sacrifice Razor Leaf for X-Scis, as I was only keeping it for the team attack (I like double battles), but the type coverage with Leaf Blade, Aereal Ace, and X-Scissor would be massive. I recently trained up a Flygon, and his Crunch is pretty much my only psychic killer, and as he's not Dark, he takes a beating along the way.

Which leads me to my next problem: My type coverage is Bass-Ackward. I've been trying to focus on breeding pokemon outside of their native element attack ranges (i.e. Grass is typically special, Flygon as a physical dragon, trying to make a special fighter that isn't lucario) All of these combinations work great in theory, but the pokemon that are capable of learning the move pools and having the stats to pull this off all tend to be lacking in their alternate defense. Leafeon is great as a defensive tank, but at lvl 71, it would not surprize me at all if a lvl 5 Charmander could pull off an Ember it would OHKO him, because his special stat is so deplorable. Which sucks, because Flamethrower is going to be the primary counter to a Leafeon.

At the same time, I was fighting an Octillery with my Flygon, and out of nowhere, a dinky Aurora Beam OHKO'd him. As it's not typically seen that waters have Ice moves (although practally all of them learn at least one), the Ground/Dragon type has that tasty 4X weakness, and as the primary culprits are going to be Ice Beam and Aurora Beam (with the occasional Ice Fang), There is no doubt in my mind that they will always be OHKOs, purely because he also lacks in the SDef department.

If I want any of these pokemon to be effective, I almost need to follow suit with Caesar here and get me a tank of a Shuckle. Which would only be even better if he could learn Follow Me. I suppose that would be an interesting one for Smeargle to learn, even though he lacks the defensive stats to make it worthwhile.

Speaking of Smeargle, I'm thinking of making the first move he learns Octazooka, as I want him to be full of the crap that only one or two pokemon really learn.

So For the moment, here's my lineup of interesting characters:
(Note: I know the flaws, and I'm slowly finding ways to fill in the blanks.)

Charizard
Flamthrower
Heat Wave <-- Thinking of swapping in EQ.
Blast Burn
Air Slash
Item: Charcoal

Articuno
Fly
Aereal Ace
Ice Beam
**Empty** <-- I deleted Defog off of him, haven't filled in the blank yet, I'm thinking Ancientpower tho.
Item: NeverMeltIce

Flygon <-- EV trained in Speed and Attack
Earthquake
Crunch
Dragon Claw
Draco Meteor <-- For that single-shot STAB Special beatdown when necessary.
Item: Dread Plate

Leafeon <-- EV trained in Speed and Attack
Synthesis
Leaf Blade
Aereal Ace
Razor Leaf <-- Soon to be X-Scissor. Thanks Lasz.
Item: Rose Insence

(The above makes up my 4 man team for battle tower.)
(The next Few Pokemon are my fill-ins for the 6-man, but no single one is a staple as of yet.)

Electivire <-- From PBR, EV trained in Speed and Attack
Thunder Punch
Cross-Chop
Earthquake
Ice Punch
^^ His type coverage right out of the gift box is fantastic. I taught him nothing!

Steelix <-- EV trained in Attack and Defense
Earthquake
Iron Tail
Fire Fang
Thunder Fang
Item: Leftovers
^^ I've talked alot about this bad boy in this thread. Still saving up BP to buy that universal Attack stat boost item.

Shedinja <-- EV trained entirely in HP. (Yeah Right! ) EV'd in Atk and Spd
X-Scissor
Toxic
Secret Power <-- Don't judge me, he's not done yet and needed SOMETHING.
Solarbeam <-- Like I said, not done, Really needs Protect.

Vaporeon <--EV'd in SAtk and Speed
Surf
Ice Beam
Yawn
... ... Quick Attack He's still a work in progress.
^^With Yawn, I've been considering Dream Eater if he'll learn it.
Also, It makes me feel like a dolt that I didn't take the time to breed yawn into Leafy, he would rock with a sleep move like that.



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Anyone willing to trade Regirock, Regiice, and registeel? If I have the pokemon and it's not on my main team I WILL trade it.... Also, I'm going to start to challenge the fight area....And I was thinking of my pokemon team being
Raichu
Staraptor
Toterra
Weavile

This post has been edited by Clock Doc on 20th May 2008 16:10

leilong, Protect (TM17) can be bought from the Veilstone Department Store, and X-Scissor (TM81) costs 64BP at the Battle Tower.

As to your item selection, the type boosting items really aren't worth it. Steelix and Electivire could both kick some serious ass with a Choice Band. And Shedinja with a Focus Sash can give him an extra turn too. I personally cannot stand having more than one of the same type of move (and your Charizard has 3!), and the next 2 in your lists are also culprits of this, but each to his own, I guess. I know people like the choice, but I much prefer having a wider type coverage.

Smeargle can be funky with Spore, Baton Pass and a stat raising move, like Caesar said, but I much prefer giving them all the uber legendary-unique moves, just because its fun. Dark Void over Spore, just in case you're doing double battles, and then paired with moves like Aeroblast, Sacred Fire, Judgement... loads more fun than trying to use one strategically.

Well, with the summr fast approaching, I'm mid-way through encouraging my brother and cousins to play 4th gen games for our holiday this summer (racing against each other, battling each other along the way), and I've already come up with a planned team. True, I'm being a bit eager, but I need to plan it ahead if I want to stand a chance. Considering the time limit, it is composed solely of Sinnoh Dex Pokemon, and no egg moves - all by TM or level up. So, without further ado:

Torterra
Curse
Earthquake
Crunch/Leech Seed
Woodhammer

Mainly because I used Infernape on Diamond, and I hate Empoleon. I'm probably going to go with Crunch on him, but I'm too much of a fan of Leech Seed to give it up. I''ll probably try it out with both and see which move I prefer.

Raichu
Thunderbolt
Nasty Plot
Focus Blast
Grass Knot

Raichu just doesn't have enough choices! I would have made him a mixed sweeper, but the prospect of Nasty Plot is too great, so I'm gone all special. I have plenty of physcial sweepers in the rest of my team anyway, so I don't see the harm in it. I'm a bit dubious on Focus Blast, but I'll have to see how it goes.

Honchkrow
Nasty Plot
Fly
Dark Pulse
Psychic

Sadly, Murkrow isn't available in Pearl, so I'll have to trade. Despite its higher Attack stat, Nasty plot pushes Special Attack ahead, so this is mainly special, barring Fly (which is mandatory - this team is for playing as well as battling.)

Tentacruel
Toxic Spikes
Surf
Sludge Bomb
Ice Beam

I was debating over Rest or Substitute as well, but I'd rather have some more power. Tentacruel has a high special defence (which my cousin probably won't know about), so it should be able to withstand a Thunderbolt/Giga Drain or two, giving it time to set up with the Toxic Spikes twice. Surf is for the field, again, and Sludge Bomb is for some nice STAB. Ice beam is there just in case another Torterra comes up, and just to give me some general nice type coverage.

Clefable
Metronome
Moonlight
Cosmic Power
Flamethrower

I know Clefable isn't the most capable of Pokemon, but it gets a place just for its awesomeness. Moonlight and Cosmic Power are givens (Sunny Day would be nice to power up the former, but I can live with it), Metronome is just for comedy factor, and Flamethrower is for Bronzongs. I don't have a Fire move on the team anyway, so its better to be on the safe side.

Heracross
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Close Combat
Return/Swords Dance

Heracross will probably stay with Swords Dance up until the E4, and then become a Choice Bander with Return once I get to the Battle Tower.

Like with both my Diamond teams, there're no sleep moves. Sing was an option on Clefable, but it just isn't accurate enough. In fact, Toxic Spikes is the only status move on the team... I might try and fit Toxic, Will-o-Wisp or Thunder Wave somewhere, but its more likely I'll leave it as it is. I'd probably just end up using attacks anyway rather than statusing anyone.

Quick question, where do you catch heracross in pearl? I wanted him on my team since the begining but couldnt find him!

Sweet Honey. Smear some on a tree, wait 6 and a half hours, and go back. There's a 5% chance it'll be a Heracross. Saving beforehand and resetting won't change the species either, it'll just change the IVs, nature, level etc.

This post has been edited by Wizwum on 20th May 2008 17:07

This might be a long reply, depending on how on course I can keep my thoughts. So heads up.

@ClockDoc: I really wish I had any of the Regi's. Regirock would fit really well into my team and I use him on Shoddy battle at the moment. Battle Tower is really not bad at all once you get used to it. I think you should lead with Weavile, assuming he was raised to be fast. He can pack quite a punch and one-shot almost anything in battle tower. Ghosts appear a lot, as do water pokemon, but a STAB'd Night Slash would take care of both no problem. I would bring him, Raichu, and Torterra into Battle Tower, probably.

@leilong: Before I say anything, I should clear something up: nearly ALL water pokemon carry Ice Beam. Even Swampert, who is usually a wall and support pokemon, usually carries Ice Beam + EQ or Ice Beam + Surf or some combination of those three moves. Octillery killing a Flygon is no surprise for me; Octillery had really solid special attack and can learn almost every single type of special attack. Most Octilleries, including my own, have Ice Beam so dragons don't bother him. If anybody brings in a bulky water pokemon on your Flygon (Milotic, Swampert, Slowbro, etc), switch him out quickly. Octillery will OHKO you no matter what you do, but he's really slow and has poor defense. You should be able to kill him. Just look out for them, because they are notorious dragon killers.

Another thing to keep in mind when you are making pokemon is to separate uniqueness from practicality. It is not to have a few surprises up your sleeve, but make sure that they still work. Most of the stuff you are mentioning is fine and works really well, but don't ever give Octazooka to a Smeargle. Smeargle really doesn't have the offensive capabilities to do anything, he's too slow to compete without any sort of boosts, and he's too fast for a Trick Room team. If you did want to pass him tons of boosts, though (like...an agility and two nasty plots), then don't hold back on his moves. Give him the best moves available.

I do hate to waste the unique moves, but I had to do so on many occasions. Hariyama is the only pokemon that can learn Arm Thrust but it is god awful. Dragonite is one of the few that can use Aqua Tail effectively (read: Gyarados), but Surf is better for mine. Same with Needle Arm vs. Seed Bomb for Cacturne. And Iron Head for Bastiodon/Aggron. There are lots of unique moves out there, but most of them are outclasses by common TMs or learnable attacks. I hate it, but it's the truth.

It is important that you recognized the weaknesses of your pokemon. It took me awhile to realize that not all my pokemon are flawless and can sit in and take any kind of attack. Sometimes you just have to admit defeat and switch into a more suitable pokemon. If you just sword danced with Leafeon and then someone brings in a...I don't know, Heatran, then it hurts to take him out like that. Pokemon IS a strategy game, though, and strategically switching and cornering your opponent is a huge part of this.

It doesn't hurt to get a few walls in your team, but if you just keep switching in a wall whenever you're about to get hit by a big attack then you will never actually attack. That's the tricky part: being able to read your opponent well enough to predict his attacks and switch in an offensive pokemon capable of both surviving the attack and putting pressure on him. For example, I was playing my friend the other day and he brought in a Salamence on my Slowbro. I know he uses a mixed mence (Draco, Fire Blast, Stone Edge, Brick Break), and fire blast would definitely kill me if I guessed wrong, but I was feeling a Draco Meteor so I switched in my Metagross. I took like 30% damage from it but now I am in and he's feeling the pressure; Fire Blast isn't strong enough to kill me now and Brick Break won't do it, either, plus TR was up so I had first move. I assumed he'd switch since Meteor Mash, a staple of Metagross, would have killed him with Life Orb equipped. I chose Earthquake instead, which normally wouldn't hit him. Conveniently, he switched in his own Metagross to take the MM and got hammered by EQ. Next turn I use MM to anticipate another switch and hit his Garchomp for a OHKO. Shortly after, Trick Room wore off and I guessed wrong and died the next turn. Regardless, because of prediction I was able to kill his main late-game sweeper, prevent a kill on my Slowbro, and really damage his Metagross.

I'm not sure how it would work on your current team, though, to be honest. Most of them would get pretty hurt by an Ice Beam, since they are all pretty frail except Articuno. But then again, Articuno can't hit water types very hard at all so that'd be a useless switch. You might want to consider a water or steel pokemon for your team. One that can attack really hard, though. The two that would work best for you I think are Starmie and Metagross. Starmie can learn Tbolt, Ice Beam, and Surf which hits everything for at least neutral damage. Starmie is also very fast and has decent typing to take an Ice Beam or some other attack, plus it has Natural Cure to soak up status effects. Great pokemon. Metagross is just a beast altogether. Huge defense, huge attack. Can take a few hits and dish them back several times over. Meteor Mash, EQ, and Explosion are all he needs basically.

Ok, now onto your already-made pokemon. I think I said this before, but you should give Charizard Dragon Pulse. There are a few reasons: first of all, dragon is one of the best offensive types because only steel resists it. Nobody in their right mind will bring in a steel type against Charizard unless it's Heatran. My Heatran has HP Dragon for the same reason. So with that move and FT/Fire Blast alone, you hit every type for neutral damage. I also suggest Focus Blast just because I love that move and because it is an absurdly powerful special Fighting type move. If someone does have a Heatran and conveniently uses it on your Charizard, bring out Focus Blast and he's done. This is experience talking here. Fighting moves hurt Heatran a lot. Air Slash for the final move slot is perfect. It is unique (I think only Togekiss has the means to pull it off well), it is special-based and strong and STAB'd, and it hits Infernape for t3h KO. That's all there is to it. That moveset makes your Charizard godly. EQ is a great move, but if he's trained in special attack, Focus Blast will do more. Heck, if he's trained in attack, Focus Blast will still do more. Hahaha.

Flygon looks good and Leafeon we already talked about. I still have no clue how Articuno's are used so I don't know what to say about him. There are better options than Fly available, but we already mentioned that, too. The only thing left to mention is Yawn + Dream Eater. I have a Ninetails that runs Hypnosis and Dream Eater. I thought it was a nice surprise for anyone. Then I realized that nobody outside of the game will leave someone in if they are asleep. Similarly, nobody will leave someone in after a Yawn to first fall asleep and then second get hit by it. For that reason, it is best to use the Yawn as a chance to boost your stats, which is really convenient for Vaporeon and Leafeon. If you give them Yawn, it's pretty much a free Acid Armor/SD. However, that's a wasted move slot basically. Between Yawn, Acid Armor, and BP, Vaporeon only has one slot for Surf or Ice Beam. But yea, that's usually how Yawn works. I was going to have a Blastoise that used Yawn + Focus Punch, but I couldn't breed it successfully, sadly.

That's all for me. Good luck!

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I took too long replying and now there's another team here. Hahaha. Wizwum, your team looks really great! I really don't have much to comment about it. If I had a Murkrow I'd trade it to you, but I don't have one either. The only thing I want to mention is the Clefable. I was going to make one awhile ago and asked around for the best moves for him. After talking with some highly competent pokemon players, I decided that he could do very well with Softboiled, Cosmic Power, Focus Blast, and Charge Beam. He can take down walls without any problem since his defenses will be gigantic. Charge Beam makes him gradually stronger each turn and Focus Blast kills everything dead. Softboiled is a move tutor in RubyRed/LeafGreen,etc. I have a Clefairy in my box with it right now. The big problem, though, is that Magic Guard, the main reason to use Clefable, is a Diamond/Pearl exclusive ability. I think if you have two Clefairies that both have a move tutor move, the child Clefairy will also have it. Which means that you need to give Softboiled to a male and a female Clefairy, xfer them both to Dia/Pearl, breed them and hope to get lucky with magic guard ability. I have not even done this because I lost patience and only have LeafGreen. I don't even know if it is true, but all my sources indicate that it is.

Anyways, give the Clefable a Toxic Orb and you now have a status wall that is not harmed by sandstorm, has gigantic defense, can heal 50% of its health regardless of weather, constantly boosts its special attack and has the big bang attack for killing big threats. If this thing gets set up, it's all over. Just something to consider if you have a lot of spare time.

Actually, I lied. There is one more thing I wanted to say. I thought that Tentacruel looked strange and now I know why. He doesn't have Mirror Coat! That, I believe, is necessary on that pokemon. My friend used a Tenta on me before. It had Toxic Spikes, Surf, Mirror Coat, and Knock Off, with Black Sludge equipped. It was a really tough kill. I was using my Porygon Z against it awhile ago and hit it with a Tri Attack (no Tbolt for him, sadly). Mirror Coat reversed it and killed me FTW. Next time, though, I learned. My Magnezone just used Metal Sound on him until his special defense was basically 0. Could not kill me in time and couldn't survive the Tbolt to reflect the damage. Still a great wall and a nasty mirror coat user. I think you need to breed it onto him from Corsola.

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I love Vaporeon as a bulky water. It has ridiculous HP, okay Special A, and can BP. Mine has Surf, Ice Beam, BP, and Acid Armor, and its job is to A) pass round Defense and hose stuff down with Surf and Ice Beam. You can also give it Aqua Ring if you want to pass around healing and anchoring, Haze if you want it to remove buffs, Roar if you want it to force switches, Wish if you want it to wishpass, or Substitute if you want enormously fat subs. Vaporeon's great; it's probably the most useful of the Eeveelutions.

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Hmm, it does sound like a beast, but that is a lot of effort to get a Clefable like that. Plus, I'd be surprised if my relatives allowed me that much preparation to make a Cleffa like that beforehand, and so it would eat into my time whilst playing. Plus, I wouldn't be able to transfer it over to DP until after the E4, and chances are, I wouldn't have enough time to train it up. So, despite how nice Softboiled would be, it probably is a no go. I'll probably have to stick with Moonlight and do as well as I can. Luckily, it only heals a quarter if under other conditions, and its likely the only weather effect used against me will be Sunny Day anyway - no doubt, much to their dismay. If they get a Hippowdon, Sand Stream could get annoying, but thats unlikely too. I was actually considering a Golduck as my surfer; Cloud Nine would negate any weather effect. Thats pretty circumstancial though, and probably not the best use of a slot. I'm sure I'll cope without it.

Now with Corsola, its even trickier. Again, its not in the Sinnoh dex, and I'd have to wait for it to swarm. Luckily if it does occur, no training would be involved, and I could breed Mirror Coat straight on, but the chances of one turning up are pretty slim. Black Sludge is a great plan, I wouldn't have stood a chance of noticing that for myself. If Corsola do swarm, I'll probably end up doing it, but until then, I'll have to stick with what I've got.

Thanks for the help.

This post has been edited by Wizwum on 20th May 2008 17:52

Where do you get evee in pearl?

After the Elite Four, Bebe will give you one. Or you can get them from the Trophy Garden. Just save the game in front of Mr Backlot and keep reloading it until he talks about Eevee 'giving him a smooch on his cheek.' When the conversation is over, head to the back garden and search until you find one.

On second thoughts, with Heracross, Choice Scarf is probably a better idea. Raising his speed is probably more important than raising his attack.

How do you get eevee to evolve into Leafeon? I have a leaf stone...

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I still have no clue how Articuno's are used so I don't know what to say about him. There are better options than Fly available, but we already mentioned that, too.

Taken from Bulbapedia

Here's the crash-course in Articuno:

Attack pool is very lacking. Here's every Attack that causes damage:
Gust
Powder Snow
Ice Shard
AncientPower
Ice Beam
Blizzard
Hidden Power
Water Pulse <-- Which I didn't realize... Note to self
Hyper Beam
Frustration
Return
Aerial Ace
Secret Power
Steel Wing
Giga Impact
Avalanche
Natural Gift
Pluck
U-Turn
Fly
Rock Smash

Unless you count out the moves, Fly does 70 damage over 2 turns (35/turn averaged), and Aerial Ace does 60 in one, meaning that for STAB purposes, Fly and Aerial Ace are the only good bird moves.

Also, Base Attack is 85, and base SAtk is 95. And from what I've seen, Legendaries tend to have neutral natures, as my Articuno and my Mewtwo are both Docile.

There are many other slots that can be filled, but as non damaging things like Agility.

The other aspect of articuno that seems to be the exploit of interest, is that you can learn both mind reader and sheer cold... ouch

As for using him and attack coverage, a Fly/Aerial Ace for one slot, Ice Beam/Blizzard for the next, Water Pulse/Natural Gift for a third, and AncientPower/Steel Wing for a 4th. That would give Flying, Ice, Water/???, and Rock/Steel attack power, with the obvious STABs. I suppose a Grass, Ghost, or Electric Natural Gift would be useful as well, as there is an 80 power berry for each of those.

The other downside is that Arti retains all weaknesses of Flying (except Ice), and has all of Ice's weaknesses (minus fighting), including a 4X weakness to rock due to both.

On the plus, even though all waters learn Ice, Ice carries it's own uniqueness that I enjoy. Delibird is the only other Ice/Flying, and I'll pass, thanks.

I like teams with either Levitate or Flying attributes for their immunity to ground (if Flygon, Charizard, Articuno, Shedinja, and Gyrados weren't a complete giveaway), especially since I like to exploit this with personal usage of EQ in team battles. It's kinda like using discharge with a ground on your team, or Surfing with a water-absorber.

These are my typical tactics, and in explaining them to you, I think I've actually come up with a couple more. Now to decide between AncientPower/Water Pulse, Water Pulse/Natural Gift, or AncientPower/Natural Gift...

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I took so long to type this I was ninja'd...

Quote (Clock Doc @ 20th May 2008 16:16)

How do you get eevee to evolve into Leafeon? I have a leaf stone...

No leaf stone for Leafeon. There is a mossy stone in Eternia Forest that you take an Eevee to, and you examine the stone, and then level up the Eevee. Upon leveling, the influence of the mossy stone makes the Eevee evolve into Leafeon. I don't think you have to be within a specific proximity of the stone when Eevee levels, but it doesn't hurt, you just have to examine it and then level. There is a similar Ice Stone on the way to the city with the Ice gym that will make an Eevee into Glaceon. BEAR IN MIND!!! There are Eevee-specific moves that you can miss out on if you evolve him at too low of a level, such as baton pass. Check the Learning info first, you'll be glad you did if you want the pokemon as more than a pokedex entry. Also, if you have a ditto, it makes it a lot easier to breed up and get all the Eeveeloutions, as you will only need one Eevee (or Eeveeloution) to breed more Eevees. Happy hunting.

This post has been edited by leilong on 20th May 2008 23:13

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Quote (Clock Doc @ 20th May 2008 23:16)

How do you get eevee to evolve into Leafeon? I have a leaf stone...

Level it up in Eterna Forest.

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Looks like leilong answered it for me.

This post has been edited by Wizwum on 20th May 2008 23:14

Awesome! I just caught a Skarmory on the the way to Starke Mountain...!
Trying to figure out the best 6'mon team...
Skarmory
Lucario
Staraptor
Toterra
Raichu
???
For the sixth slot I need a high leveled weavile.....I just remembered that I traded my weavile for a houdoom......Who doesn't even get used....

Wheres a good place to catch hi leveled weaviles?

Unless you made that Raichu from a surfing Pikachu, you have no water coverage!

Are you hoping to EQ with your Torterra to kill a fire? Because with Rapidash's annoying bounce, and Charizard's Flying, that's not always as easy as it seems.

If you're into quick pokemon (as in - you like to get the first hit), there's been some good ideas tossed around for Tentacruels, Vaporeons, and - my personal favorite - Gyrados.

But, if you're willing to go the slower route, Gastrodon may be worth a look. Being a Water/Ground makes it immune to one of the two water weaknesses (Electric), but highly susceptable to the other (Grass), which is also the precise reason I started running a Leafeon. It sucks that there are pokemon out there that have weaknesses to say one or two specialized types ***COUGH BRONZONG COUGH*** (as I never pick the grass starter, I'm usually deficent in grasses) Making Gastrodons, Quagsires, and other water grounds of the like (I can't remember the name of the catfish) Immune to everything I throw at them, as Water dulls the Ice on Ground effectiveness, and until recently, I don't carry dragons, psychics, and steels on me.

If you want the Weaville, you're gonna have to catch a Sneasel by the Ice city and evolve it. I can't remember what you need to evolve him (quick claw?), but there's a process, and Serebii and Bulbapedia are 2 great places to look at how to get him.

Also, I see a redundance in your setup: Skarmory = Steel/Flying, Lucario = Steel/Fighting, and Staraptor is Normal/Flying. Between the Staraptor and the Lucario, you've got type coverage for Skarmory. Hate to say it, but one bird is probably enough. (Coming from me! I know the Hypocracy!)

Houndoom could actually be cool, as it's a total anti-psychic. Take that, Bronzong! And with moves like overheat and flamethrower paried with moves like dark pulse, you could make him really formidible.

This post has been edited by leilong on 21st May 2008 00:55

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I have a gyrados and I may throw him in there for what you just said....But, fighting and steel are two of my favorite types and havent failed me yet....Plus, with flying pokemon, I can use fly. which I find to almost be necessary in some of the later battle tower battles...

But, right now, I can see where you are coming from...I do need a good fire type....

And not to be repetitive, but, does anyone have a typlosion they are willing to trade?

Does anyone have a legitimate celebi they'd be willing to trade for a modest nature phionie? I'm looking to get one so i dont have to hack to get one, if you dont want that, i can get you a legit wishmaker jirachi.

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Due to the fact that the generation 2 starters are only available from side games, generally, you'll need to trade something quite rare for one. Its much more likely you'll get a Blaziken or Charizard (which, I have to add, are both better than Typhlosion. The generation 2 starters are famous for being the worst set of starters so far, with generation 3 being the best (Swampert and Sceptile are both beasts), though Infernape is still better than Blaziken. To be honest, as leilong says, Houndoom is probably your best bet. With Nasty Plot, Flamethrower/Overheat, Dark Pulse and Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball, it'll make a beast of a special sweeper.

Skarmory is good, but is, along with Blissey and Breloom, one of the most abused Pokemon out there. Its typing combined with its stats make for one solid wall, and it has a great tanking movepool as well. But everyone and their grandma uses a Skarmory; I much prefer to go with unique Pokemon.

Gyarados, too, is good. Aqua Tail/Waterfall, Ice Fang, Earthquake and Dragon Dance is pretty much the given moveset for it as a physical sweeper, and due to its limited move pool, you can't vary very much from that. Be wary of its low speed in comparison with other sweepers, but after a couple of Dragon Dances it should be fine.

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Lockes AlterEgo, Phione is an incredibly common Pokemon in comparison with Celebi (considering once you have a Manaphy (either by event or Pokemon Ranger), you can breed them off as much as you want), and even Jirachi is much easier to get, in comparison. If anyone was fortunate enough to have a legitimate Celebi (only ever available in Japan, afaik), they would really be quite foolish to trade one for something as common as a Jirachi or a Phione. I can almost guarantee you will end up having to hack for one.

This post has been edited by Wizwum on 21st May 2008 15:48

Typlosion is one of the best starters if only because he can learn Eruption and has the stats to pull off an Eruption sweep. 100 speed is pretty decent and 109 sp attack is solid enough to kill with a STAB'd 150 power attack. He could run a choice scarf to boost his speed and guarantee a first attack and then run modest nature with sp attack and speed EVs. He is a beast. It's pretty much like Kyogre's Water Spout sweeping abilities.

Think of it this way: Typlosion's Eruption at full health is stronger than Infernape's Overheat. How many pokes have ever survived that Overheat? I've only seen one live through it personally. Eruption can be used every turn without penalty, and with Choice Scarf his speed is going to be ridiculous. Typlosion is pretty much a GG late-game special sweeper.

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In which case, I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of Eruption. If the GS remakes ever come out, I think I know who I'll be starting with.

I have a Cyndaquil on my FireRed (which I proceded to powerspawn about 400 babies). I transferred a couple of them over to Diamond, so if you want a specific gender/nature/ability, just say. I've probably got one . Of course, if you just want one because you'll be breeding it, then, fine with me.

My team's been in and out of production for a few months. I've got two complete (Ninetales, Steelix (which, incidentally, I found out what I messed up on his EV training - I was fighting Psyducks/Golducks on Lake Valor. (Although I had the correct Power item equipped))). Gallade is what I'm working on at the moment, and he is VERY versatile. He is my main pokemon for Singles in the Battle Tower, and only rarely has he been taken down. His moves are:

Swords Dance
Leaf Blade
Psycho Cut
Close Combat.
He was EV trained in Speed, and now I'm sorting out his Attack EVs. He will be unstoppable (In theory )

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Due to the fact that the generation 2 starters are only available from side games, generally, you'll need to trade something quite rare for one. Its much more likely you'll get a Blaziken or Charizard (which, I have to add, are both better than Typhlosion. The generation 2 starters are famous for being the worst set of starters so far, with generation 3 being the best (Swampert and Sceptile are both beasts), though Infernape is still better than Blaziken. To be honest, as leilong says, Houndoom is probably your best bet. With Nasty Plot, Flamethrower/Overheat, Dark Pulse and Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball, it'll make a beast of a special sweeper.

Skarmory is good, but is, along with Blissey and Breloom, one of the most abused Pokemon out there. Its typing combined with its stats make for one solid wall, and it has a great tanking movepool as well. But everyone and their grandma uses a Skarmory; I much prefer to go with unique Pokemon.

Gyarados, too, is good. Aqua Tail/Waterfall, Ice Fang, Earthquake and Dragon Dance is pretty much the given moveset for it as a physical sweeper, and due to its limited move pool, you can't vary very much from that. Be wary of its low speed in comparison with other sweepers, but after a couple of Dragon Dances it should be fine.

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Lockes AlterEgo, Phione is an incredibly common Pokemon in comparison with Celebi (considering once you have a Manaphy (either by event or Pokemon Ranger), you can breed them off as much as you want), and even Jirachi is much easier to get, in comparison. If anyone was fortunate enough to have a legitimate Celebi (only ever available in Japan, afaik), they would really be quite foolish to trade one for something as common as a Jirachi or a Phione. I can almost guarantee you will end up having to hack for one.

It's called helping a person out who is trying to complete the pokedex and can't get to the dang events. Try helping a person out by taking what they have to offer. If i had something better i'd offer it, but i dont, i need celebi to complete my pokedex, if the person who has it already completed there's they have no more need for it.

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But thats the point, despite how great it would be, very few people are actually selfless enough to be willing to do that. So many people want such a rare pokemon for their dex, that not only is it nice to just have one, but generally, they'll know they can always get somethign rarer. I agree it would be great if people would trade us Celebi and Deoxys for our Phiones and Dialgas, but due to the fact that people are being offered much rare legendaries for Pokemon like that means that such a trade will rarely be made. I wasn't meaning to put you down or insult you in any way, I was just trying to alert you to the fact that you may struggle to find someone willing to make such a trade.

And footbigmike, I am very much interested in a Cyndaquil. we can continue this over PM, if you'd be so kind as to oblige.

And that Gallade moveset is beasty. That hits everything for at least normal effectivity, right? I was considering a Gallade for one of my teams, but decided to go down the Gardevoir route. Of course, its still a Ralts, and completely untrained, so I could still go for a Gallade if I wanted... I still have to decide between the two, really.

I have multiple level 1 babies of all twelve starters. Basically, it took a little bit of training and a LOT of run-throughs of LeafGreen and Emerald. If anyone wants a starter, I can hook you up. But sadly, I don't have any of the super-rare legendaries like Mew, Deox, Celebi, Jirachi, etc.

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But thats the point, despite how great it would be, very few people are actually selfless enough to be willing to do that. So many people want such a rare pokemon for their dex, that not only is it nice to just have one, but generally, they'll know they can always get somethign rarer. I agree it would be great if people would trade us Celebi and Deoxys for our Phiones and Dialgas, but due to the fact that people are being offered much rare legendaries for Pokemon like that means that such a trade will rarely be made. I wasn't meaning to put you down or insult you in any way, I was just trying to alert you to the fact that you may struggle to find someone willing to make such a trade.

And footbigmike, I am very much interested in a Cyndaquil. we can continue this over PM, if you'd be so kind as to oblige.

And that Gallade moveset is beasty. That hits everything for at least normal effectivity, right? I was considering a Gallade for one of my teams, but decided to go down the Gardevoir route. Of course, its still a Ralts, and completely untrained, so I could still go for a Gallade if I wanted... I still have to decide between the two, really.

I was curious so I just ran that moveset through my custom-made moveset type calculator to check. The grass, psychic, fighting combo can hit all for at least neutral effectiveness except for the following type combos:

Bug/Psychic
Dragon/Psychic
Fire/Psychic
Flying/Psychic
Ghost/Psychic
Grass/Psychic

Those are pretty rare type combos, though, and I'm pretty sure some of them don't actually exist in the game. Basically you have nothing to fear.

I have also seen Gallades with Drain Punch, but generally if he gets hit by anything he's dead anyways, so it won't do much good. Close Combat is twice as strong so stick with that.

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And that Gallade moveset is beasty. That hits everything for at least normal effectivity, right? I was considering a Gallade for one of my teams, but decided to go down the Gardevoir route. Of course, its still a Ralts, and completely untrained, so I could still go for a Gallade if I wanted... I still have to decide between the two, really.

I actually realised only a few days ago that Leaf Blade actually has a higher Attack Power than Psycho Cut, 90 vs 70, although Psycho Cut gets STAB. In addition, I've given him one of the items that raises Critical Hit ratio, and with Leaf Blade and Psycho Cut being attacks which naturally have a higher Critical Hit ratio... well, you get my point

I got my Gallade to ~lvl 70 when I realised he could have so much more potential. His nature was cutting down his speed, his EVs weren't properly trained. So I remade him. As soon as I got the Ralts to a Kirlia while EV training, I remembered that you need a Dawn Stone to evolve them, which there are only one of in the game. The only other way is a Pokemon that has Pickup and is level 90+. Luckily, i'd faced a similar problem back in Ruby, and had a lvl 92 Linoone ready for me . (Which leads me to, if anyone needs a stone, or one of those rare items, I'll see if I can dig one up... literally)

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Well, I'll be getting an Electrike soon (Thanks Wizwum ), so I thought I'd mention my plans for it.

Manectric:
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt

Well, that's all i've got. I was tempted to give it Crunch, since it's a good-powered Dark attack which'd really balance it well, but since it's physical, and Manectric's Attack stat isn't that great, I think i'll leave it out.

Unfortunately, Manectric doesn't have a wide range of Special Attacks, so I guess I'll either fill the remaining slots with status moves, or give it two Electric attacks.

This post has been edited by footbigmike on 21st May 2008 22:12

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Well, I'll be getting an Electrike soon (Thanks Wizwum ), so I thought I'd mention my plans for it.

Manectric:
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt

Well, that's all i've got. I was tempted to give it Crunch, since it's a good-powered Dark attack which'd really balance it well, but since it's physical, and Manectric's Attack stat isn't that great, I think i'll leave it out.

Unfortunately, Manectric doesn't have a wide range of Special Attacks, so I guess I'll either fill the remaining slots with status moves, or give it two Electric attacks.

No problem.

I hadn't actually realised Manectric's stats, and it does have a nice set up. You're right about the limited movepool, but I have some suggestions.

Swift, whilst only being 60 power, always hits, which could prove handy, though Thunderbolt and Flamethrower are already pretty accurate, so there may be no need. I was thinking Charge might work, but as soon as you've used it, your opponent can just switch to a ground type, and you've wasted a turn. Roar could be interesting for foe selection, as the moveset can barely scratch ground types. The only other option is to get a good typed Hidden Power (water, grass or ice would be great), but again, getting one with a good power and type can be difficult and tedious, especially if you're trying to combine it with the right nature.

If i can figure out the wifi here i can also trade with some one for the johto starters, i can breed as many as you'd like.

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