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Quote (Hamedo @ 19th January 2007 18:12)

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Plus, if he's in the Tactics remake, not only will we get another gunner (high-five Hamedo!)

I know nothing of Balthier, man, but if you would be willing to vouch for him, then he can't be all bad.

He's seriously a gunner? *drool* If he's able to duel wield, I might wet myself.

Balthier isnt a GUNNER only, but starts out with guns...which is good enough for me. (i dont think he can dual-weild as in FF XII, guns are 2-handed)

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If they're including Dark Knight as a class(which is Gafgarion's job class), we can only assume that they're going to include some sort of counterpart to Agrias' job class, a holy knight of some sort. It also seems as if they're going to be making the classes of guests into classes that generics can use, but it's not yet likely. We're free to speculate, and I believe that classes such as the ones that Meliadoul and maybe even characters like Kletian will have some sort of generic job class possible.

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Dark Knight? Let me first say, i'm all for add on's to of quality taste... but this is quite unsound. I think it's a great idea that there adding on to the game a little bit for the PSP version, but at least add some fresh idea's. Dark Knight is a bleek attempt at getting all the hardcore FFT players to go out and rebuy an already Amazing game.

If Square thinks they can add a new doof knight who looks like a wizard and give him abilities you can already get in the game, not to mention in my honest opinion wont make the game any more interesting than it's original.... well there sadly mistaken. It's sad that Square will sell out ever chance it gets to ride just a little bit higher above the gaming "pack" in money.

If they actualy cared about there fan base, they wouldn't exploit there products and squeeze every pathetic littel chance of camio's. The Dark Knight will be a pointless entry into an already touchless game. And if Square creates the new FFT as it has been creating it's last several games, it will be an overpowered class that entirely reduces the thought level of the game from "stratagie" to "tiddly winks".

I'm sorry to all you FFT fanatics who have to see this corperate bull$#!@ taint one of the classic games of our generation. Leave it up to fat money sucklers to demand more "scene" and "hip" additions that only disgrace the orginal makers and creators of Final Fantasy as we know it. I for one will not buy FFT for PSP. I have one word for the people in charge of Square these days: Shame

This post has been edited by Butterfist on 20th January 2007 20:23

I don't really think they can add a class that would make the game any more unbalanced than it already is. And really, being a Final Fantasy game, what other class, which wasn't previously in the game before, would you add in other than a Dark Knight? It's a nice parallel to the other types of knights in the game, and a nice bonus since Gafgarion becomes unavailable after a point in the story.

Yep, companies make games for money.

Yes, Square is teh evil. Porting games with added features to handheld consoles is all a part of their master plan. It's a conspiracy!

Really, I'm just excited that (at least, if SE really does want to make a quality port) the game will receive a new makeover in terms of localization. Factor in a new character, new classes, better story sequences with voice acting, and the ability to play the game anywhere, and Square may very well create the best port they've done so far. So, I'm just going to hope it'll turn out well.

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One thing that Square is obviously doing is correcting their gruesome English translation. But, who in their right minds would pay $30+ bucks for correct English... Nonetheless, I'm excited, but honestly, Balthier fits in with the game more than Cloud... And Cloud doesn't fit in with the game at all...

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"You underestimate the strength of a Jedi's mind, Brejik. A mistake you won't live to regret, " -Bastila Shan(Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)

I personally love Baltheir in XII, he might even be my favorite ff character outside of Delita. Him being in the story when he's from another game really doesn't bother me, but I guess I understand why it does others. I like things like that though, I enjoyed Cloud in the psx version - it's not like he played a big, storyline changining role or anything, he was just an exra you could get if you wanted to. But I hope that Balthier does have an influential storyline part. I hope he's like an Izlude (one of the bad guys who really isn't a bad guy). And I like the Dark Knight being available as well, I hope that means they'll include holy and divine in there as well. And the onion knight, though the only onion knight i know is lulu's legendary weapon in X, sounds cool - I'm all for more classes. I also hope the story gets expanded, and I want to see Ramza draw his sword some more!

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Am I the only one, or when he drew it against Velius outside Orbonne, were you like "Hell yeah Ramza!" I mean, he busted out his blade ready to take on a demon one-on-one

Also....

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though it was one of my favorite parts in Tactics, when Vormav and Wiegraf kill everyone in the castle - I want to actually SEE them do it, vs just listening to their screams

EDIT: and are there pictures of the onion knight class as well? Or is it just a rumor at this point?

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Quote (Aether Master @ 20th January 2007 23:22)

One thing that Square is obviously doing is correcting their gruesome English translation. But, who in their right minds would pay $30+ bucks for correct English...

I would do so. The original localization was so terrible that I honestly had difficulty understanding the story at some points. I don't know about you, but I think it's a terrible thing that an elaborate story of war and treachery should be ruined by numerous grammar inconsistencies. To play FFT over again, with a new script, that is actually worthy of the story it's trying to tell, would be very enjoyable to me.

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True, but I was able to understand at least 75% of the story... I'm guessing Square Enix is going to be adding more Deep Dungeon-esque dungeons and more sidequests which should be fun...

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Quote (Zeromus_X @ 20th January 2007 22:15)

And really, being a Final Fantasy game, what other class, which wasn't previously in the game before, would you add in other than a Dark Knight?

Arc Knight (Zalbag's skillset), Sorceror (Kletian's skillset), Blue Mage, a real Red Mage, Berserker, Trainer, Mystic Knight, Gladiator, Necromancer, Cannoneer, something that uses spears for things other than Jumping, anything from Shotgunnova's Invent-A-Class thread, etc.

Yet another "use your sword to magically deliver death from above" character comes in somewhere between the Living Cabbage and Milkmaid character options.

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Quote (Zeromus_X @ 17th January 2007 20:01)

Just as long as he doesn't start off at level 1, I'd say it's awesome!

Agreed, this also may be one of the few reason to actually to get this game.

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And really, being a Final Fantasy game, what other class, which wasn't previously in the game before, would you add in other than a Dark Knight?

Arc Knight (Zalbag's skillset), Sorceror (Kletian's skillset), Blue Mage, a real Red Mage, Berserker, Trainer, Mystic Knight, Gladiator, Necromancer, Cannoneer, something that uses spears for things other than Jumping, anything from Shotgunnova's Invent-A-Class thread, etc.

Yet another "use your sword to magically deliver death from above" character comes in somewhere between the Living Cabbage and Milkmaid character options.

I'm sligtly tired of sword-related characters in tactics. Some of the invent-a-class characters are really clever too, and would break away from the monotony of the specialized FFT classes.

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I totally missed this news the last time I was in. Now I have to go out and buy a PSP just so I can play a game I already own.......damn those people

Please, please let there be a Blue Mage! That was the only thing missing from FFT, IMO. Well, that and the whole comprehensible translation thing.

Oh, and to red_beard_neo, you win the funniest quote of the week award!

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"Yet another 'use your sword to magically deliver death from above' character comes in somewhere between the Living Cabbage and Milkmaid character options." -red_beard_neo

what it better not do is: make different races available. That would infuriate me. DO NOT PUT THEM IN!!!!!!!!! Humans only!!!!!!

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I agree... last thing the game needs is a conglomerated, mulatto, MONGREL class - both races will be destroyed!!! But, in all seriousness, IDK if its worth the $40+ outta your pocket for a new character & a few "new" job classes. Whats the point when I can just, thx 2 Dark Alex, emulate the original on my PSP? Theyre gonna have 2 toss me more than that (more sidequests, better translation...) BTW, good site u guys got here - been using your resources for a while now.

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I wouldn't mind seeing some voice acting either as long as it's good.

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in the game, are there Arc Knight (Zalbag's Class), White Knight (First Wiegraf Class), Sword Knight (Islude Class), Lune Knight (Dycedarg Class), and Sorceror, Assassin, and Astrologist ? I Miss those class...

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in the game, are there Arc Knight (Zalbag's Class), White Knight (First Wiegraf Class), Sword Knight (Islude Class), Lune Knight (Dycedarg Class), and Sorceror, Assassin, and Astrologist ? I Miss those class...

Not really. Agrias' Holy Knight class has abilities identical to Wiegraf's, the Lune Knight is a combination of Agrias and Meliadoul, and Izlude is really just a regular Knight with Jump secondary so that's easy to make, but the rest only show up as guests and enemies in the PSX FFT.

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I wouldn't mind an Arc Knight class being attainable, with the same skillset as Delita's. Which is just a Divine Knight with a better title. Divine Knight wasn't too overbearing, expecially because it is useless against monsters. So making it available wouldn't be too ridiculous I don't think.

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Quote (KingDelita @ 31st January 2007 16:21)

I wouldn't mind an Arc Knight class being attainable, with the same skillset as Delita's. Which is just a Divine Knight with a better title. Divine Knight wasn't too overbearing, expecially because it is useless against monsters. So making it available wouldn't be too ridiculous I don't think.

Wait, what? Zalbag's Arc Knight skillset is Ruin Sword, which is different from Delita's Holy Knight skillset (Holy Sword, same as Agrias), both of which are different from Meliadoul's Divine Knight skillset (Mighty Sword, the one useless against monsters).

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Darn you Square. I hate you.

I'm adding Squenix to the list of gaming companies that make me buy a cosole solely for one game, right beside nintendo.

Cutscenes..... *drool*


The thought of the best storyline of any game in existance being more fleshed out is awesome.

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Quote (KingDelita @ 31st January 2007 16:21)

I wouldn't mind an Arc Knight class being attainable, with the same skillset as Delita's. Which is just a Divine Knight with a better title. Divine Knight wasn't too overbearing, expecially because it is useless against monsters. So making it available wouldn't be too ridiculous I don't think.

Wait, what? Zalbag's Arc Knight skillset is Ruin Sword, which is different from Delita's Holy Knight skillset (Holy Sword, same as Agrias), both of which are different from Meliadoul's Divine Knight skillset (Mighty Sword, the one useless against monsters).

lol. most people don't know it, but Delita in his king's garb has its own class in the game. He's an Arc Knight, and his skillset is Destroy Sword. If you have a gameshark, check it out for yourself.

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Quote (KingDelita @ 31st January 2007 23:28)

Quote (red_beard_neo @ 31st January 2007 16:45)

Quote (KingDelita @ 31st January 2007 16:21)

I wouldn't mind an Arc Knight class being attainable, with the same skillset as Delita's. Which is just a Divine Knight with a better title. Divine Knight wasn't too overbearing, expecially because it is useless against monsters. So making it available wouldn't be too ridiculous I don't think.

Wait, what? Zalbag's Arc Knight skillset is Ruin Sword, which is different from Delita's Holy Knight skillset (Holy Sword, same as Agrias), both of which are different from Meliadoul's Divine Knight skillset (Mighty Sword, the one useless against monsters).

lol. most people don't know it, but Delita in his king's garb has its own class in the game. He's an Arc Knight, and his skillset is Destroy Sword. If you have a gameshark, check it out for yourself.

Interesting. Seeing as he never shows up in battle in that garb, you have to wonder why they bothered giving him a skillset at all.

I've got a PS2 GS *somewhere*, but as I remember it you couldn't program new PS1 codes into it, you had to rely on preprogrammed schlock.

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I take this news as a double edged sword ( No pun intended). In my opion tatics was one of best final fantasy out there (second only to 6 of course). With the rich pluthera of charecters, and the lavish battle system where stratgy was actually invovled, it made the game over all very well rounded. I like the battle systemed of the game, although at first it was an annyoance learning how to just add new charecters in battle was way too much. In fact i can only find about two things i really didnt like about the game, one was the inclusion of cloud. I seemed like all the side quests in the game were linked to the sole event of getting cloud. That made the events seem alittle less than worth it, even though i myself have gotten cloud. The fact that his skills required him to use one sword and only one sword didnt help matters either. The other aspect was the fact that town exploration was non-existant. which was a pitty too because the few towns you actually did fight in seemed to be very well made. Plus it would of been a welcomed pause in the game to beable to visit shops and so forth.
Now for the other side of the spectrum, i will admit that there were some gramatical errors in the game which could be over looked it you focused on the story and not the spelling and so forth. But the inclusion of dark knight is heavily geared at "lack luster", i t will only cheapen gafgarion as a charecter to the story line. One of the reason for having story specifice charecters with specail job classes is because they are special people. If you take a class from one of those charecters and just give it to everyone under the sun you've in essence just made that charecter another random and generic charecter that has a minor story role. To me that cheapens the game and plot a little. plus if you look at the are closely enough you can see they did nothing more than pallet swap the class "lancer" or "dragoon" and added a darker persona to it. The sprits even seem to resemble the afore mentioned classes just with a different color shade. Plus the skills already implemented for the class leave something to be desired, i mean he had what four ablities or something like that. Not much of a reason to give use a whole new job set based off of that.
What they really need to do to draw in a crowd is to give us a new charecter and job class no one would ever expect (you sephiroth fans can sit down because he wont be present in the game ever.) They also need to have a charecter that would make sense for the time period and the story, not just some random FF charecter thrown in because fan boys want them in the game and because they are too uncreative to add someone completely new to the cast. Personally it wouldnt be that much of a strech to bring in montablanc. That irritated me that we had all the classic monsters and races but no moogles, just a pig like race thing. Even if they did make up for not having the race in there with a summon of a moogle it still didnt feel right.
With all that said i want to now touch on the job system in general, they really really need to do some tweaking to a few of the classes. Like the mages for example, if you had enough paitence and will power, you could have a mastered mage be the third story battle in the game. You could also have a summoner with a full aresonal of summons quickly. It is for this reason that i heavily believe that they need to go in and make mages skills harder to obtain, and they need to bring back the ablity to fight summons. Have them be new story battles or something, once you fight the battle though even then only certan summoners would beable to get them or something like that.

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Kinda like with zodiac

. Once they have the ablity to gain the summon, then your charecter should learn throught he jp system. Mage spells should be learned in a smiliar fashion to this as well. Maybe bring back the buying of spells or having to send your mages out on jobs or training missions to use there spells. Anyways enough with my rantings thank you to all those who read this far and sorry to bore you. later.


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L.A. I have no clue if you made any of the points I am about to make, but, the grammar in your post made my eyes bleed, sorry if I say the same thing twice...

I think that this whole 'remake; nonsense is a bit too overhyped. I mean, honestly, what can they give me that is new and exciting? While I would like to be able to use Dark Knight as a job set without having to edit the game, I don't think any of the classes that were unavailable were all that spectacular.

Lune(Rune) Knight, Divine Knight, Arc Knight, Knight Blade...all of these classes were basically copies of each other or of a pre-existing class that was tweaked to make it a bit more useful (useless?). I mean, what can I get from a Dark Knight that I can't just use Orlandu for? What advantage does an Arc Knight have over a Holy Knight? A Rune Knight over a Divine Knight? A White Knight is a Holy Knight minus Holy Explosion for heaven's sake!

Honestly, SE is disappointing me with this 'remake' and I can get more fun out of playing Phantom Brave. At least I can make my own jobs and titles and weapons with that game...now that's innovative!

And L.A. I wasn't trying to pick at you at all, but the whole lower case I and run-on sentence thing was seriously causing some confusion. If I offended you, send me a PM and I will apologize and try to make myself more clear.

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well seeing as how the arc knight skillsets have nothing at all to do with the holy knight skillset, I would say they have a lot over a holy knight. And sometimes, it's just the title, and a new graphic that makes it a nice addition, and I say addition, because a few new classes isn't all their adding - they're adding cutscenes with up to date graphics, and redoing the translation as well. They could have left the classes out completely, but they thought they'd give us a bit more. Please excuse them. I think people go a little to far with the: "square is just out to make us spend our money" conspiracy. The first game was amazing, so anything that improves on that is worth it to me.

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There's a few things that square could easily mess up, but I trust em not to. Obviously I share your fears, and no company has a perfect record in this aspect, but it's very possible these additions will be mostly positive.

What I'm worried about mostly is the whole 13th special character thing. Doesnt that kinda mess up the Zodiac Brave story?

seeing as everyone hated him in the game, im hesitant to ask this, but....

is cloud still in the game? i found him kinda useful, and was always one of my main people. i didnt care about his low level, as i had the best (before Deep Dungeon) armor and it kinda compensated for it. I really had no problem with the whole "Lets milk out FF VIIs popularity, as i own FF VII, AC, and dirge, and plan on getting Before crisis and Crisis Core.

so, i would like him in the game, if he still is. it was a fun sidequest

and, are there any other new classes/characters besides Dark Knight and Balthier? And what about the glitches? im assuming they've been fixed?

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I kind of hope the glitches stay. For someone who has played the game a thousand times over, I really don't like learning every single ability. But I'll live if they do.

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Can somebody explain me a thing ? The Balthier and Dark Knight will be available only as Special Characters, or will be Generics ?

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