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Well there has been much QB controversy for the Broncos fans (but none from mike shanahan). On whether Cutler should get a start. I was fine with Plummer being there the first 4 games, but if you look back, without javon walker he'd be lucky to have two touchdowns.

shortly after I realized that Shanahan's cockyness, which has worked for the broncos in the past, is finally getting the best of him. He's so cocky he keeps Plummer in.

and he was so cocky tonight that he had Plummer pass the ball (when the rush had been getting the chains moving, and the pass was practically worthless). If he wants to pass the ball, it's high time to go with the back-up. Plummer is just making too many bad decisions.

Open thoughts for discussion on;
Why Shanahan is keeping Plummer in, Why Cutler should Replace Jake, et cetera.

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Question is why is this even on here? If we are aloud to talk about individual teams and players then lets do it but I think we shouldn't cause no one outside Denver fans cares about this issue (except for fantasy owners too).

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if theres an nfl topic, this should go there, but anywho:

i dont like plummer at all. i know they lost today cuz LT is the greatest running back of all time, but the broncos still have a great record, 7-3 if im not mistaken. i dont see why cutler should start if the team is doing so well. i personally think he should start next year, or, if the broncos suffer a monumental collapse, very late this year.

im a bengals fan, so i know that cincy will be fighting with the 2nd placer of that division as the year progresses. ultimately however, im pretty indifferent about the denver QB question.

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Plummet is afantasy roster killer. You think he can produce, but he always lets you down in the clutch.

As a player, he's better than average in terms of skill. Trouble is, he's horribly inconsistent. This is what holds him back and keeps him in mediocrity. To be fair, though, next to noone could walk in Elway's shadow and be able to keep those Denver fans happy.

As a person, I think Plummet is a jerk. Flipping off fans... road rage incidents that he lies about.... He doesn't sound li8ke a genuinely nice guy.

If I were a Denver fan, I'd be ready to see the Cutler era begin right about now.

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If I were a Denver fan, I'd be ready to see the Cutler era begin right about now.

Pretty much.
The broncos had plenty of opportunities to win yesterday, but plyummer kept throwing to guys who were covered. (one play javon Walker was wide open, and only blades of grass separated him from the endzone.)

Playing against the chiefs would be a good game to start Cutler.

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As a participant in a few fantasy leagues I must say that Jake Plummer single handedly plunged what I thought would be a damn good fantasy team into the depths of mediocrity, nay, the cellar.

I mean, I drafted LT! And my team is still scraping the bottom. I think that they should give Cutler a shot. The snake is barely getting by. The only reason that the Broncos have the record that they do is the fact that there defense is so air-tight that nary a fart escapes.

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I LOL'd at that, GooseKnight. Excellent descriptive writing concerning the... um... tenacity of the Denver D.

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Guess what Gooseknight? You've just become a CS510 sig two-timer.

and sadly Shanahan apparently didn't get that third nut removed, and decided to Let Jake continue to be the starter.

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Why does this thread exist? This is only a concern to Denver Broncos fans, who don't even know the meaning of a quarterback controversy. This hooplah is only controversial because they had the same championship-mostly-losing-but-occasionally-winning quarterback for more than a decade and a half, and the mere thought of not having continuity in that particular position is an unfamilliar nightmare. If you want to know how it really feels to hate your quarterback, become a Redskins fan like myself. I could have made a "do you think Jason Campbell will solve the Redskins' QB problems?" thread, but I didn't. Because no one else would care.

And baralai, LT is not the greatest RB of all time. He's awesome to the extreme, and he's the reason I won CoN fantasy football last year, but he's no Jim Brown. 5.2 career yards per rush? LT hasn't averaged more than 5 over any two consecutive seasons, let alone an entire career. And I bet he sucks at lacrosse, too.

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Well, while it's not a "hot" topic, it's still getting views and good conversation generated in it, Lasz, so why does it bother you so? Are we to only start threads with topis that are guaranteed to generate tons of responses? This very site caters to a specific niche of gamers..... is it so wrong to have a thread that discusses a niche topic?

Besides, bashing Plummet is fun.

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Well, while it's not a "hot" topic, it's still getting views and good conversation generated in it, Lasz, so why does it bother you so? Are we to only start threads with topis that are guaranteed to generate tons of responses? This very site caters to a specific niche of gamers..... is it so wrong to have a thread that discusses a niche topic?

Very well, then. I will no longer bemoan the existence of this topic, but contribute by saying that this "controversy" is not a controversy at all, but rather a bunch of insignificant whining in Colorado.

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*raises hand*

I live in North Carolina.

QB controversies are fun, until they happen to your team. I really do think that Plummet's time is almsot up. I wish to God that my favorite team would get rid of our starter and let our backup take the lead role with the offense. Guess who my team is?

If you guessed the Atlanta Falcons, you would be correct. That big sucking hole you hear in Hotlanta is Vicks ego. Shaub is the pocket passes we so desperately need.

Cutler has a long career ahead of him. I say take that clipboard out of his hands and give him the nod. He will struggle at first, possibly, but in the long run it will pay off. My thoughts on it are that he could outplay Plummet if you put him on the field right now.

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Also from NC!

I think Cutler is going to eventually become known as the best pick of the '06 draft. He's got a shotgun for an arm, mobile enough in the pocket (but not enough to where he doesn't know when to stop wigglin' around behind the line and just THROW THE DAMN BALL...ala the "coach killer" in Atlanta) and he's intelligent enough to run Shanahan's offense. Which, no offense , is hand the damn ball off and run the stinkin' play-action.

Put him in! or trade him to Carolina to replace that bum Delhomme. Don't get me started on him...

This post has been edited by GooseKnight on 21st November 2006 22:27

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If you guessed the Atlanta Falcons, you would be correct. That big sucking hole you hear in Hotlanta is Vicks ego. Shaub is the pocket passes we so desperately need.

Well we could change the title to QB controversies to make it more general.

But I agree with you Hamedo, I've never liked Micheal Vick as a QB. And after seasons of poor performances he stays the starter. He can run that's, fine and dandy, I've been told he has a strong arm, that's good too, but all that doesn't add up to anything if you can't put it into the hands of a reciever.

Also Vick is easy to plan against, just ask the New Orleans Saints.

sadly Shanahan didn't get his third testicle removed and is still having Plummer start on thursday. After the game against San Diego this makes no sense. Plummer was throwing to every guy who was covered.
Shanahan's cockyness used to be a good thing. now it's draining the offense because he won't bench a QB who isn't performing. Hell, Brunell got benched and he was making Better decisions than Plummer.

Some reasons to put Cutler in. Last season he performed well on a team that was lacking in runningbacks, recievers, o-line. and pretty much everything else around him. He knows where to throw a ball when a man is covered. He could easily jump into the helm of any offense and perform. And why is Shanahan keeping him on the bench when he traded up several spots to get him?

This post has been edited by Cloud_Strife510 on 22nd November 2006 02:32

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I can sympathize, Lasz, as us Bears fans haven't had a great quarterback since Sid Friggin' Luckman (I know we like to pretend everyone on the '85 Bears was the best player to ever play his position, but McMahon gets more credit than he deserves because of his image.)

I know Plummer's not having a great year, but in general it's unwise to hand the reins to a rookie QB when you have a proven veteran, especially when you have a legitimate playoff team. If the Broncos were 2-8, by all means get Cutler some snaps. But if you want them to go anywhere in the playoffs, stick with the guy who's won a playoff game before (or even a meaningful bowl game, remember, Cutler played for Vanderbilt.) It's not a waste of a pick if he sits on the bench for a year or two. Look at Phillip Rivers.

As for Vick, If he's not appreciated in Atlanta, I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Bears uniform. It's not like he's had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne to throw to in Atlanta, yet he took them to the NFC championship game throwing primarily to (other than Crumpler) Peerless Price and Dez White. Matt Schaub is a very good backup, but I don't think he's an improvement over Vick.

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The problem with Vick though is that he is pretty much one dimensional. He is a phenominal athlete but he is not a great QB. He does not have good accuracy as a QB and only can do some much with his feet. The reason the Browns beat Atlanta (which should have never happened) was they focused more on Vicks running then his throwing. Now if he could learn to throw while he does all his scrambling he would probably be the best QB in the NFL but once he starts to scramble he is dead set on making the play on his own.

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*This post is off topic, as it doesn't pertain to Plummet. Perhaps "QB Controversy" really would be a better title.*

That's the perception that the mainstream seems to have about Vick, Gears. He's really special, he just hasn't had good receivers to throw to. I get so tired of hearing that, though.... Let's look at the facts.

One, Vick does have a cannon arm. He can throw friggin lasers. But his accuracy sucks! When you are throwing lasers, even good receivers won't catch them all. But when you are throwing lasers at peoples shoelaces, shins, or two feet behind them on a cross route, don't expect any catches at all.

Two, the guy is an ass. In every other QB's post game conference, they talk about the game, what they could have done better, how good the defense was that they played agaisnt, how good their team fought, that kind of thing. Not Vick. Vick is constantly adjusting his cocked-sideways hat and his bling necklace, sometimes repeating that he "has to look good for the camera/his fans/whatever". Recently, he has criticized Greg Knapp (the offensive coordinator), as well as his receivers, saying that "I'll keep throing it, and eventually they will learn to catch it". Classless asshole.

Three, he just doesn't get it. He doesn't know how to play. The coaching first said to him "Ok, Vick, we are going to run a west coast offense". That tanked. Then they said "Ok Vick, let's try something else. We want you to run it almost every play". That didn't work. Then they said "Alright Vick, we're running out of ideas. Let's make you a pocket passer". That worked all of two games before it got shot to holy hell. So then the staff says "Ok Vick, you have all kinds of mad skills and special talents, do whatever you want and run the opffense in whatever way you think will win it for us". To this, Vick went out and lost to the DETROIT LIONS AND THE CLEVELAND BROWNS.

Now, I know we don't have alot of time on the field to look at Shaub, but consider this: His lone start was last year against the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS. In this game, his first start in the NFL, he played arguably the best defense in the league. He threw for 3 TD's, no INT's, and over 300 yards. The game was lost, by all accounts, by the Atlanta D. I want that QB on my starting lineup, please. Chi-town can have him.

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I can only sympathize with Hamedo, and agree.

Atlanta's QB situation is terrible, they just need to cut Vick and then they could get a cheaper QB in free agency, even in the draft.

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Two, the guy is an ass. In every other QB's post game conference, they talk about the game, what they could have done better, how good the defense was that they played agaisnt, how good their team fought, that kind of thing. Not Vick. Vick is constantly adjusting his cocked-sideways hat and his bling necklace, sometimes repeating that he "has to look good for the camera/his fans/whatever". Recently, he has criticized Greg Knapp (the offensive coordinator), as well as his receivers, saying that "I'll keep throing it, and eventually they will learn to catch it". Classless asshole.

What ticks me off the most about this, is even though he throws the ball everywhere, even though he doesn't give a crap about his coaches or recievers, Vick's jersey has been sold the most. everywhere you go, you're guaranteed to see a Vick Jersey somewhere.

It's sad that so much physical talent is going to waste.
If he really cared about his team he'd practice throwing the ball as much as Peyton Manning.

and same goes for the overrated Eli.
He's just as inaccurate as vick, except he has Amani Toomer, Plexico Buress, and Jeremy Shocky, All of them Tall, fast, great hands. And Eli still manages to miss them.
Sad part is, the younger Hasslebeck could probably put it in the hands of those three, consistently.
Charger's fans are thanking their lucky stars he forced in a trade
#1 pick in the draft, and Eli already has four games this season with a lower rating than 50.

Eli, Vick, and Plummer all should be benched.
eli is just a horrible QB, Vick apparently needs glasses, and Plummer is having his worst season ever.

*Jake Plummer has become synonymous with "QB Controversy" *

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Sadly, I am the owner of a Vick jersey. I wish I had gone with Crumpler or Brooking instead now....

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Yes, sadly, Eli blows and as a Giants fan I now wish that we would have kept Rivers. Everything Eli does is lack-luster, he has no fire or a desire to win and honestly man, you can't be in love with the deep ball when the only healthy wide-out of any note on your team is Plaxico (who, I must say, rocks much ass). It doesn't take a genius to just go underneath and throw it to Shockey! Said TE is a beast. Look at the tattoos!

The Giants offense is not that hard to run (much like Denver). He's got weapons that he is n ot using. Though, I wonder how much of this is Coughlin and how much is Eli...?

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Eli has a lot of raw skill and pedigree. Being a QB is what he was born to do, much like Peyton.

I think his coach and the offense they are running is what hurts him, because it sure as hell isn't the tallent around him. An amazing RB, a great TE, and Plax in the field? This offense should be putting up 28+ a game, easy.

I look for Coughlin to be gone next year, sadly along with Tiki.

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It's just that he seems so disinterested. I do agree that he has the makings of a great QB (pedigree, freakin' cannon for an arm) he just seems confused and his passes were really off in the game against Jacksonville .

Most Giants fans wanted Coughlin's head last season and this year the team is turning against him. Not a good situation.

Oh, and on the actual topic...

Things are heatin' up in Denver! The Snake may be done and the kid from Vandy may be in. Do you think it will happen? Or is Shanahan too stubborn to admit his error?

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Jeezy Creezy, my New York Football Giants stink! Did you see that game against Tennesee?

This post has been edited by GooseKnight on 27th November 2006 04:17

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And down goes Plummer.

Shanahan is reportedly naming Cutler the starter for next week against the Seahawks. Have a seat on the bench, Snake. Your rattling days are over.

Also, GooseKnight, your words of the Giants' suckitude cuts me, but rings with truth. Why must Eli torment the fans so? Just when we thought we could get excited about our franchise quarterback achieving fruition, he starts playing even worse than his rookie season. At this rate, not only will the NFC East title be out of reach, but they have a pretty good shot of missing the playoffs. Face up, Big Blue!

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Poor Snake. Have fun slitherin' on the pine, buddy...here hold this clip-board.

Only the second coming of LT (maybe both of them, with Ladainian playing QB), the beheading of Coughlin, this shrunken head and some immaculate football ju-ju can save the G-Men now.

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the beheading of Coughlin, this shrunken head and some immaculate football ju-ju can save the G-Men now.

A new coach for the giants is in order. One who can whip Eli into shape, that may be an impossibility but with Toomer, Brress, and Shockey, as long as Eli doesn't underthrow them the giants offense can be secure.

I would have benched Eli by now if i was the Coach of the Giants.

Plummer supposively has been benched (hasn't been officially stated yet). It's about time
Madden was trying to say how it's a bad idea for a superbowl run, but when you're winning because of your Dfense it doesn't matter who your QB is. I welcome Cutler to the NFL against the Seahawks. Hopefully he puts up a good show, and the Broncos still make a Superbowl run.

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and Vick showed everyone his IQ earlier today. The Falcons need to either A, find a coach like Parcells who'll knock Vick's dick in the dirt Or B find a new QB

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Cloud_Strife510:  and Vick showed everyone his IQ earlier today. The Falcons need to either A, find a coach like Parcells who'll knock Vick's dick in the dirt Or B find a new QB

Agreed. I was amazed at the veracity the Atlanta fans showed him in their booing. I must say, though I am normally someone who says that you never, EVER boo your own team, he thoroughly deserved it. He is running (literally) us into the ground. And then flipping off the homecrowd fans? Classy.

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Plummer has been benched officially by the Broncos and Cutler will get the start.

Cutler to get the start

Well...we will see how far the rookie can take em I suppose. Me, I'm a Saint's Fan, always have been always will be, so I don't care either way.

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Sabin beat you to it, Nytecrawla.

I think the change wil lbe good for the team in the long run. Not sure how it'll pan out as far as immediate results are concerned, though.

I think by this time next year, no matter what happens this year, Denver fans will be glad for the switch.

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I th9ink by this time next year, no matter what happens this year, Denver fans will be glad for the switch.

I'm already glad that there's a switch.

but the season still isn't over. If the chains get moving Denver will make the playoffs.
and for all we know Cutler could be ready to hold his own in the superbowl.

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I would have benched Eli by now if i was the Coach of the Giants.

No offense, but I think that would be the dumbest possible thing the Giants could do at this point. Eli has struggled, that's for sure. But before this losing streak, he did show signs of excellence. The game against Philadelphia with the 27 point 4th quarter still resonates in my mind. And let's not be quick to pin ALL the blame on him. Remember, Eli does not play defense. The injury bug has nailed the Giants defense. I'd like to see any defense not take a hit when you lose your two top pass rushers and a prize jewel of a free agent in Lavar Arrington. Eli is not COMPLETELY to blame for all the Giants dysfunction right now.

Here are the reasons why they shouldn't and will not bench Eli. First of all, they traded a buttload to get him. Then when they got him, they threw a buttload of money at him. The Maras are not going to have their multi-million dollar man sitting on the bench unless he's severely injured. Second, who do you expect to take his place? The second-string quarterback of the Giants is Jared Lorenzen. This just in, Lorenzen has never thrown a pass in the regular season. I want the ass of ANY coach who benches a guy with the potential--and who has shown us that potential--that Manning has who has proven in games past that he can be a big game QB in favor for a quarterback who has never been in a game that actually counts. And number three, what would benching him prove? Eli's going through a bad streak. Believe it or not, every player goes through that. If players were benched every time they don't step it up for a couple of games, you'd see a LOT more benchings.

Eli is going to play through this. The Giants have put far too much into him to turn back now. Whether he comes back to life and charges Big Blue into the playoffs this year is another matter. But Eli will play. There is no QB controversy in New York. Well, not on the Giants side, anyway. Can't say much about the Jets.

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