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I just want to throw in here that I'm very skeptical about Gestahl's appearance as a playable character in this game. Leo is possible, as people are "confirming" his existence, but I'm doubtful. We still haven't heard anything about how to acquire Gestahl.

1. The background of the only in-battle pic showing both of these guys is WoB-only. See anything wrong yet? No other pics have been released. It's not bloody likely that they'd be available in the WoB so what gives?

2. But that menu pic gives Gestahl a portrait and a job! Well, let's see... Kefka also has a portrait in this game. Like FF4 and 5 Advance, major characters have been given portraits. It's plausible that Gestahl has one as well, and it's not hard to photoshop it in. As for the job of "ghost"... our good friends ????? and company, from the Phantom Train, have the same job title in FF6A. Coincidence? Summon is a dummied command which could easily have been hacked in. Gestahl has limited battle sprites, but it's easy enough to photoshop him in with a flail.

That should be enough, but there are other things I'm doubting. Notably, the menu pic shows highly-levelled characters after only 8 hours of play. This probably means a hacked/early version of the game. Leo has 9999 HP, but he can't equip Espers. Can someone confirm that his normal HP growth will bring him up that high?

I'm calling B.S. on Gestahl for the moment. I'm guessing it's a combination of Photoshop and rom hacking, which is not very hard to do. I'm waiting for MasterZED to comment on it (or for Djibriel to get his hands on a copy of the rom or somehow get some first-hand info from him). No disrespect to anyone here, but I've looked around a little and it's always the same 1 battle and 2 menu pics.

That said, the monsters and summons are definitely real. Jumbo Cactuar gives a +2 Speed bonus at level up. Gilgamesh apparently teaches Quick and a new spell named Brave. Czar (Kaiser) Dragon now exists and has a new sprite.

BTW, here's a video of the party fighting Gilgamesh in the Collosseum:

http://puka-world.com/php/upload/large/img...64557102521.wmv

This post has been edited by Jlombardi13 on 28th November 2006 04:58

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If any of this stuff is true I'm going to be monumentally pissed off. I do NOT want new characters. I do NOT want fanboy crap added to the game. I will buy the game to confirm these strange new things. If I find them to be true, I will correct the defilement of FF6 with a swift hammer stroke to the game catridge.

Square, sometimes, just sometimes, its better not to touch anything.

FFIVA was great - absolutely NOTHING changed though the course of ENTIRE game until the end. At the very, very end, that's when you saw new features. I'm hoping that FFVIA will have a 'Locke_Cole, we're sorry' gameplay mode in which nothing is changed. Not a single pixel out of place.

It's kind of sad when your favorite game in the world is getting butchered :\

I don't mind the new espers as much as some rediculous way to summon Leo O.o and Gestahl as a playable character. And I know what people are saying about Dj's first post. It just doesn't seem possible. And it looks like a rumor. Sorry Dj, if its true, its just too strange for me to believe until I have more proof.

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I agree with you guys a lot. Playing the game since 96' and memorizing everything with the enjoyment we all had, these new features just flat out ruin the entire game itself. People who have never played the game before and buy it will contend to beleive "that" is actually the real story. Bleh. Leo is dead. Let him be dead.

Same thing for FF4a. That is rediculous.. Palom/Porom, Yang, Cid, Tellah, FuSoYa, Edward all being playable at the end? How lame and such a shame to the original story. It maybe cool and all, but if you think back you will realize how messed up it is to modify such a brilliant game to a fanboy remake. Palom/Porom turned to stone saving Tellah, Yang, and Cecil. Leave them be.

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Palom/Porom were revived normally in the original game. It makes sense that they'd allow having all the characters they killed off simply to alter your party formation and create artificial drama and bothered to bring back playable in the remake. But actually bringing back a character who dies simply for some bizarre form of fanservice is really what's bothersome.

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Quote (Jlombardi13 @ 27th November 2006 23:33)

1. The background of the only in-battle pic showing both of these guys is WoB-only.

Leo has 9999 HP, but he can't equip Espers. Can someone confirm that his normal HP growth will bring him up that high?

Whoa... that's some excellent Sherlock Holmesing right there, JL.

Here's the deal, guys. Over at the Gamespot forums, they're saying this is already a pretty infamous and fake rumor, made worse by someone there perpetuating it for a couple of days. No one there has gotten either one of them, even though several have beaten the game.

Biggest tell? There are still only 15 character slots. 14 for the playable characters, 1 to aid in party-swapping. No room for two extra.

Believe it or not, I think we've been 1995-ed. The Leo rumors strike again -- but I'm 90% sure they're false. Again. A new game and the concept of possible extras make them more believable, I guess, but yeah. Not true.

http://www.gamespot.com/gba/rpg/finalfanta...5476&pid=930370



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Maybe it's because I didn't play the game until about three years ago, but I don't see all the big fuss over two characters potentially being in the game that weren't before. Yes, I know that they were supposed to be dead, but still. If it's that big of a deal, then don't get those guys, as it doesn't seem like the game forces you to use them. As for me, I'm excited about what I've seen in the Japenese game, an I eagerly await the game coming stateside.

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Alright hello everyone.

They've posted this hacked video of the Japanese Final Fantasy VI Advance version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8eZ0rmCCnI&eurl=



This basically completely nullifies all rumors, as now any screenshot is pretty much worth nothing, and with the 15 character slots there is no possible way Leo or Gesthal could be in.

Quote (Zeromus_X @ 28th November 2006 00:42)

Palom/Porom were revived normally in the original game. It makes sense that they'd allow having all the characters they killed off simply to alter your party formation and create artificial drama and bothered to bring back playable in the remake. But actually bringing back a character who dies simply for some bizarre form of fanservice is really what's bothersome.

What's the difference between allowing Tellah to be playable versus allowing Leo to be playable.

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Tellah wasn't playable in FF4 Advance.

In FF4 Advance, they brought back the ALIVE characters, who assisted you in conquering the Giant of Babil, which was Yang, Palom, Porom, Edward, and Cid.

Tellah stayed dead.

FuSoYa never rejoined the party. Golbez never joined the party either.

Holy crap.

I am so gonna start playing FF6aJ because of the new features. No more Vanish/Doom? Leo and Gestahl characters? I haven't been this surprised before with an FF remake. FF4a flat out sucked with the new features, FF5a didnt have too much but it was fun, but FF6a seems more interesting because they'll let you play as Leo and Gestahl. I wish FF5a would have let me play as the Dawn Warriors

I'm so overjoyed that it's just a rumor! xD I can sleep peacefully now.

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Wait, I'm confused. Is it a rumor, or not. I'm cool either way, but I do want to know.

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Tellah wasn't playable in FF4 Advance.

Ah cool. I was going by the info someone else posted earlier in this thread.

For the record I'm opposed to both Leo and Tellah's return. I guess. I don't really think I care that much in the end. They can make a million changes to any game as long as it remains fun.

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For the record I'm opposed to both Leo and Tellah's return. I guess. I don't really think I care that much in the end. They can make a million changes to any game as long as it remains fun.

As rarely as I seem to agree with you, I do this time. I actually just chuckle to myself when I see how bent out of shape people were getting in this thread; even running the bloody site, it just doesn't make that much of a difference to me.

I would like to see a list of the final confirmed adds sometime, though.

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I think there is a reasonable way to get to play as Kefka, Gestahl, or Leo: do it in a sidequest. The plot requires that Leo and Gestahl stay dead at the end, and Kefka is well, you know. There's absolutely no reason why the game couldn't include a prolonged sequence of Gestahl and Kefka invaded the Esper world, or Leo leading a charge against Doma - with the characters playable. Just not available.

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For the record I'm opposed to both Leo and Tellah's return.  I guess.  I don't really think I care that much in the end.  They can make a million changes to any game as long as it remains fun.

As rarely as I seem to agree with you, I do this time. I actually just chuckle to myself when I see how bent out of shape people were getting in this thread; even running the bloody site, it just doesn't make that much of a difference to me.

I would like to see a list of the final confirmed adds sometime, though.

I was talking with my friend about this. Why are people getting so annoyed over added bonuses just because it slightly changes what they've been used to for 11 years? Isn't that kinda' "the point" of it being a remake to begine with?

I understand getting annoyed about Leo and the General, but not any of the other added bonuses...

Also, I really hope it is a fake rumour. Starting a Leo rumour, just like old times. xD

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Ah cool. I was going by the info someone else posted earlier in this thread.

FYI, I never said Tellah got revived. >_> I apologize if I accidently implied that, though.

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I understand getting annoyed about Leo and the General, but not any of the other added bonuses...

Well, yeah, reviving General Leo is a pretty big deal! Thankfully that turned out to be a rumor, and I can rest easily now...

And how can anyone complain about added dungeon/equipment/Espers?

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Quote (Mu the Squirrel @ 29th November 2006 14:47)

I understand getting annoyed about Leo and the General, but not any of the other added bonuses...

Well, yeah, no one was really complaining about the other bonuses though. It was pretty much Leo and Gestahl. And while I personally wouldn't lose any sleep over it, I'm sure what made a lot of people attached to FFVI was the story and a move like this would cheapen it in some ways. I would still play it just to check it out but I prob wouldn't think of it as canon.

Looks like the new (leo and gestahl) characters are rumors, which is good becouse that whould really mess up the story. The other extras look like fun.

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I'm so overjoyed that it's just a rumor! xD I can sleep peacefully now.

Agreed. There is no reason to have either of them.
and I have never wanted them in my party.

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Well, yeah, no one was really complaining about the other bonuses though.

It was a generalisation not just about people here. Some have been pretty nnoyed about the Vanish/Death thing being gone. =P I find that funny, complaining they can't be cheap when a boss is tough. xD

Okay, what I wanna know is: Are Gau's rages fixed?

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Yep, add me to another person on the list of those happy that these were just rumors.

Just for the record, while I've only played the first 30 minutes of the new release so far (I'm @ work, so I'll be playing it more tonight, though), the first thing I did was check the Master Guide book that just came out for the GBA release.

If Leo/Gestahl was true, you'd think they'd be mentioned in the guide. They're not.

This post has been edited by Kurohime on 30th November 2006 05:29

I hope the script is different. Well guess what? it will be here on february.

Curse you Djibriel for spreading rumors! It's the last thing we need after having survived the rumors of FF3.

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Curse you Djibriel for spreading rumors! It's the last thing we need after having survived the rumors of FF3.

Um, he didn't start them, and I'm sure he was hearing them from sources he respected as much as we respect him around here. Not the most keen first post ever, if you ask me.

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Apologies, then, but my point still stands since he obviously isn't the only one reading it. -R51

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I accused him of spreading the rumors, not starting them.

Edit: It was also a joke. Djibriel and I have known each other for some time now. I'm sure when he reads it, he'll interpret it how I intended it to be.

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Well, unfortunately, after much searching for further proof, I came across nothing more than a picture of Gestahl and Leo in a party, and them in a battle, but nothing more, and I have not found anything that specifies what to do to get Gestahl, so, for right now, I am deeming this rumor. As a matter of fact, I am currently running (blindly because I have no idea what the items I have are) through a jap FF6A, trying to see if I can't prove or disprove the rumor, mainly going for Leo, as there is no current method to get Gesthal. I am just past the burning house in Thamasa, and hopefully, will make it to the WoR tomorrow.
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This is a weird comment but...

On the FF6 Advance Japanese website, Diablos is listed as a fourth new summon. In the FFVI Advance master guide, there's no mention of Diablos, but instead Cait Sith is listed.

I wonder if that's a misprint (it's not marked "NEW" -- meaning new esper for the Advance version).

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This is a weird comment but...

On the FF6 Advance Japanese website, Diablos is listed as a fourth new summon. In the FFVI Advance master guide, there's no mention of Diablos, but instead Cait Sith is listed.

I wonder if that's a misprint (it's not marked "NEW" -- meaning new esper for the Advance version).

Not a misprint. In the original, Stray Cat was known as Cait Sith. They're merely restoring his name to the original.

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Ah! Thanks for clarifying that! I've never played the original Japanese version before this, but that definitely clears it up.