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Despite Sony's claims that the PS3 would be backwards-compatible and hence capable of playing games from the PS1 and PS2 consoles, it turns out that several games from both systems are producing errors in the PS3...and that Sony knew about this.

The problem was announced on its Japanese page November 11, the day the console went on sale in that country. The problem is expected to persist in the US version of the console.

When an incompatible game is placed in the PS3, strange sounds or images may result. Some games will simply not function at all. Sony refuses to list the incompatible games or give an estimate of how many will not work (Reuters, however, claims that the number is about 200). However, a search function on the webpage allows users to find out if a particular game will function properly. Among games that won't work? Final Fantasy XI, Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams, Tekken 5, and, one of my personal favourites, Silent Hill 2.

SCE spokesman Fukuoka Satoshi apologized for the problem, but claimed that it was unavoidable. [Insert some iceburg metaphors here.]

Source: AOL news, Gamespot

I've taken some knocks from you guys for my negative Sony postings before, but...wow. Try to find some good in this.

This might have undone my decision to purchase a PS3.

This post has been edited by karasuman on 14th November 2006 18:44

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my japanese ps3 is working just fine. maybe the problem is only in certain copies of some of the games.

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Oh, Sony. Sony, Sony, Sony. When will you learn? I would much rather have a company who is honest about the lack of backwards compatability on their system, so they list the games that they know won't work. Way to leave the possibility of buying a game that you won't even be able to play on your new console, not even telling people about the problem until the day of launch.

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Well, I think first there's going to need to be a list of games in other locales that are affected by this. It seems as if maybe the list won't be identical to the Japanese list, or else people would be translating it as we speak (...are they?). Maybe the problem isn't as significant as it seems in the US or Europe?

I agree that they probably could and should have done more to ensure backwards compatibility, but the problem is that there's no way to avoid problems when you're doing this kind of thing. The hardware's just too different. Besides, it's hardly unprecidented - I'm sure the number of games affected was smaller back then, but there were PSX games with critical errors on PS2 as well.


So, the PS3 did launch, then?


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They do intend to fix it with a software update according to the BBC, which those sources miss out or don't seem to know. CNN also states this.

Aside from that, nothing else from me on the matter.


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Well I heard at TV an hour ago that they sold out their 100k PS3 in Japan. ;/

Since we got a PSX, and 3 PS2, I doubt that will prevent my brother from buying his PS3 since he already bought his High Definition TV.

As for me, I never really played the PS2 so I doubt I will with the PS3; the games doesn't look worth it.

It sure is a bad thing for those who wanted to buy just a PS3 and not the PS battlechest pack including a PSX, PS2 and a PS3. /joking

This post has been edited by Zodiac on 14th November 2006 19:17

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WHOA! That is not good, that is not good at all. What if Sony is doing this so people have to download their favorites instead of just throwing them inside their new PS3? This is just shitty!, but whatever, if I wanted to play an old psONE or PS2 game I just use the PS2.

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"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

This has the potential to be one of the coffin nails of Sony in this generation of the console wars. Any word on FFT for the PSX working on the PS3 or not?

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Quote (Hamedo @ 14th November 2006 19:50)

This has the potential to be one of the coffin nails of Sony in this generation of the console wars. Any word on FFT for the PSX working on the PS3 or not?

i just checked just for you and it worked. see i can be nice to you maybe you should start to be nice to me.

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moetsuki
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Well this doesn't effect me (at least not right now) because I don't want one right now, but many of my friends are going for the PS3, and they won't be too happy to hear this news.

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Here's a compiled list of all known incompatible games. How reliable this is, I can't say. But they do follow a common theme with HDD games. It's mostly forum gathered, so always take it with a grain of salt.

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This happened with the XBOX 360 too. They put out a list of games that were/weren't compatible, and of course it wasn't completely accurate. This isn't the omg Sony is the worst company in the world some people would like to make it out to be.

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Quote (The Ancient @ 14th November 2006 16:25)

This happened with the XBOX 360 too.  They put out a list of games that were/weren't compatible, and of course it wasn't completely accurate.  This isn't the omg Sony is the worst company in the world some people would like to make it out to be.

Right. Let's ignore the fact that Sony already knew about these problems before release-date and didn't bother notifying anyone of it. Let's ignore the fact that their Playstation series has always had issues in Generation 1, showing a history of terrible QA and customer experience. Let's finally add a big red herring comparing it with another system's issues, and pointing out that just because the competition sucks means that Sony doesn't suck so much.

I'd parody your post, but it was pretty good on its own.

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Visions of Peace - Four Generals, One Empire, and the Returners caught in the middle.

Yeah, I still like to see how it goes before I buy either one.

Although When I went into target to see if they had stocked FFIII 12 people were already waiting in line for the PS3

P.S. If the next Super Smash Brothers turns out to be online you'll all know which console I bought.

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I've been buying Nintendo products forever and not once have I been able to play an old game on a new system. Did I expect that on launch the PS3 would play every PS1 and PS2 game flawlessly? No. Why not? I'm a realist not an idiot. Did I expect their supply would meet demand? No. Same reason. Did I expect their product at release to be flawless and bug free? No. Noticing a pattern?

So enough of this Sony is an Evil Empire nonsense that is sweeping the gaming community. Don't act like you won't buy the system, you will and you'll like it because they'll make amazing games for it. And if did want it but aren't buying it now because of principle you are just shooting yourself in the foot and there is nothing impressive about that.

And if I'm wrong and a year from release the Sony PS3 has no games and is utter crap then I'll deal with it. It's not the first time I've been dissapointed with a video game product: I own an N64.

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Needed some clarity apparently

This post has been edited by The Ancient on 17th November 2006 19:19

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I own an N64.

I love that caveat there at the end. I don't understand why it is there, but I loved it.

Your thoughts have merit, but I would liken all corporate moguls unto "evil empires". Sony is no different.

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Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 12:11)

I've been buying Nintendo products forever and not once have I been able to play an old game on a new system. Did I expect that on launch the PS3 would play every PS1 and PS2 game flawlessly? No. Why not? I'm a realist not an idiot. Did I expect their supply would meet demand? No. Same reason. Did I expect their product at release to be flawless and bug free? No. Noticing a pattern?

Nintendo never once, up until the Wii, billed their products as backward-compatible. If I buy a Wii and discover that it can't play one of my GC games, am I going to be upset? Definitely. Would I be an "idiot" for expecting that not just a promise, but a major selling point advertised by the manufacturer turn out to be true? In your world, yeah, I guess so.

This entire situation is a bunch of cock and bull. This problem was "unavoidable", was it? Then how are you going to fix it with updates released later? Why did you hide it until the last minute, when you knew that it was too late for the vast majority of the people who had placed pre-orders? Wait, I think I just answered that one myself.

This is a clear, cut-and-dry case of Sony making claims about their product that they just couldn't produce. And you'd have it be the consumer's fault for believing them! Sorry, buddy, but the gaming world hasn't quite gone the way of politics--we may have given up on campaign promises, but I'll be damned if product descriptions turn out to be just another pleasant lie.

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Quote (karasuman @ 17th November 2006 13:24)

Would I be an "idiot" for expecting that not just a promise, but a major selling point advertised by the manufacturer turn out to be true?

PS3's major selling points are that it's a next gen console with high end graphics, more processing power, seamless online gaming, wi-fi...

Backwards combatabilty is a feature not a major selling point. That's just ludicrous.

"Buy this system for 600 and you can play games you can already play!"

Are you honestly saying that you refuse to buy a next-gen system because it forces you to keep another system around if you want to play games from it? Are shelf-space/input connections that important to you? It's not even like the list of games it won't play is signifigant and that list that's been linked on the page is filled mostly with minor stuff like "slight audio glitch" or "pauses during FMV".

I'm not saying it's right that they said it would play games and than it fails to do so completely, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill here.

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You know what's funny? Rabid fanboys that don't realize what they are. They make blithering, ignorant arguments that fly off the cuff all the while maintaining their righetous indignation. It's absolutely hilarious. When I said I couldn't parody your post, it wasn't a challenge for you to do better! But here you are, outperforming yourself.

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 13:11)

I've been buying Nintendo products forever and not once have I been able to play an old game on a new system. Did I expect that on launch the PS3 would play every PS1 and PS2 game flawlessly? No. Why not? I'm a realist not an idiot.

So you're saying that when Sony promised backward compatability, just like they did with the PS2, we're idiots for accepting their statement? That we're idiots for not defending a company that blantantly lies to its customers? Do you always defend liars with this inane line about realism?

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 13:11)

Did I expect their supply would meet demand? No. Same reason.

Look at eBay! Who would have possibly expected this? Or are you grasping at straws for word count?

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 13:11)

Did I expect their product at release to be flawless and bug free?

The gall of consumers, expecting a company to sell a defect-free product!

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 13:11)

No. Noticing a pattern?

Yes. I'm noting your blatant apologism, terrible logic and inability to see flaw with a company that doesn't give a damn for you. You're a rabid, blind consumer that will eat up everything Sony feeds you and when it turns out to be lies, defend them stalwartly.

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 13:11)

So enough of this Sony is an Evil Empire nonsense that is sweeping the gaming community.

How did you even jump into this topic? You've been defending the PS3's faults, and suddenly you use that as a shield for Sony's actions? Sony's an evil empire for hundreds of other reasons, including DRM, root-kits, terrible customer support and a PR department that doesn't apologize even when its lies are totally exposed.

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 13:11)

Don't act like you won't buy the system, you will and you'll like it because they'll make amazing games for it. And if did want it but aren't buying it now because of principle you are just shooting yourself in the foot and there is nothing impressive about that.

And if I'm wrong and a year from release the Sony PS3 has no games and is utter crap then I'll deal with it. It's not the first time I've been dissapointed with a video game product.

I own an N64.

An irrelevant ending to a post filled with distortions, ignorance, and blind loyalty.

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It's a major selling point because:

1. If you already own a PS2, you can slightly offset the cruel and unusual cost of a PS3 by selling your old hardware while keeping your games, and
2. If you're a first time Sony buyer, you gain access to a huge back-catalogue of releases to tide you over until someone makes a good game.

And yeah, shelf space is increasingly at a premium for some people, as are TV input ports. This point alone wouldn't put me off buying something, but it's a hassle. I already sigh every time I look under my TV at the S-Video switchbox I've ended up having to buy and the cables spewing out of it, and only two of the things connected to my TV are consoles.

Calling me a Sony fanboy is just absurd. I haven't purchased a sony gaming console ever. I was just trying to argue that if you let this one little thing(and it is a very little thing) be the end all "Screw you sony! I'm not buying your product" then you are a fool. But go ahead and boycott, I won't lose any sleep over it.

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I would just like to weigh in to say that arguing about it is really stupid. To each their own.

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Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 19:16)

Calling me a Sony fanboy is just absurd. I haven't purchased a sony gaming console ever. I was just trying to argue that if you let this one little thing(and it is a very little thing) be the end all "Screw you sony! I'm not buying your product" then you are a fool.  But go ahead and boycott, I won't lose any sleep over it.

umm this may sound silly but how did you play the final fantasy games
post snes/pc?

I base my console purchases based on what games i want to play
not fanboyism

and by deduction you must also be a big final fantasy fan
so would't it be wise to buy your first sony console
and play some of the awesome rpg games released for it like

suikoden, breath of fire, star ocean and dq

I mean the sony consoles have the best choice of rpg games for the last two generations

and no this is not fanboyism, it's rpgism

This post has been edited by john aiton on 17th November 2006 20:30

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 15:16)

Calling me a Sony fanboy is just absurd. I haven't purchased a sony gaming console ever.

See, that's the thing. Despite your assertions to the contrary, you have done nothing but defend Sony's actions. They're not even good excuses, just blatant apologism. That's what I was getting at when I said you had no idea what you are: the blind favoritism of a rabid fan.

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 15:16)

I was just trying to argue that if you let this one little thing(and it is a very little thing) be the end all "Screw you sony! I'm not buying your product" then you are a fool.

If you were arguing just that, you wouldn't have brought up the asinine line about supply, would you? You wouldn't be excusing Sony's inability to deliver a defect-free ability, would you? You wouldn't call everyone idiots for expecting Sony to live up to their promise, would you?

Stop moving the goal posts. At some point, you got pissy over the fact that people dislike Sony, which is why you ranted about this evil Sony Empire BS (ignoring the real reasons why people dislike Sony and instead harping about the PS3 instead). Then when you're called out on your illogic, you try pretending you never said anything but "Backward compatibility isn't a big deal!" Enough of the dishonesty! If you have a bone to pick with people that hate the 'Sony Empire', educate yourself on Sony Entertainment's actions first, especially the root-kit fiasco. The PS3's latest misgivings is just the latest in the long line of failings.


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Visions of Peace - Four Generals, One Empire, and the Returners caught in the middle.

Aw. Well that's rather disappointing.

I mean, of course there were some errors with handful of PS1 games on the PS2, but this seems like another thing altogether. Still, I guess it isn't exactly surprising.

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Unfortunately, top dog always has more license to arrogance. When Nintendo completely dominated the market over a decade ago, they ruthlessly wielded their clout against third-party developers and retail stores. Further reading: David Sheff's Game Over (1993).

Nintendo's not immune to screw-ups either: next year Nintendo will release a Wii that has DVD playback. In the end, though, software makes a game machine, and there's really no comparison to Nintendo's in-house developers. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros., Star Fox, Donkey Kong, and F-Zero? Every game I own for the original PlayStation is an RPG by Square; on the other hand, I own something from every genre on the N64 and I clocked more hours into that wonderful system than any other.

Having said all that, Sony is still the very essence of bloated corporate greed, and I hope they're knocked off their precarious position of leader in the console wars. And I hope it's the Wii that does it.


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Well if they can fix it somehow whats the problem, i mean, wii cant play dvds yet and theyre going to release one that can.

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Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 15:16)

Calling me a Sony fanboy is just absurd. I haven't purchased a sony gaming console ever.

See, that's the thing. Despite your assertions to the contrary, you have done nothing but defend Sony's actions. They're not even good excuses, just blatant apologism. That's what I was getting at when I said you had no idea what you are: the blind favoritism of a rabid fan.

Quote (The Ancient @ 17th November 2006 15:16)

I was just trying to argue that if you let this one little thing(and it is a very little thing) be the end all "Screw you sony! I'm not buying your product" then you are a fool.

If you were arguing just that, you wouldn't have brought up the asinine line about supply, would you? You wouldn't be excusing Sony's inability to deliver a defect-free ability, would you? You wouldn't call everyone idiots for expecting Sony to live up to their promise, would you?

Stop moving the goal posts. At some point, you got pissy over the fact that people dislike Sony, which is why you ranted about this evil Sony Empire BS (ignoring the real reasons why people dislike Sony and instead harping about the PS3 instead). Then when you're called out on your illogic, you try pretending you never said anything but "Backward compatibility isn't a big deal!" Enough of the dishonesty! If you have a bone to pick with people that hate the 'Sony Empire', educate yourself on Sony Entertainment's actions first, especially the root-kit fiasco. The PS3's latest misgivings is just the latest in the long line of failings.

Dude, relax. Just because he's pointing out that he sees a pro-Nintendo, anti-Sony slant in the News section doesn't mean he's intentionally setting out to be dishonest. He's pointing out something I've noticed too.

And lest I be accussed of being a "rabid Sony-fanboy," I was leaning towards a Wii out of all the next-gen consoles myself. But I can't help but notice that even in the contrasting of opening day sales the Wii's was made out to be a glorious day of peace and harmony while Sony was made out as a promotor of discord and riot.

This post has been edited by MetroidMorphBall on 20th November 2006 17:19

Quote (MetroidMorphBall @ 20th November 2006 12:02)

But I can't help but notice that even in the contrasting of opening day sales the Wii's was made out to be a glorious day of peace and harmony while Sony was made out as a promotor of discord and riot.

In fairness, I didn't hear anything on the news of robberies and people being shot over Wii. I think the global perspective you note isn't without merit.

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