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the game ff tactics reminds me of a high tech game of what other then.... chess
do you think this game is based solely on strategy like chess or can anyone no matter how strategically challenged they are be able to beat it.....

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Ye know, that's actually an interesting way to look at it, although in chess, ye ALWAYS face an opponent who's better than ye (at least that's MY experience, anyway ).

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I prefer Tactics to chess, for the simple reason that each "piece" has no definitive role and the battlefield isn't a perfect tract of level ground. Now, if you really want to overhaul chess to be on par with this game, you'd better add in a few special skills, some land obstacles (lava, acid, mud monster pits) and then add in some defenses. But I digress...

Tactics is full of strategy, and while some people harness it so much that it's like shooting fish in a barrel, it's not quite so easy for others. If you're not familiar with the series' mainstays, you probably don't know the ins and outs of equipment overlapping. Again, as not to say that you automatically suck if your feet drag a little, but there is a given degree of expertise that really factors in; if you have it, you succeed and have a more enjoyable time than if you're half-clueless for the whole duration.

So, yeah, anyone can probably succeed given a bit of trial and error, but it's those curveballs (Riovanes!) that can really present an exercise in futility. If you have a decent grasp on the knowledge, you'll be able to bypass a few of those sticky parts. Of course, things like the Finath River storyline battle are always annoying no matter how well adjusted you are to the dynamics.

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I prefer Tactics to Chess mainly because it allows a little more of an advantage.
You can change jobs, allowing you to move differently, you do different things and lets face it Chess is a black and white board... and tactics is a pixelated background... which would you prefer?!

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Wow, they should make a version of chess whats like Final Fantasy Tactics. Classes and different abilities might actually make me like chess.

I definitely prefer FFT. Chess is just too strategic for me.

This post has been edited by Kimahri on 27th September 2005 20:41

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eh?

I definitely prefer Tactics to Chess. There is just more there.

As for the question of whether anyone can win in Tactics, I'd say yes. With a few exceptions the battles are not so difficult

Shotgun hit the nail on the head. Although FFT can be a challenge, if you level up enough and use your strong characters, every battle in the game is simple. With chess you have pre determined roles and movement capabilities which must be followed. In FFT you can change movement capabilities no matter what class (ie teleport, move/jump +1,2,3, float, ignore height....) and take advantage of the field for each map.

But I do compare FFT to chess more than any other game because you are limited eventually on movement and other capabilities.

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Tactucs us better. But their almost the same thing.. Except that chess is limited. Tactics allows you to bring in whoever you want. But chess forces you to use one best mover, six average movers, and the rest are all useless movers which can be

This post has been edited by NeoEx-Death on 5th October 2005 16:58

I prefer chess. The comparisons are obvious since your playing a turnbased strategy game on a grid. Thats about it though.

Also, the idea of 'RPGing' chess and sexing it up abit with fighting rules is not new. I've seen a few different variations, commercial and homebrewed. But you can't better the ancient minds, chess is perfect as it is.

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Tactics over Chess here but i think they should remake tactic like i mean better graphics and more story line and mabye bigger army also more than 5 on the field (and no Tactics advanced is not a remake).

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Chess and FFT? You have to support each piece/character, back them up, piece/character formation...

But still...
Chess over Tactics. You start on equal grounds and equal armies. So you'll really know who's the better player.

I have played a fair bit of chess but that was untill I realised it really isn't very strategic at all, rains could slow your bishop down and before you know it three of his pawns would of ambushed your knights and one of your rooks would of become a turncoat.
Then again FFT can be a little simple if you lvl up enough.

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Hmmm. Tough question. I'll probably take Tactics over Chess simply because of the imagination factor. I mean, would you rather see a Black Mage roast a Knight with a Fire 4 Spell, or a Bishop take a Pawn?

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I have played a fair bit of chess but that was untill I realised it really isn't very strategic at all, rains could slow your bishop down and before you know it three of his pawns would of ambushed your knights and one of your rooks would of become a turncoat.
Then again FFT can be a little simple if you lvl up enough.

They both have lots of strategy. With FFT, ye get to deal with the same ol' AI over and over. The strategy comes with effectively building up your characters with different abilities; though the battles are the same, different jobs mean different strategies. With chess, all the pieces may be the same, but the players are not. With each different opponent comes a different playing style and, in turn, a different strategy that may be required to overcome that opponent. On top of that, your opponent ain't no stagnant AI; he/she gets better and learns different strategies (or "gains exp and job points" so to speak) as he/she continues to play, jest like you.

In reality, I don't quite understand the example ye cited, RB. Are ye saying how the pieces move is an example of Chess's lack of strategy? If so, that's like saying moving a squire and whacking a goblin with his sword is a strategy.

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When I was playing Shining Force 2 a lot I started thinking that it was a rival for chess because I put so much refinement into my battle formation in the video game. Maybe it is a rival.

As for FFT, I'd have to say 'kind of.' I hand it to Square for putting some real challenges in the game such as the 'Chocobo Death Matches' as I dubbed the battles that sometimes happen at Finath etc. The customizing of characters takes a lot of organizational skill and creativity.

However, I don't think I can call FFT better than chess. Maybe if FFT had more players or somehow added in extra tactical goodness (don't ask me how) then I would reconsider, but with world chess masters and geniuses playing supercomputers and straining the limits of human mental capacity and FFT players like me levelling up for a future battle, I have to side with tradition.

Answer: So yeah, anyone who levels up enough can own in Tactics.

P.S. I'd consider the best Street Fighter games to be the most serious challenges to chess.


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