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And by cool, I mean not including his fighting stats.. But his looks, quotes, desparation, etc.

To me, he seems like someone who tries too hard to be cool. And in other FFs, the thief in the story always fails miserably at life. (Example: Zidane, Rikku, Edge, etc.) (Well, maybe not Edge.)

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This post has been edited by Kimahri on 25th September 2005 20:59

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eh?

I'm surprised that this is even a question. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that Locke isn't cool, at least not out loud.

To me, Locke is so-so. He's sort of funny, but I have a feeling that the thief-treasure hunter stuff loses a little in translation. His best moment is comic relief on board the ship to Thamasa.

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Locke tries. Not to be cool, but to somehow make himself worthy. He doesn't strike me as a person who's out seeking popularity or trendiness (he's a thief treasure-hunter, anyways, and wouldn't really benefit from that). On the other hand, he's more so seeking meaning in life.

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Especially since Rachel died, he's felt guilty, in a sense, and has kinda vowed to protect whatever damsels-in-distress may come his way. Which of course explains his actions toward Terra and Celes.

If you're going for 'coolness', think Edgar instead. He acts much more (than Locke) like the high school dude who aims to be popular with the ladies.

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He was never cool; he just acted like an asshole, and there's that handful of people who appreciate that personality.

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Looks: I like both his sprites and his orginal art from Mr. Amano, so yeah, he's cool.

Quotes: I'm not exactly a big fan of some of the stuff he comes out with, but he's not as bad as some of the other characters.

'Desparation': Desperation, maybe? I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but he does have a lot anxieties that weigh heavily on him. At times, he does reach a point where he is sort of in that desperate mode.

Overall: Yeah, he's okay. I like other FFVI characters better than him: Edgar, Shadow, Cyan, in the man department.

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Locke is cool
there isn't a doubt about it
he respects women, he dresses for the situation at hand, he can steal, and he never breaks his word.

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I don't think persay he is going for "cool". He seems to bo going for acceptance

In my opinion, Locke is about as cool as a sunburn. Personality wise, he dwells on something he had no control over, obsesses with protecting women and overall is far to sensitive for my likings. You want cool? Try Shadow. Now THERE's a badass.
Personally, I used Locke only when I had to in the game and when I did? I made sure he was KO'd and stayed that way.

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yes locke is cool he is nice to the ladies and yet he breaks the rules....
whatn type of question is that
just kidding..

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KAME: I meant "desparation" as his Mirager Desparation attack. I just said it short because I was in a hurry. About his desparation attack? The way the effects/graphics look when he casts Mirager.. You get me, right?

Is he cool? Huh, kind of a weird question. And... vague. If you mean if I simply like him, then yeah, without question. He's my favorite character.

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In my opinion, Locke is about as cool as a sunburn. Personality wise, he dwells on something he had no control over, obsesses with protecting women and overall is far to sensitive for my likings.

I find it interesting that those are the reasons you don't like him, because that's exactly why I do. Shadow is "cool", but Locke has major flaws and he shows them. The characters that are the most damaged at the ones I find myself liking the most, because they often are the most complex. I like characters with layers, you know? He may not be an aloof assassin with a bigass dog, but he has enough issues to keep me plenty entertained.

So uh, is he cool? Um, depends on your definition really. xd

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I think Locke is t3h |_|-63r-c00|_z0rz. He's my favorite character from FFVI, and one of my favorite male characters ever. Like Radia said, he has faults and isn't content to just keep them bottled up like Shadow obviously does, and his personality is just awesome.

Yay for Locke.

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I'm surprised that this is even a question. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that Locke isn't cool, at least not out loud.

Locke is not cool. He's angsty. There is an inverse relationship between the two. Teenagers don't seem to know that.

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Angst characters>all, but I don't think Locke is really Angst....

I like Locke as a character, he was probably the foundation for that character Zidane.

And his Limit Break (I believe that is what it's officially called now) rocks, saved me so many times...

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I don't care much for Locke, myself. He's okay, I suppose; not a loser, but not OMG teh kewl. Something in-between.

I certainly wouldn't say he's angsty though. He isn't constantly anxious or distressed - in fact, he's quite optimistic and outgoing. Sure he displays sorrow over losing Rachel, but he eventually gets over it just fine and moves on. No foreboding attitude or noticeable apprehension from him. Really, there's a fine line between a little depression and angst. Many people in general don't seem to know that either.

As for Locke's Mirager desperation attack (not 'limit break', just to nitpick), it's not one of my favorites visually. Like all of 'em, it does extreme damage, so perhaps that counts for something...or not.

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I like Locke as a character, he was probably the foundation for that character Zidane.

Let's catalogue the Similarities

Both are theives:
-Zidane is a thief, and makes no excuses for it
-Locke is a thief, but justifies it with a twist of semantics to avoid admitting he's doing something wrong by robbing people blind.

Both have a love interest because they saved the Damsel-in-Distress
-Locke and Celes fell in love because he robbed a guy who was sleeping after she was tortured, and a various other series of events that doesn't make any sense. Then Celes didn't betray Locke, and were never able to repair their relationship after that.
-Zidane put his damsel into distress, and after a series of events that doesn't make any sense, they grew together and were able to admit feelings for each other towards the end of the game.

They dress similarly
-Zidane wears a decorative vest and fancy-pants, which happens to be the uniform of the Terran military/Genome strike force. Just that, nothing underneath.
-Locke wears a plain blue vest and plain blue pants with a few extra layers underneath, and a bandanna.

Similar hair
-Locke has gray, messy hair despite being a younger guy.
-Zidane has a failry decent dye-job and neatly styled hair despite living in a time period where there are no hair dyes or hair sprays.

Similar personalities
-Locke is an angsty goofball
-Zidane is a horny goofball

Similar backstories
-Locke is fighting the evil empire because they imprisoned someone dear to him, and this has caused him to dedicate his life to fighting the Empire so that he can find a certain piece of magicite along the way so he can revive a dead ex-girlfriend who has never been in prison.
-Zidane has no idea who he is, and can only remember being in Tantalus (and a blue light)

Wow, look at those similarities. Anyone else think they were seperted at birth?

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locke is cool cause... he's a thief ! and a damn good one! and he knows how to pick a lock!

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-Locke has gray, messy hair despite being a younger guy.

First of all, Locke's hair ISN'T gray. It's blonde. The sprite version makes it look gray, but it's blonde. (Who knows? Maybe he painted it) Please, tell me.. HOW does Locke look like a "younger" guy? He is TWENTY-FIVE years old. Locke looks perfect for having that kind of hair on that age..

Messy? It goes both ways. Amano's had too much strands, and the sprite had less strands, which makes him look like Trunks from Dragon Ball Z. And that suits Locke too (sprite).

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-Locke is an angsty goofball

How is he a "goofball" you say? He wasn't another dumbass like Edge or another sexual harasser like Zidane was. He fell in love with Rachel, and when she died, he believed that there may be a way to revive her. He's not dumb, but who knows? There could be things that the world hasn't yet revealed to us. He cared so much for Rachel.. Why would he be a goofball for that?

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-Locke is fighting the evil empire because they imprisoned someone dear to him, and this has caused him to dedicate his life to fighting the Empire so that he can find a certain piece of magicite along the way so he can revive a dead ex-girlfriend who has never been in prison.

There are other meanings of the word "imprisoned" Remember the imperial attack on Kohligen? Rachel said she loved Locke before she died. When Locke returned a year later, he found out everything what happened. When he said "imprisoned" to Terra, he meant that Rachel was taken away from him in his heart. He had no other reason but to join the Returners to make the Empire pay for Rachel's death.

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And who, may I ask, would be cool, DP? Magus? Sephiroth? Those are all wannabe badasses whose character designers tried too hard. Locke accepts who he is; he has his angsty past but doesn't linger over it; he's good-natured and mellow for the most part, but he doesn't deny his emotions. He is the original definition of cool. Just a cool guy.

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And who, may I ask, would be cool, DP? Magus? Sephiroth? Those are all wannabe badasses whose character designers tried too hard. Locke accepts who he is; he has his angsty past but doesn't linger over it; he's good-natured and mellow for the most part, but he doesn't deny his emotions. He is the original definition of cool. Just a cool guy.

Yeah, you tell him that, L.Cully! And thank God SOMEONE finally understands me for liking Locke more than any other FF male character..

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You want cool? Try Shadow. Now THERE's a badass.
Personally, I used Locke only when I had to in the game and when I did? I made sure he was KO'd and stayed that way.

Oh, please. Even though Shadow looked "badass" as you say, he was still one of the most cliche ninjas I've ever seen. His dreams don't even go together correctly. They still didn't explain more about Shadow (or should I say Clyde?)'s past and why he was friends with Baram.

He seems like a mysterious wanderer who just came out of nowhere. And what? That's cool? No.. That's CLICHE. Atleast Vincent is well develped more than Shadow..

And btw, Cyan is not "cool". Why? Because he's an idiot who makes no sense whatsoever. I thought he was supposed to be that brave, noble knight? I haven't seen anything from him like that except at the Imperial Camp near Doma. He then turned into an asshole eversince Phantom Train.

He's SCARED of ghosts. Knights are supposed to be brave, or Samurai, whatever. And guess what, Cyan fanboys? Sabin and Shadow weren't even that scared! Cyan also stated that he hates machines.

Ok.. But if you talk to him in Setzer's and Darryl's airship, he'll say something that has to do with appreciating the machinnery of the engine.. So.. Either he hates machines or he doesnt.. Which one should it be?

I don't even think Sabin was that great either. He tried to act all cute in front of Cyan and Shadow in his scene. He was the root to making Zidane (With all of that "Young Brat becoming a pain in the ass to the Brave, Noble, Knight").

That's why I love Locke the best. He not only just thought about Rachel or go treasure hunting, but he also focused alot on the main plot and always went with Terra and Celes when they needed someone to protect. Why wouldn't Cyan and Sabin do that? Because all they care about is cleaning their weapons and fighting, while Locke and Terra are doing their best to save the WURLD!!!!

This post has been edited by NeoEx-Death on 28th September 2005 23:34

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And btw, Cyan is  not "cool". Why? Because he's an idiot who makes no sense whatsoever. I thought he was supposed to be that brave, noble knight? I haven't seen anything from him like that except at the Imperial Camp near Doma. He then turned into an asshole eversince Phantom Train.

He's SCARED of ghosts. Knights are supposed to be brave, or Samurai, whatever. And guess what, Cyan fanboys? Sabin and Shadow weren't even that scared! Cyan also stated that he hates machines.

Ok.. But if you talk to him in Setzer's and Darryl's airship, he'll say something that has to do with appreciating the machinnery of the engine.. So.. Either he hates machines or he doesnt.. Which one should it be?

God, do you ever express an opinion without being completely rude to everyone who disagrees with you? Can't you just say that you don't like him without insulting everyone who does? I happen to like Cyan. He's not my favourite, but he's not an idiot who makes no sense whatsoever. The problem isn't him, or the game--it's your lack of comprehension of both.

Cyan is afraid of ghosts because they're something he can't fight. A ghost isn't an enemy soldier with a sword in his hand who can be defeated through superior skill. A ghost is something outside the realm of normal reality. Granted, you can wack 'em in the game, but for story purposes, the ghosts are fearsome and not just another random encounter. Cyan's fear of them reenforces how his life is built around being a knight.

Cyan hates machines because he's old-fashioned. He's supposed to have a fear of technology. Given that the setting is a fantasy world where technology is reemerging, and especially given that the technology is one of the weapons wielded by the Empire, it makes sense that a traditionalist like Cyan would fail to understand it. After all, wouldn't you be afraid of a gun if your weapon was the sword? Also, Cyan's struggle to leave the past behind him and live in the present is the major conflict for his character.

Finally, by the time you talk to Cyan in Darryl's airship, he's over his fear of technology. When you re-recruit him in the World of Ruin, the chest in his cave contains a book about technology. He's been working to overcome his fear. Furthermore, when you open the chest, he says (or you read? it's not clear) that he understands machines now, and he won't fear them anymore. Cyan being interested in the machinery of the engine is a sign that he has overcome his strong associations with the past and is now willing to live in the present--a strong symbol of the resolution of Cyan's inner turmoil.

Compare all of this to Locke's character development. His girlfriend got screwed over by the Empire. Waah. He hates the Empire. Yeah! World ends. Waah. Um....quest to save dead girlfriend. Yeah! Crap, that didn't work... Waah. Well, Celes is hot, too. Yeah!

It may be simple-minded, but I guess that puts it in the realm of comprehension for simple minds. I guess Cyan just requires a little more thought.

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In response to L. Cully's reply, but also to clear this up... I like Locke. I really do. He's not my favourite character, but he's up there. I just can't stand to have Cyan dismissed as "stupid" and "not making sense" in favor of Locke, who really isn't any better.

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Finally, by the time you talk to Cyan in Darryl's airship, he's over his fear of technology. When you re-recruit him in the World of Ruin, the chest in his cave contains a book about technology. He's been working to overcome his fear. Furthermore, when you open the chest, he says (or you read? it's not clear) that he understands machines now, and he won't fear them anymore. Cyan being interested in the machinery of the engine is a sign that he has overcome his strong associations with the past and is now willing to live in the present--a strong symbol of the resolution of Cyan's inner turmoil.

Even if you talk to Cyan in Setzer's, it's still the same quote.
Have you ever beaten FFVI yet? What you said about Cyan loving machines still didn't support him. If he loved machines, then how come in the ending he said this:

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Machines... I HATE machines!

when he saved Edgar in his ending scene?.. Wouldn't he be "interested" in working the machine out rather than complaining?.. Hmm? Hmm?? Gotcha! =)

By the way, Karasuman, sorry if I ever say rude things. I act that way =P

This post has been edited by NeoEx-Death on 29th September 2005 14:30

I'm curious - for those who don't think Locke has as good of a "character arc" (or coolness) as others - what, in your opinion, would make his story a better one?

yer all gonna scream an yell at me because i do not like Locke, sure, i like the way he looks and his Desperation attacks but his pesonality... <except when he upchucked on the ship...

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he seemed cool to me at first, i admit that, but then Celes Came in, i'm not saying i don't like her, Celes is one of the coolest females i have ever seen, it's just how he promises Terra that he'll protect her, then Celes comes then he say's he's going to protect her, not that he didn't protect them both, thogh.

Man this is going to be a long post

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and thn Celes 'Betrays the group, he doesn't belive her, instead, he listens to kefka. then she doesn't talk to him, but she has a good reason for it, then when she actually wants to talk to him ( it would probably take a lot of courag to do that, too,) he walks away from her, the moment i saw that, i freaked and said, LOCKE YOU DIRTBAG THIEF!!! HOW COULD YOU??!!

i'm probably one o the few people who don't like Locke,
now you might know why i hate Locke and Celes pictures.
Even thogh i've never said that

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yer all gonna scream an yell at me because i do not like Locke, sure, i like the way he looks and his Desperation attacks but his pesonality... <except when he upchucked on the ship...

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he seemed cool to me at first, i admit that, but then Celes Came in, i'm not saying i don't like her, Celes is one of the coolest females i have ever seen, it's just how he promises Terra that he'll protect her, then Celes comes then he say's he's going to protect her, not that he didn't protect them both, thogh.

Man this is going to be a long post

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and thn Celes 'Betrays the group, he doesn't belive her, instead, he listens to kefka. then she doesn't talk to him, but she has a good reason for it, then when she actually wants to talk to him ( it would probably take a lot of courag to do that, too,) he walks away from her, the moment i saw that, i freaked and said, LOCKE YOU DIRTBAG THIEF!!! HOW COULD YOU??!!

i'm probably one o the few people who don't like Locke,
now you might know why i hate Locke and Celes pictures.
Even thogh i've never said that

That can be reasonable why Locke ignored Celes. Locke tried to apologize to Celes for not believing her, but she instead walked away from locke. So he was heartbroken.

And when Celes tried to apologize to Locke, Locke left her because he wanted to make her feel the same cold shoulder she gave to Locke. And then later on, at Thamasa, Locke and Celes talk to each other as if they were neutral. Yeah, but then later on Celes finally accepted Locke's apology and she deserved the cold shoulder by stabbing Kefka. Even though Locke isn't required, she still wanted to prove Kefka wrong.

At the WOR, she wanted to finally find Locke.. She anticipated him finally because before, she was a ruthless cold knight, but she turned light-hearted and fell in love with him. Even though Locke doesn't say anything related to marriage, passion, etc. to Celes, they regain their friendship and go stop Kefka together.

At the end, Locke saved Celes when picked up the bandana. Locke felt even more love for Celes and carried her to the other side of the ground, and he even did the mature gentleman act by letting her go first out the door before he did. And in the airship, they both look at Kohligen together. I know, it doesn't connect right, though..

Looke at my alies. Does that answer the question?

I forgot about the cold shoulder thing. I think he tries hard to seem lightharted to hide his painful secret (Rachel). I did feel shocked when he believed Kefka over Celes.

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I know one thing for certain. This thread, is not cool.

On a lighter note, Mr. Garamonde is a certified dude.

And neither are you. And for going off-topic, I'm going to lock this until friday. Dumbass.