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Quote (io_rage @ 27th December 2004 23:13)

Also, I agree with DP about Zelda games not being RPGs.  They are action/adventure games.  I believe the charcters in an RPG have to have some sort of ability advancement ("leveling up"), while Link just gains new equipment.  By that standard,everything from Halo to Contra would be an RPG.  The Zelda series is amazing, no doubt, and there has never been any game like them, but they aren't RPGs.

Actually the system of an RPG isn't that strict. The only real stipulations are that the character interacts with other characters and it has a somewhat in-depth story where your character grows (As a person that is). If you walk into a village and can freely interact with the people in it, you're playing an RPG basically. How strict you are with how 'you' classify an RPG is more to a personal standard.

This post has been edited by Mu the Squirrel on 29th December 2004 04:01

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The Arcana are the means by which ALL is revealed.

darn those who have consoles! funds don't support consoles so I have to make do with pc and gba. my (pitiful) list:

GBA:
Breath Of Fire 2: my first rpg loved it when I played it, but got overshadowed when I played others.

snes (all roms)

final fantasy iv-vi: great series. vi was the best, one of the best games I ever played
chrono trigger: what can I say? awsome!!
tales of phantasia: my original rom was really bugged but I loved it all the same. when I found a better one I loved it even more.
earthbound: the graphics pained me, but it was good all the same.
EVO: enjoyed it. never got too far though...
lufia: it was ok, not as good as its prequel though...
lufia 2: awsome. no game has quite as many puzzles as this.
final fantasy mystic quest: never got too far to care, but it was ok
robotrek: confused me.
terranigma: enjoyed it. got stuck though as I went too fast...
secret of mana: would you count this? I would. it was ok but was overshadowed by some.
seiken densetu 3: ok, got bored of it though as the controls were a bit poor
soul blazer: terranigma's father? it was good for what it was. played similarly.
breath of fire: can't forget that one. it was good, and showed that rpgs without square just don't work!
secret/illusion of gaia: wierd. using a flute as a weapon? doesn't work well.

honourable mention goes to the rpgmaker 2000/2003 games, e.g. laxius power, legion saga,

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"Fire and steel
follow me through the lands
you will burn hordes of hell
in the deadly raging flames of revenge"

Rhapsody - Flames of Revenge

You have all those ROMs and no Live-a-Live? If ya want ROMs you should hunt down Bahamut Lagoon as well.

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The Arcana are the means by which ALL is revealed.

well, here's mine:

SNES: Mario RPG, FF3
PLAYSTATION: FF7, FF8, FF9, FF Anthology, FF Chronicles, Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete, FF Origins, Star Ocean: The Second Story, Wild Arms 2, Chrono Cross
N64: Legend of Zelda (Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask)
PS2: FFX, FFX2, Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time

not much, but i like it!

This post has been edited by baralai888 on 9th January 2005 05:40

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"The answer is, of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved."
- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince

My list includes hard copy, emulated, and incomplete. Incomplete happens when I actually lose the game or save before completion, and haven't returned to yet or ever. As for real -time RPGs, if it's an RPG with action instead of turns, it's still a Role Playing Game. Tactics games count on my list as well.


NES
Final Fantasy I- ROM, Incomplete
Final Fantasy II- ROM, Incomplete
Final Fantasy III- ROM
Dragon Warrior I- ROM, Incomplete
Dragon Warrior II- ROM, Incomplete
Dragon Warrior III- ROM, Incomplete

SNES/SF
Final Fantasy IV- ROM, easy
Final Fantasy V- ROM
Final Fantasy VI- ROM
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest- ROM
Breath of Fire I
Breath of Fire II
Secret of Evermore
Secret of Mana- ROM
Seiken Densetsu 3- ROM
Lufia I- ROM
Lufia II- ROM
Chrono Trigger- ROM
Illusion of Gaia- ROM
Terranigma- ROM
Tenchi Muyo- ROM
Magic Knight Rayearth- ROM
Tales of Phantasia- ROM
Star Ocean- ROM
Bahamut Lagoon- ROM
Front Mission 1- ROM
Ogre Battle Tactics: March for the Black Queen- ROM
Rudra no Hihoua- ROM
The 7th Saga- ROM
Dragon Quest V- ROM
Dragon Quest VI- ROM
Super Mario RPG
Live-a-Live- ROM, Incomplete
Earthbound- ROM, Incomplete
Romancing Saga 3- ROM, Incomplete
Emerald Dragon- ROM
Super Robot Wars 3- ROM
Fire Emblem: Thracia 776- ROM, Incomplete
Robotrek- ROM, Incomplete
Shadorun- ROM, Incomplete
Ultima VI: The False Prophet- ROM, Incomplete
Arcana- ROM
EVO- ROM

Genesis
Phantasy Star II- ROM, Incomplete
Phantasy Star III- ROM, Incomplete
Phantasy Star IV
Shining Force I- ROM
Shining Force II- ROM
Shining in the Darkness- ROM, Incomplete

PS1
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Front Mission 3
Breath of Fire III
Breath of Fire IV
Vagrant Story
Wild Arms
Chrono Cross
Xenogears
Saga Frontiers I- In Progress
Saga Frontiers II- In Progress

PS2
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Front Mission 4
La Pucelle Tactics- In Progress
Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
Phantom Brave
Dark Cloud 2

PC
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind GotY
Final Fantasy VII

GB/ GBA
Pokemon Red
Lunar Legend- ROM
Golden Sun- ROM, Incomplete
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance- ROM

This post has been edited by SaintWeapon on 9th January 2005 08:24

Quote (Mu the Squirrel @ 8th January 2005 23:12)

You have all those ROMs and no Live-a-Live? If ya want ROMs you should hunt down Bahamut Lagoon as well.

as a matter of fact I did have live-a-live, but got a little confused by it, but was almost saddened when it got to deleted. as for bahamut lagoon, I was under the impression it was only in japanese and I spent half an hour attempting to prove that wrong.

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"Fire and steel
follow me through the lands
you will burn hordes of hell
in the deadly raging flames of revenge"

Rhapsody - Flames of Revenge

I don't know if there are any pre-patched versions of the Bahamut Lagoon ROM available, but you can download the Jap. ROM and the English .IPS file (there are a few places to get the latter that shouldn't be too difficult to hunt down) and patch it yourself. Of course, you need an easy-to-find patching program to do this, but it's well worth it.

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

NES: FF1 FF2 FF3 DQ 1 DQ 2 DQ 3 DQ 4 Mother
SNES: FF4 FF5 FF6 DQ 5 DQ 6 Mother 2 BoF BoF 2 7th Saga SMRPGLotSS CT Lagoon Star Ocean Bahamut Lagoon Tales of Phantasia
N64: Paper Mario
GCN: Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door Tales of Symphonia FF: Crystal Chronicles
PS1: BoF 3 BoF 4 BoF4j(Imported because of decapitation scene) DQ7 FF7 FF8 FF9 FF Origins FF Tactics FF Anthology Chrono Cross(even more that I can't think of atm.).
PS2: BoF:DQ DQ8 FFX FFX-2 FFXintl(still more that I can't remember)

This is a very incomplete list but its 7:46 am and I haven't slept yet.

I DO NOT own a single ROM or Emulator I find them to be cheap and stealing.

NES:
FFI
FFII (rom)
FFIII (rom)
Crystalis (rom)
Dragon Warrior I (rom)
Dragon Warrior II (rom)
Dragon Worrior III (rom)
Earthbound Zero (rom)
Zelda
Link

SNES:
FFIV (rom)
FFV (rom)
FFVI (rom)
FFMQ (rom)
Earthbound
7th Saga (rom)
Alcahest (rom)
Arcana (rom)
Bahamut Lagoon (rom)
Breath of Fire (rom)
Breath of Fire II (rom)
BS Zelda (rom)
Chrono Trigger
Front Mission (rom)
Illusion ao Gaia (rom)
Lagoon (rom)
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link To The Past
Live A Live (rom)
Lufia (rom)
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals (rom)
Monstania (rom)
Ogre Battle (rom)
Paladin's Quest (rom)
Robotrek (rom)
Romancing Saga III (rom)
Secret of Evermore (rom)
Seiken Densetsu III (rom)
Shadowrun (rom)
Soulblazer (rom)
Star Ocean (rom)
Super Mario RPG (rom)
Tales of Phantasia (rom)
Secret of Mana (rom)
Terranigma (rom)
Twisted Tales of Spike McFang (rom)

SEGA:
Phantasy Star II (rom)
Phantasy Star III (rom)
Phantasy Star IV (rom)
Shining Force (rom)
Shining Force II (rom)

SEGA CD:
Vay (rom)
Shining Force CD (rom)
Lunar (rom)

PS1:
FFVII
FFVIII
FFIX
FFT
Chrono Cross
FFI
FFII
FFIV
FFV
FFVI
Chrono Trigger
Legend of Dragoon

PS2:
FFX
FFX2
.Hack Infection

Game Boy:
FF Legends (rom)
FF Legends II (rom)
FF Legends III (rom)
FF Adveture (rom)
Zelda Links Awakening
Zelda Oracle of Seasons (rom)
Zelda Oracle of Ages (rom)
Pokemon Blue
Pokemon Red
Pokemon Yellow
Pokemon Gold
Pokemon Silver (rom)
Pokemon Crystal (rom)

GBA:
Breath of Fire (rom)
Breath of Fire II (rom)
FFTA (rom)
FFI (rom)
FFII (rom)
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (rom)
Pokemon Leaf Green (rom)
Pokemon Fire Red (rom)
Pokemon Ruby (rom)
Pokemon Saphire (rom)

N64:
Zelda Majora's Mask (rom)
Zelda Ocarina of Time (rom)

This post has been edited by mcclanahan on 9th January 2005 13:37

I dont have that much RPGs but i DO have Final Fantasy IV-VI, Chrono Trigger, and Super Mario RPG (all great games, of course, from Square), all roms. I also own non-rom Golden Sun and non-rom Golden Sun: The Lost Age for GBA

This post has been edited by BlackWizardDryfe on 10th January 2005 03:11

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"It's.... a very long story..." ------ Everybody, everywhere.
Isn't there anything better they can say?

Quote (alphasmart @ 9th January 2005 04:31)

as a matter of fact I did have live-a-live, but got a little confused by it, but was almost saddened when it got to deleted. as for bahamut lagoon, I was under the impression it was only in japanese and I spent half an hour attempting to prove that wrong.

Always go to the source. Dejap has Bahamut Lagoon here: http://www.dejap.com/projects.php

FYI. They have many others to, but if you want Star Ocrean it's a lot of work to get it to play right. ¬¬

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The Arcana are the means by which ALL is revealed.

NES:

-Final Fantasy III ( ROM )

SNES:

- The Legend of Zelda: A link to the Past
- Earthbound

GameBoy Color:

-Pokemon Red / Gold / Crystal ( they are RPG games....)
-Dragon Warrior III
-The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX
-The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages

Playstation:

-Final Fantasy Origins
-Final Fantasy IV
-Final Fantasy V
-FInal Fantasy VI
-Final Fantasy VII
-Final Fantasy VIII
-Final Fantasy IX
-Final Fantasy Tactics ( It's an RPG/Strategy game....)
-Tactics Ogre ( same as above )
-Legend of the Dragoon
-Chrono Trigger
-Chrono Cross
-Parasite Eve

Nintendo 64:

-The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Game Boy Advance:

- Golden Sun 1
-Golden Sun 2
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
- Final Fantasy Dawn of Souls
- Fire Emblem

Playstation 2:

-Final Fantasy X
-Final Fantasy X-2
-Front Mission 4
-Wild Arms 3
-The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
-Shadow Hearts

PC:

-Icewind Dale
-Diablo 2
-Dungeon Siege

This post has been edited by Enrique on 30th January 2005 19:10

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x_X

SNES:
Super Mario RPG
Final Fantasy IV-VI
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
Lufia
Lufia II
Chrono Trigger
Breath of Fire

PS:
Final Fantasy VII-IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Anthology
Final Fantasy Origins
Final Fantasy Chronicles
Dragon Warrior VII
Chrono Cross

PS2:
Final Fantasy X-X-2
RPG Maker 2
Kingdom Hearts
Xenosaga: Episode I: The Will to Create
Xenosaga: Episode II: Beyond Good & Evil
Champions of Norrath
Champions: Return to Arms

GBC:
Dragon Warrior I & II
Dragon Warrior III
Dragon Warrior Monsters
Dragon Warrior Monsters 2: Cobi's Journey

GBA:
Golden Sun 1-2
Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Fire Emblem
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones

Xbox:
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic(1-2)
X-Men Legends
The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind/Game of the Year Edition

This post has been edited by Blizzard_Wizard8 on 23rd June 2005 22:42

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Yunalesca: "Hope is...comforting. It allows us to accept fate, however tragic it might be. "

Yunalesca: "Poor creature. You would throw away hope. Well... I will free you before you can drown in your sorrow. It is better for you to die in hope than to live in despair. Let me be your liberator. "

*Gives topic a Phoenix Down*

NES:
Final Fantasy I (ROM)
Final Fantasy II (ROM)
Final Fantasy III (ROM)
The Legend of Zelda

SNES:
Final Fantasy IVj (Fan translation ROM)
Final Fantasy V (ROM)
Final Fantasy IIIus (ROM)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (ROM)
Chrono Trigger (ROM)

PS1:
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy Tactics
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy Anthology

PS2:
Final Fantasy X
Grandia II

Game Boy systems:
The Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening (DX)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past + Four Swords
Final Fantasy I and II: Dawn of Souls

PC:
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind + Tribunal and Bloodmoon Expansions
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

Sega
Shining Force 1
Shining Force 2

SNES
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy 4

Game Gear
Shining Force: Sword of Hayja

PS1
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy Anthologies
Final Fantasy Collections
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9

PS2
Final Fantasy 10

Need: Golden Sun games, Fire Emblem games, FF's I don't have, SF's I don't have

This is with NO roms.

Gameboy:

Breath of Fire
Golden Sun
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Magi-Nation
Mega Man: Battle Network
Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Pok'emon Blue
Pok'emon Gold
Pok'emon Red
Pok'emon Ruby
Pok'emon Silver
Pok'emon Yellow

SNES:

Breath of Fire (Bought for 3 bucks from a friend)
Breath of Fire 2
Chrono Trigger (Found for 3 bucks at flee market)
Final Fantasy IV (Bought for 3 bucks from a friend)
Final Fantasy VI
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
Secret of Mana (Bought for 5 bucks from a friend)
Super Mario RPG (Bought for 10 bucks from a game store)

PS:

Brave Fencer Musahi
Breath of Fire III
Breath of Fire IV
Chrono Cross
Final Fantasy Anthology (Final Fantasy V and VI)
Final Fantasy Chronicles (Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IV)
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Grandia
Koudelka
Legend of Dragoon
Legend of Legaia
Legend of Mana
LUNAR: Eternal Blue Complete
LUNAR: Silver Star Story Complete
Parasite Eve
Parasite Eve 2
Persona
Persona 2
SaGa Frontier
Shadow Madness
Star Ocean: The Second Story
Suikoden
Suikoden 2
Tales of Destiny
Tales of Destiny 2
Thousand Arms
Vandal Hearts
Vandal Hearts 2
Wild Arms
Wild Arms 2
Xenogears

Dreamcast:

Evolution
Evolution 2
Grandia 2
Skies of Arcadia

Nintendo 64:

Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mast
Legend of Zelda: OoT (Gold cartridge)
Paper Mario
Quest 64

Playstation 2:

Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
Dark Cloud 2
dot Hack: Infection
dot Hack: Mutation
Ephemeral Fantasia (5 bucks for a brand new, horrible game? You'd buy it, too!)
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Kingdom Hearts
Okage: Shadow King
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts Convenant
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Star Ocean: Til the End of Time
Wild Arms 3
Xenosaga
Xenosaga Pt. 2

Master System
Phantasy Star: THEE game that got me into RPGs before I got to Kindergarten!
King's Quest

Genesis
Phantasy Star II: One of my favorite games OF ALL TIME!!!
Phantasy Star IV: When I had it, it was a rental, but I love this game nonetheless.

Playstation
Final Fantasy Origins
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII: My all-time favorite RPG for years and years to come.
Final Fantasy IX: Kuja is my favorite FF villain, ever.

Playstation 2
Final Fantasy X

PC
Diablo
Diablo 2: I'll be playin' this one right after this post!!



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"Thought I was dead, eh? Not until I fulfill my dream!"
Seifer Almasy


"The most important part of the story is the ending."
Secret Window


"Peace is but a shadow of death."
Kuja