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Have you ever thought why some people are called nerds and fatsos and such by some people, but friends by others?

People are seen by others the way others expect them to look like and act like.

For example, me and my friend each have our own bubble of reality around us, and reflected on the inside of the bubble (how he sees me or vice versa) is how we expect each other to act or look.

The bubble is our visual representation of the world and reality around us, which explains why people have different views on existence of people and the creation story and even math!

Me=1
My buddy=2
Bubble=(...) (1) sees (2)
(1) knows (2) is very smart, so in his bubble he sees (2) as a real braniac, and imprints that on part of his bubble for later reference. Next time he sees this person, he will vaguely remember him as a brainiac, but will have forgotten a lot, since the imprint will have given way to a bunch of new info or a brand new view of the buddy. That is why, when you get together with new people, first impressions are very important, because of that first mark on their bubble of you. You can be stupid later around friends, but you want to be careful how you first act around them.

This can also explain why people would need glasses, in a spiritual sense, that their bubble is becoming faint, so in order to see through their bubble, the person who needs glasses must get some right away.

Does this theory on multiple dimensions and multiple views on actual reality make sense? please respond with your comments, and if anything doesnt make sense, then i can clarify for you. Add on if you like, i would love to see how you can expand on this idea, or make your own...

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Makes sense to me buddy!
We also act differently around different people, depending on how we perceive them. At least most of us do.

And having this knowledge, some us try not to judge people when we don't really know them very well. We do anyway up to a certain extent, because we're human and that's the way the brain works.

At the end of the day every, man or woman is their own island and no human being can make complete contact with another. We can only go on what our senses tell us, which certainly isn't everything.

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'Let that be a lesson to all oppressive vegetable sellers.'

Social relationships can be confusing, in fact everybody has 2 personalities...is something you probably heard about the Doppelganger theory...one is the personality perceived by the others ( which depends on the psychological field, you know the conditions in which they're based), and the personality perceived by yourself ( who knows everything about you , your likes, fears, dreams..yada yada yada..), similar to the "bubbles" who DrkMagimaster282 talked about. The most accurate answer to your question would be this: " The psychologic field is different, on any case, in fact if someone tell you that a boy hate you, you probably hate him,( which modifies your personality) and you construct a representation of this boy in your mind, showing him hostility and making him hating you also, even if the idea of this boy hating you was a lie.. it become true What I said can be more complex, but basically depends on social, economical, political, historical factors. ...

Quote ("Fatman@3rd June 2005 14:53")

At the end of the day every, man or woman is their own island and no human being can make complete contact with another. We can only go on what our senses tell us, which certainly isn't everything.

Well said!, not only our senses alone determinates the personalities of others, but also our a priori knowledge ( after experience), our mental constructions on people, the time we expend with them...and is not enough to say you know completely a person.

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"Its no cheating if you don't get caught"

If you're interested in a read on sociatel interactions (not just 1 person to 1 person, but how each individual reaction adds to the whole), the read this. You will have to forgive the monkeys, however.

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https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html
Interesting test, to see if you're secretly biast.

Anyway, I think the way other view people can (but shouldn't) affect the way we do.

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Quote (bahamut0013 @ 4th June 2005 03:53)

If you're interested in a read on sociatel interactions (not just 1 person to 1 person, but how each individual reaction adds to the whole), the read this. You will have to forgive the monkeys, however.

Good link! Too much for me to read at once. I've read half of it so far, very interesting!

And nice quote Relm, good stuff! I couldn't work out which testt I was meant to take on your link though, lol.

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'Let that be a lesson to all oppressive vegetable sellers.'

I have a very simple way of viewing others.

Moron until proven otherwise.

I generally have a pessimistic, Xenophobic attitude, and find people to be repugnant overall. I do know people who have a glass half full sort of attitude, and it's really interesting for me to talk to them, because we can have two totally differing opinions on a person. I tend to look at things cynicly. I look at others who think people have the best of intentions and I think they're idealists. I have a very Hobbes, Machiavelli way of looking at things.

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Quote ("MogMaster@ 5th June 2005 13:15")

I have a very simple way of viewing others.

Moron until proven otherwise.

I like you ,kupo , I think more or less the same way..but my weakness to care about other feelings, make me a bit different, plus in the country I live, seems like I'm the only one who cares about helpings others!! ( though I'm the classical, introverted and lonely kind of person ), I don't know if that is the reason I use to be alone , but just... everybody act on a hypocrisy way, and only motivated by what they can gain , if I'm not useful, they hate me that's pragmatism..) ...but there some people that are worth enough, let 's not talk generally. I have to "swallow" my "Pride" sometimes just to fit in social rules ( said by my mother..)...but what the hell, wish other people could do the same effort for understanding others... I'm usually a happy person, but sometimes I think all mankind are crazy!.,

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"Its no cheating if you don't get caught"

I agree that first impressions are very influential, and that's why I try to keep an open mind about people. I can list a number of people who I disliked on sight but grew to respect. My biggest problem is with using those impressions to extrapolate people's motivations in doing things. It's a pretty big pitfall.

On a grander scale, I believe that all people are basically good. That doesn't have as great an effect on people I meet (because I'm hardly expecting them to be evil; just stupid or something, sometimes), but it affects the way I see the world. I'm more likely to give someone on trial for murder the benefit of the doubt, or to sympathize with someone's screwed-up way of thinking that got them in trouble. I think that people mostly mean well.

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Veni, vidi, dormivi.

I do act differently in front of different people, depending on what they know and what I want them to know about me. Everyone does that.

Although I sometimes get tired of accounting for information transfer.

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Quote (MogMaster @ 5th June 2005 13:15)

I have a very simple way of viewing others.

Moron until proven otherwise.

I generally have a pessimistic, Xenophobic attitude, and find people to be repugnant overall. I do know people who have a glass half full sort of attitude, and it's really interesting for me to talk to them, because we can have two totally differing opinions on a person. I tend to look at things cynicly. I look at others who think people have the best of intentions and I think they're idealists. I have a very Hobbes, Machiavelli way of looking at things.

Same here.

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i have a theory in life right now, and it is 'the greatest thing you can do for society is leave everyone completely alone, unless you are invited into their lives.'

i have a really hard time in social situations, i always have. so when complete strangers start talking ot me, or god forbid, flirt with me, i feel very offended. i'm not even sure why. i personally see all people as that: people. not any more or less than human. but many human traits are really rude, and they are treated as normal. it's very rude to stare at someone, whether because they think you're ugly or beatiful. keep your eyes to yourself. that is good etiquette. and certainly don't touch anyone. particularily for any selfish reason. a guy on the bus touched my neck once, it felt like acid i was so disturbed. i just think that if you see me as an equal [not identical of course] human being you will treat me with the same dignity and respect i offer you by pretending i don't exist in your realm.

anyway, what i am trying to say is, the best manners is if you treat every person the same. don't stare at girls, guys, cuz you wouldn't stare at other guys would you? well, maybe some of you would. all humans are humans, so treat the 'lower' end of society the same as you would treat higher class. i live in a residential area where hookers ply their trade on residential streets, and i don't think their 'pigs' or 'dogs', they're girls with a different weakness than me, they have a brain and a heart just like i do, they breathe, they have feelings. johns, on the other hand, are people with horrible manners and are selfish and probably mysoginistic. they don't realize that humanity exists, they think they are 'better' than the girls they are hurting. yes, they do hurt them, they give them money to feed their addictions and pay the other men that hold them there and keep them from escaping. they are contributing to the downfall of society and human relationships for their own selfish purposes. the only reason there are hookers are because there is demand for them. demand begets supply. abolish the demand, and there will no longer be supply. don't try to cut of the supply, and dehumanize those people. the demand is the root of the problem.

sorry, got way off topic there.

now, just because i see them as human doesn't mean that i trust them. humans are selfish by nature and i am very wary of that. i fear going outside that i may be attacked. i never let go of my purse. you know how some women at least put their purse in a shopping cart? i'll never do it. because i am cynical and i know that most people cannot fight their waeknesses, vices, and evils. i know very well i am the same way. one of my biggest issues is i don't know how to express concern for other people. people think i'm cold, or aloof. i do care deeply, and i understand that they are affected and how, but i can't express it.

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and the second duty is...well, no one's found out yet.

Well DrkMagi, you've pretty accurately described the psychological concept known as schemas, which is what the human brain(and most likely the animal brain as well) uses to run so efficiently.

Basically any time a person encounters something or someone new it groups that person into a category it is already familiar with and applies the information it already knows about similar objects or people to what it just found.

It's great for being able to make quick assumptions about things without having to relearn everything about them ahead of time. However with people it has a pretty negative effect. People tend to generalize and sterotype people without actually knowing who they are and human beings are so varied that your assumptions are often wrong. Geek A != Geek B and Jock C != Jock D, but they all get grouped together just the same.

It's why I value open mindedness so much because if you remain closeminded about issues and people you meet, you are pretty much guarenteed to be wrong.

Edit

Just read the monkey article and interestingly enough it came to the same final conclusion as my last sentence did. Which is cool and all, but I still take issue with the fact that the article completely discounted morality. It was a cute read none-the-less

This post has been edited by The Ancient on 27th June 2005 14:39

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Quote (MogMaster @ 5th June 2005 14:15)

I have a very simple way of viewing others.

Moron until proven otherwise.

I'm kind of the opposite. People have to lose my respect, not earn it.
I'd prefer to be disappointed rather than have to cling to an image I have of a person when they show me that they're not all bad.

This post has been edited by Dark Paladin on 27th June 2005 20:03

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Put this simply. I allow people to judge themselves and then I judge them based on there own opinion. This is an easy way to spot Arrogance I supose. But to begin with I try not to Judge people to much (but admit it people always judge other people even if we try not to).

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Quote (The Ancient @ 27th June 2005 06:29)

People tend to generalize and sterotype people without actually knowing who they are and human beings are so varied that your assumptions are often wrong.

Just read the monkey article ... completely discounted morality.

Yes, but stereotypes often derive from some grain of truth. For examples, lawyers have a stereotype of being greedy and lazy folk who would screw over thier own mother to win. While There are assuredly many, many good and hardworking lawyers that geniunely put thier client's best interests first; there had to be a lot of ambulance chasers for this stereotype to become common knowledge. Also, sometimes stereotypes are incorrect simply becasue of age, when a group of people change but thier image remains the same.

And of course the article discounted morality. It is far too subjective; with every human being in the world having a unique set of morals (much like teh famed snowflake). If you could find two humans who would make the exact same choices to every possible scenario, you would be looking at a reflection.

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This topic makes my brain hurt. Too philosophical. Still cool though.

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