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I think the game wouldn't be able to be made into 3-D graphics (and make them smooth at the same time, half-@$$ing would be the only way). Think about how long that game is? In 3-D, a game that long, that big, is rare. Very expensive and time consuming, from my personal opinion (Feel free to prove me wrong). If they keep in 2-D and release it on the Gameboy DS, however, you can keep the
2-D graphics, would be pretty good if you ask me. I think that the Gameboy is one the last platforms where some really superior gameplay is being invented. Console games are beginning to lose their edge.

If it's really that bad, though, I just won't buy it. So let Square do what they want, not too much of a biggie to worry about, either Square messes up or Square does a good job. I doubt my 50 bucks will make much a difference in the Square employee paycheck >.<

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The problem with that statement though lock_cole is the fact that even if your 50 didnt matter they would completely ruin either the series or the game its self for the newer genterations of gamers. In the long run square could be writeing its own obituary if its not done properly. Personally 6 is my favorite game of all time, and if they do do a remake they need to seriously do it right. Filling in player stories could be one thing. Like giveing mog,gogo, and umaro more of a background storie and such. Like i mentioned before though they need to do a war of the magi one. That to me would be how you fill in those charecter stories that normaly arent there like umaro and such. The fact that the game would be 3-d or 2-d is really irrelevent if you think about it. What mostly sells rpgs are the stories and the charecter development. If you go back and change that game useing a prequle or something you need to make sure that certian things tie in with the orginal that will help shape the charecter in the future game. If you dont have that factor in there, and had the best graphics in the world, the game still wouldnt sell cause it would be dull and boreing.


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How would Umaro's story be filled in more by making a prequel based on the War of the Magi? There's no indication that Umaro lived for 1000 years. You could probably write in something for Gogo about getting sucked 1000 years into the future inside a cave in a Zone Eater.

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There's no indication that Umaro lived for 1000 years.

Yes, especially considering that Umaro's canon age is four.

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Like i said some of the charecters ansecters could be used in thing. Maybe Umaros ansectors fought in the war of the magi, and his family was taken to narshe to protect it after the war was over. And when war broke out again he was the only one to survive, it could be the same way with why the moogles are there and such. And gogo could be the last of an acient clan who praticed mimicry, at the end you could see him getting training and becomeing who he was. I dont really know but it could fill in the charecters back grounds more fully in that sense.

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Yes, especially considering that Umaro's canon age is four.

4 since when he learned how to count, hehe... maybe he was a very VERY slow learner and took him 1000 years to realize he had fingers to count with! lol.

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The fact that the game would be 3-d or 2-d is really irrelevent if you think about it. What mostly sells rpgs are the stories and the charecter development.

But there are LOTS of gamers out there who WILL NOT BUY a game simply because it has inferior graphics, and updating them would create many more "new" fans then a 2-d version would. That's why I think it'd be a good idea for Square to create a 3-d version while including the old-school 2-d one as well. That way the old-school fans are happy, AND the stupid shiny-graphics-lovin' people are happy, too! And you don't HAVE to play the 3-d version if you don't want to, you realize.

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All i have to say to that is if it aint broke dont fix it. That was one of the aspects of the game that made it what it was. They fact that they were able to fit so much into a 2d invoirment well still haveing a great story, loads of charecters, out this world graphics (for its generation anyways), and rich and lush battle scenes and music. It was inesscence a master pice, there is no reason to go changeing its look for newer fans, that would some what dull the game alittle and make it less of what it actually was and more of a everyday same old things to look at, kinda game. Which would make it boreing. No i think if they do remake it they need to keep the style the way it was so that they can acutally keep some what of the games essence about it.

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Don't fear the reaper!
Wonderful system this "Democracy" is no mechanism to break a tie -Dinobot-
It's spelled Raymond Luxray Yatch but it's pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
Sic Semper Tyrannis bush.

I'm just thinking from a business point of view: making uber-awesome 3-d graphics would sell more copies, period. And if you're STILL INCLUDING the original version for the purists, what's there to lose? As long as the new version is done WELL, I'd sure as heck play it! And by well I mean good dungeons and town designs ('cause of course they'd have to be redesigned), character models that are true to the original, and... here's the tricky part: Voice Acting. Y'know, now that I think about it, VA might be a BAD idea. On the other hand, it's just one more thing to turn away potential customers if not implemented, and I have to admit that super high-quality 3-d models moving their lips and then no sound comes out does come off as a bit odd...

Anywho, I'm just sayin' that it'd benifit Square more to completely remake it (heck I wouldn't mind either, so long as it's done well)

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Distant hills wear a shroud of grey
A lonely breeze whispers in the trees
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The chances of Square Enix remaking FFVI are low.

Very low. After all, they continue to hold out on a FFVII remake despite all the teasing, all the begging on the part of fans, and all the profit that could be made. If they still have integrity enough to let FFVII stand for itself, why would they go back on that for FFVI?

If anything, I think Square Enix will hold to the 'Compilation' product model and produce side stories. I've concidered what game styles would be well-suited to expanding on FFVI, and this caught my eye - the additional play modes of the upcoming Tales of Legendia.

From what I gather, Tales of Legendia will include a number of epilogue quests for characters or groups of characters from the main game, showing you what happened to the main cast, and maybe even introducing new player characters. This concept, plus a dash of Saga Frontier perhaps, and we have something that might actually be interesting.

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I've been dreaming of a true remake of 6 ever since it came out! No superfluous additions like the trite mini games which marred 9, but definitely encase the whole beautiful story in the eye candy that is well done 3D graphics. But like everyone else has already said, the costs to square-enix would not be worth the risk, although I'm sure all of us here would feel like fan heaven had come to earth.

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The thing is square i dont think will touch FFVI it was by far the best final fantasy to date (maybe even of all time) and i dont think square would want to mess that up frankly. They'd tick alot of people off, unless they went in and fixed all of the intall bugs, got rid of all those enemy fight comands, cleaned up the rage thing allowing you to actually get all the rages, and if the maybe (big maybe) told more in on shadows past and a few other of the charecters (gogo, umaro, mog). Then maybe they'd have a chance. The problem is you cant just go doing a complete remake of a classic it just doesnt work. If some one did a modern day Mona Lisa it would look right at all and would probly be very ugly. So true would it be with this game if you made a 3-d style for it and made all these mini games and such for it. You'd destroy the game its self leaveing a meager shell of what was a great game.
Thats not to say the game couldnt be a little improved, but nothing that would change the storie and the game too greatly, something like being able to get custom armors for umaro, or haveing the ablity to control gau and mog while they are in there some what berserked states.This would help game play alittle more, yes it's take away a bit of the randomness of the game but it could help players use those charecters better. The could also expand alittle on shadows background with out it actually effecting the storie any. Another thing they would beable to do is add a few side quests in the WOB, since it seem to be severly lacking in them. These, though they would add alittle to game and maybe even give it a new game feel, wouldnt change the overall wonderfullness of the game. It might give raise to the game being a hit even more than it was.
But to say that they need to remake it in 3-d would most likely put alot of people off and probly lessen some of the wonderful aspects of the game. Plus all the images i have seen of the charecters in there 3-d state (in that chibi form) make me cring. They look horrible and all look like they are still kids and not adults (except for those of them that are kids.). Now i ask you why you'd take something that would potentaly water the game down and make it probly worse and an eye sore, when it has wonderful graphics already?

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I honestly could care less about backstories about Mog, Umaro and Gogo myself. They're good characters, but adding backstories wouldn't add anything to the game and would be superfluous. I've noted that most of the backstories are connected either to the empire, or to other characters, and having random ones would feel out of place and forced. Especially Gogo. He's a mystery in himself, which is sort of the point of who he is.

Shadow's background never bothered me either. It's sketchy, but in the sort of way that dreams usually are. I don't know of anyone who watched them and weren't able to piece everything together. The only thing that's really vague about it is who Baram is, but they sort of leave that open for you to decide yourself. I have my own theories about who he is, and would feel sort of gipped is Square filled into the details of the oh-so-tragic past of an NPC and took away my fanfic fodder.

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Plus all the images i have seen of the charecters in there 3-d state (in that chibi form) make me cring. They look horrible and all look like they are still kids and not adults (except for those of them that are kids.).

Who says they'd have to be chibi? I was sort of unsure about a full 3D remake, but thinking about it, considering the time period the game is set in, I think it'd be well worth. If done right, the game would be absolutely stunning.

And I'm probably going to be stoned to death by purists for even saying that. ::sigh::

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But Lockes AlterEgo, what you don't get is that they COULD STILL INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL VERSION! I'm sayng that they should make a 3-d version for NEW PEOPLE, and keep the original version for people like you that would hate a better-looking version. So what's the big deal? And the 3-d versions you saw aren't really what I'm talking about, have you seen the FMVs from Final Fantasy Anthology? THAT's what I'm talking about. Mebbe not just like that, but y'know.

@alpha&omega: Actually, the main reason they aren't remaking FFVII is because they said that it's "still playable on the PS2" or something. As long as the PS3 and onward are backwards-compatible, they won't remake it. Actually... since the Nintendo Revolution will be able to download really old games, I guess it WILL be playable without a remake... but here's for hoping!

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But Lockes AlterEgo, what you don't get is that they COULD STILL INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL VERSION! I'm sayng that they should make a 3-d version for NEW PEOPLE, and keep the original version for people like you that would hate a better-looking version.

There's absolutely no point in including the original version of the game. None whatsoever. Let's say that the remake gets made. Those who want it pick up a copy, and the purists who don't ignore it and stick with the original cart or PSX version. Because the only people who really do care are the ones who already own the game.

Inserting the original game is a complete waste of time, money, developers and disk space.

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Wilson: "That smugness of yours really is an attractive quality."
House: "Thank you. It was either that or get my hair highlighted. Smugness is easier to maintain."

Your still missing the point once again, included with the orginal or not its still not the same beast. It like some one asking for a 7up and getting a sprite it just doesnt work. You have to remember everything a game is made up of is what either makes a game good or bad, mess that up and you lose all of the essence of the game, and the game its self. Purist help me out here please you know what i am talking about right.

Radia if you dont like it then leave no one is forceing you here or to play the game, let those of us who enjoy it please enjoy it in peace.

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Don't fear the reaper!
Wonderful system this "Democracy" is no mechanism to break a tie -Dinobot-
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Radia if you dont like it then leave no one is forceing you here or to play the game, let those of us who enjoy it please enjoy it in peace.

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were the only one allowed to voice an opinion. If you can't deal with people disagreeing with you, maybe youi should be the one to leave.

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Wilson: "That smugness of yours really is an attractive quality."
House: "Thank you. It was either that or get my hair highlighted. Smugness is easier to maintain."

FF6 was my favorite video game for a long time. But looking at this concept, I just am not interested. I don't think I'd care for it that much in 3D; I don't think I'd want a series of gaidens, I don't think it needs another 2D release. I'd rather just enjoy it for what it is and be done with it.

And Radia and LAE can expect a PM in the near future.

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 29th June 2005 11:24

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I want to take a moment to apologize to LAE, Spiffyness, and anyone else I might have upset. I have been excessively moody as of late, but that's no excuse for my behavior – it was a childish response on my behalf, and I'm very sorry.

I know this is probably better suited to a PM, but I really did want to make a public apology in the case that I offended multiple people. Which seems likely. I was in no way trying to start a flamewar of any sort, nor was it was intention to troll anyone. FFVI is my favorite game ever, and I do tend to get a bit…enthusiastic when discussing it. To a disturbing degree, really.

Again, I'm very sorry for the way I acted, and will make an honest effort to curb my cynicism in the future as to not lapse into a similar situation.

I wish I had something to contribute to the actual conversation so this wouldn't be totally offtopic, but I don't. And probably for the best, that. If you wish to warn me on account of it, R51, that's perfectly understandable. I just really needed to get this out there.

Sorry, everyone.
-Radia

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I see no need for a warning. Off topic or no, thanks for saying this. -R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 29th June 2005 20:22

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Wilson: "That smugness of yours really is an attractive quality."
House: "Thank you. It was either that or get my hair highlighted. Smugness is easier to maintain."

Nah, you didn't offend anyone, Radia. To tell you the truth, I don't really think that the 2-d version is necessary, either, but it would make the "purists" less angry about the whole shabang. A message to the Purists: You don't HAVE to play the 3-d FFVI, y'know! It's the same game, so instead of whining about how Square changed it, just DON'T PLAY IT! You won't be missing out on the story or nuthin'.

But if a remake was in order, Square WOULD make more money with a 3-d one than if they kept the old graphics, simply because it would appeal to more of this generation's gamers.

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The island bathes in the sun's bright rays
Distant hills wear a shroud of grey
A lonely breeze whispers in the trees
Sole witness to history

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I also need to make an appologie. Radia i only said what i said cause i worship (pratically) Final fantsy 6 for some one to say what you did was kinda like haveing my feet kicked out from under me. I meant nothing maliceious about it, i mearly was trying to say (nicely i though) that if you were going to say something like that that you should leave. Anyways i am sorry. It's also apperent i have been getting too involved with this topic so i shall hence forth with draw from it. My opion has been made and you all know how i feel on the subject. Thankyou and sorry for the disruption. On a final note to stay on topic, a remake just would not work for the game. They should keep it way it is period.

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OK, your apology wasn't quite as sincere, since you still seemed to be suggesting that Radia leave the forum. But... okay, I guess. -R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 29th June 2005 23:28

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Don't fear the reaper!
Wonderful system this "Democracy" is no mechanism to break a tie -Dinobot-
It's spelled Raymond Luxray Yatch but it's pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
Sic Semper Tyrannis bush.