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Quote (ArcKnight5000 @ 25th May 2005 13:36)

I'm sorry, but I'm with Mimic on this one...

Hip-hop has tight beats and stuff like that, but I personally think of it as a fad. (Yeah, I know, jaws dropping) Eventually, all of the "good" hip-hop artists are going to fade, just like the Backstreet Boys and InSync (spelling? ). If you want a good, solid, non-fad music genre, listen to Metallica, AC/DC, System of a Down, that kind of rock stuff.

Oh that is awesome! It's too rediculous to comprehend. Takes your breath away!

A fad! A FAD! That's just too friggin hilarious.

Aight sweet thang. Let me lay this down for ya. The backstreet boys and their ilk have lasted, at most, maybe five years from start to finish. Hip hop's lil fad has lasted for three decades. Yeah...that kinda doesn't make it fad actually... Just lett'n ya know.

Man, that post just really entertained me. Sorry for the slight derailment, but I just had to respond.

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Narratorway: Oh that is awesome! It's too rediculous to comprehend. Takes your breath away!

A fad! A FAD! That's just too friggin hilarious.

Aight sweet thang. Let me lay this down for ya. The backstreet boys and their ilk have lasted, at most, maybe five years from start to finish. Hip hop's lil fad has lasted for three decades. Yeah...that kinda doesn't make it fad actually... Just lett'n ya know.

Man, that post just really entertained me. Sorry for the slight derailment, but I just had to respond.

hell yeah, narratorway, you are the master.

This post has been edited by baralai888 on 28th May 2005 00:25

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"The answer is, of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved."
- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince

well said. for all the time i've listened to rap i've heard nuthin but "it'll go away eventually." but no, it's survived this long and it ain't goin nowhere!

PS: i'm also tired of hearing people say Pac's dead. that's such bulls**t.

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I have a hard time understanding the words most of the time. But they normally have a good beat.

is it that they go to fast(Twista, Mystikal, etc) or that the slang doesn't make sense? cuz it would if you think about it. and if you can't think of what it might mean, it prolly doesn't mean anything.

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Top Ten (this fluctuates when new albums are released.)

1. Common- After Be, Common might just be the best all around hip-hop artist in the game.

2. Mos Def- The New Danger is one of my new favorite albums.

3. J-Live- Still doesn't get the respect he deserves, but brilliant lyricist.

4. Tupac- Great artist, lyrics are still relevant ten years later.

5. Biggie- Again, changed the whole genre together with Pac, in only two albums made possibly ten of the best songs ever.

6. The Roots- I dropped them a lot since The Tipping Point was so rushed and uneven, but I'd still rather see these guys live than anyone else.

7. Talib Kweli- Still putting out great albums. I wish he'd get back with Mos and do another Black Star album, though.

8. De La Soul- To those who think they're just an old school rap group, go pick up The Grind Date which dropped in December. It's easily as good as anything they've done since Stakes is High.

9. Kanye West- If his career keeps up with the standard set by The College Dropout, he'll climb this list quickly.

10. Mission- A group no one's ever heard of made one of the best albums ever in One, then hasn't released anything else.

Honorable Mention:
(early) Jay-Z, (early) Nas, Wu-Tang, Wyclef, Mobb Deep, Pharcyde, dead prez, Tribe Called Quest, Eric B. and Rakim, Slick Rick, Snoop (before his mind left him), and Public Enemy.

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Hip-Hop QOTW:

"Yeah, where I'ma start it at, look I'ma part of that
Downtown Philly where it's realer than a heart attack
It wasn't really that ill until the start of crack
Now it's a body caught every night on the Almanac"

"Game Theory"
The Roots

Pac's latest album is one of the best ever. kudos to Aftermath for such a work of art.

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moé in the streets, senpai in the sheets

I really like early hip-hop music, where the culture was more about getting a social message across and changing the political climate. Now there's so much emphasis on crime and simple, mindless hedonism that I can't stand most modern rap artists, who seem interested in no calling higher than shooting their rivals and smoking a lot of marijuana. But there are still a few who manage to transcend the mess that the genre has become, notably Kanye West and the better half of Jay-Z.

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Im gonna have to agree that the OLD rap was alright. I actually like Dr dre and snoop dogg they have some good songs. My favorite is Still Dre and they are both in it
but all the rap i hear now just plain pisses me off, mostly the 50 cent stuff is what REALLY gets to me because hes just so damn lame, i mean, didnt he start out on the bring it on album? lmao

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lol, no, he didnt start out on the bring it on album DivineKnight, but i go agree that hes not very good for rap. granted, some of his albums were decent, like power of the dollar for instance, that album was one of the bext despite it never was officially released.

ive seen now that some ppl used to like hip hop, but ever since it went "mainstream" they dont really like it any more. why is this? i know some artists change when the become "popular" but they still have the same muzik for the most part.

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"The answer is, of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved."
- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince

Probably because of the effort it takes to find the good stuff, now that it's not played on the radio anymore. I'm sure the people who like the old school could find music now they enjoyed, but it's hard to walk into a music store and buy something by someone you haven't heard before. You sort of need to be immersed in the culture to know about up and coming rappers who aren't getting any airplay.

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Hip-Hop QOTW:

"Yeah, where I'ma start it at, look I'ma part of that
Downtown Philly where it's realer than a heart attack
It wasn't really that ill until the start of crack
Now it's a body caught every night on the Almanac"

"Game Theory"
The Roots

Quote (Narratorway @ 27th May 2005 14:51)

Quote (ArcKnight5000 @ 25th May 2005 13:36)

I'm sorry, but I'm with Mimic on this one...

Hip-hop has tight beats and stuff like that, but I personally think of it as a fad. (Yeah, I know, jaws dropping)  Eventually, all of the "good" hip-hop artists are going to fade, just like the Backstreet Boys and InSync (spelling? ).  If you want a good, solid, non-fad music genre, listen to Metallica, AC/DC, System of a Down, that kind of rock stuff.

Oh that is awesome! It's too rediculous to comprehend. Takes your breath away!

A fad! A FAD! That's just too friggin hilarious.

Aight sweet thang. Let me lay this down for ya. The backstreet boys and their ilk have lasted, at most, maybe five years from start to finish. Hip hop's lil fad has lasted for three decades. Yeah...that kinda doesn't make it fad actually... Just lett'n ya know.

Man, that post just really entertained me. Sorry for the slight derailment, but I just had to respond.

Actually, I seriously think that every single hip-hop artist is a fad. Look at how long they actually last. They go out of popularity, and nobody ever wants to listen to them again.

PS: Thank you for criticizing my personal opinion.

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AK5K 9th June 2005 08:05: Actually, I seriously think that every single hip-hop artist is a fad. Look at how long they actually last. They go out of popularity, and nobody ever wants to listen to them again.

PS: Thank you for criticizing my personal opinion. sleep.gif

hmmm AK5K, you really cant say that EVERY hiphop artist is a fad. you didnt make it clear in your 1st post, but you were talkin' bout hiphop in general, i think thats why narratorway responded to you. anyways, rappers like 2pac have been famous for quite awhile. snoop dogg is still going strong as well. there are a few rappers who disappear after a couple years, but there are also many who stay around for a long time. its not quite fair to make a generalization about EVERY rapper out there, but i see your point with a few of them.

This post has been edited by baralai888 on 9th June 2005 17:24

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"The answer is, of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved."
- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince

I know this is an old thread, but this merits an update:

http://www.chronotriggermixtape.com/

It's crazy-awesome. This guy takes random hip-hop tracks and backs them with the Chrono Trigger music. The song selection is *really* bad at times, but Mitsuda's music somehow makes Young Jeezy and Kelis more tolerable. The remixes are worth downloading even just for some comedy kicks. Definitely check out the Common track and the Cassidy track, those are probably my two favorites.

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You can't spell Crap without Rap!

Haha, I'm a metal lover, although I don't mind some Rap, but most Rap is just talking about sex and violence. Either way, not too bothered. I just detest the people that think they're gangster because they listen to it.

Plus it dumbs people down by giving them a new language, I have to spend ages trying to figure out what people are saying haha.

raps is awesome it is all i ever listen to so i guess that you can say that people do like hip hop. me and my family all listen to icp every night so i guess that hip hop has been my raising way.

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why do people enjoy rap? All the popular rap is these days are
1) unbelievably predictable lyrics (we get it, you're rich)
2) taking once-good songs and putting those terrible lyrics onto it
3) claiming that the rap is misunderstood and street. Yeah, selling 13 million copies of that stuff is REAL misunderstood, and REAL ghetto.

My only exceptions are the underground artists (hats off to you, madvillan), eminem (but only a few early songs), Kanye West (how can you not like him?), and MC Lars (that dude is HILLARIOUS!) other wise, Rap to me is crap with a silent c...


want to hear something GOOD? Room on fire. The strokes. Buy it now.

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I don't like rap.

Alright, got that out of the way.

Some of the lyrics are okay, once in a while, and I usually try to avoid rap. Two things I don't understand:

1) Do you really need your own language, rappers? Fo shizzle mah nizzle, kazizzle ro bizzle? Methinks someone's brain ka-sizzled a bit too much.

2) Bling-bling. Why do it? Why give rappers another stereotype? Wearing ridiculous amounts of gold, including teeth, wearing sideways hats, and all the weird fashion is incomprehensible to me.

Of course, being one of the young'uns here on CoN, naturally I like classic rock. (for those who don't get it, that was irony). I like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Cream, etc.

And then there's the whole ghetto scene. Ok, you're from "inner city" New York(actually, wasn't Eminem raised in the suburbs?). Great, should you be boasting about being poor, at least formerly? And then you get huge houses just to 'stick it to the man'.

Profanity. When used rationally in songs it can really give a sense of power to your music. But the way some rappers use profanity, it's just like Green Day, "ALRIGHT YOU KNOW HOW TO CURSE WE GET IT!!!"

I could go on.

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Personally, I don't want to hear about how hard it is on the streets or how black folk are so underpriviledged from anyone with platinum capped teeth, multitudes of thick gold chains/bracelets/rings, a multi-million $ mansion, and a fleet of vehicles. I don't want to hear about pimpin' out ladies or gettin' booty from said hoes. I don't want to see these people flailing about like monkeys (NOT a race comparison, please understand that), pointing guns at eachother, trafficing drugs, threating gang warfare, ganging up with a bunch of their homies to anihilate one individual, and telling me it's all about street cred. Set all of this to music and you basically have a circus of with every performer a clown. I don't want to see anyone emulating these people to gain said street cred - not the under-priviliged, not the upper-class, and not those inbetween.

I have absolutely no respect for the music or the people involved. None in the least.

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wow guys, that really is a lot of hate! granted there are MANY rappers out there that are not good at all. however! making generalizations about EVERY rapper out there isnt right either!

there are lots of REAL rappers that write awesome lyrics that make sense and actually affect many people! like talib kweli (im gonna go see him perform tomorrow actually:), mos def, and many others! i respect the criticism for much of the mainstream rap, and some of it is rightfully deserved. but i personally think making generalizations of rap and rappers is kinda unfair (especially if you have not listened to the variety of artists that are out there)

This post has been edited by baralai888 on 11th May 2006 23:20

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wow guys, that really is a lot of hate! granted there are MANY rappers out there that are not good at all. however! making generalizations about EVERY rapper out there isnt right either!

That's what MTV is for. I saw the Dave Chapelle's Block Party recently and if you actually want to hear some really kick ass hip hop, that's a very good place to start. Doesn't sound anything like the shit they play on tv. It's actually good.

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Ok, I'll ease off a little bit Mainly what I stated applies only to the guilty parties. I don't mind rap if it's in the style of Drum 'n bass or the like. But then only in small doses, cause I'm still a metal head at heart.

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wow guys, that really is a lot of hate! granted there are MANY rappers out there that are not good at all. however! making generalizations about EVERY rapper out there isnt right either!

That's because most of these people have NEVER heard any good hip-hop. Or if they have, all the crap they play on the radio and BET has automatically made them filter it out without really listening. I used to get indignant when people would automaticall dismiss rap music, but you just have to remind yourself they're not talking about the kind of rap WE like.

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like talib kweli (im gonna go see him perform tomorrow actually:)

Nice. Kweli hasn't been to Chicago for awhile. He's one of my favorite MCs to see live. Few rappers match his energy and stage presence. Enjoy the show, man.

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Hip-Hop QOTW:

"Yeah, where I'ma start it at, look I'ma part of that
Downtown Philly where it's realer than a heart attack
It wasn't really that ill until the start of crack
Now it's a body caught every night on the Almanac"

"Game Theory"
The Roots

There's a lot of criticism with the image that rap/hip-hop artist put up, whether it is degrading to society or they be just plain frontin', which is understandable. Understandable, that is, up until the point where people begin to correlate them to rock/metal counterparts as if they are any better or less ludicrous. To me, many of these "sweet awesome metal bands" that play guitar "masterfully" and make "deep, poignant lyrics" put up just as much of a silly facade as a "gangsta from the streets." I would go as far as to say that it is even more annoying (not even considering the "music" that said bands put out). As a welcomer of all genres, I've always felt that a major flaw in any genre bashing arguement is the claim that one's own favorite genre's public image is any better, since it is really no better or worse when viewed with different eyes.

Additionally, I think it's very hard to draw up support for rap and hip-hop in an environment like a rather exclusively-based audience of a Final Fantasy Message Board. Naturally, you're going to get a lot of metal and rock band enthusiasts, just considering the people that 1) use the internet and 2) frequent places like this.

Finally, as a personal opinion, I definitely enjoy some rap and hip-hop. Sometimes it's for the beats, and sometimes it's just for a quick and superficial satisfaction of a funny set of lyrics or ideas. And, of course, you have the gems that are simply great to listen to. I would have to say that in many cases I prefer rap over metal because it is clearly more coherent (yes, I mean that) than a bunch of screaming and crazy slamming of guitars, and its a little lighter and easier to get in the mood with. To each his own, of course.

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You take your favourite type of music, and playing it really loudly is great! But if someone does this and it's not music your fond of, it's terrible!

Yeah, I've been afraid of blasting things like Aria of Sorrow's "Clock Tower" or Symphony of the Night's "The Tragic Prince" too loudly.

I never liked rap music partly because the lyrics--so much of it is just WAY too dirty for my taste.

However, I have enjoyed the harmonies in some songs, such as Eminem's "The Way I Am". I also don't mind the use of a spoken, unpitched voice for a solo--it's just a feature of the style, and I can enjoy it.

I must ask, though, What is the difference between "hip-hop" and "rap"? I mean, this topic is about hip-hop and then the first post speaks of rap, so that confirms my idea they were somehow related. To my knowledge, rap is rhythmically-arranged spoken (usually male) voice over percussion and an ostinato (repeating) bass line. What is hip-hop--is it that kind of music that involves somewhat more singing than rap, often with a female voice?

Oh, and one more thing: I've noticed that hip-hop/rap seems to be, along with punk rock, one (or two) of the two (or three) most prominent genres among American teenagers and young adults. Anyone thoughts on why that's the case?

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I used to get indignant when people would automaticall dismiss rap music, but you just have to remind yourself they're not talking about the kind of rap WE like.

i feel you gears thanx man, ive never seen kweli live, but im lookin real forward to it.

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I don't care for it at all, although the only songs I've ever heard are on the radio/what others are listening to, so I probably haven't heard enough to judge the whole genre anyway. Still, most of the stuff I've heard sounds like the same exact thing, over and over again. I hope most of the older stuff is better.

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personally, i listen to just about any kind of music that hits me. Rap seems to get more than others, but it has to be the older stuff. new rap songs are hardly to be considered rap, more than speech with noise. The true classics, the Tupac's, the Biggie's, the Run-DMC's, thats true rap. thats what i listen to. btw, all those rock/metal praisers, i do listen to these songs as well, but these too have to be the older stuff, the classic metallica (Disposable Heroes on Master. unbelievable song) the Iron Maiden, the Motorhead, the old stuff. the true origins of the genre. thats were the heart on the music lies.

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many of these "sweet awesome metal bands" that play guitar "masterfully" and make "deep, poignant lyrics" put up just as much of a silly facade as a "gangsta from the streets." I would go as far as to say that it is even more annoying (not even considering the "music" that said bands put out).

I wouldn't say more annoying, but I agree many metal bands are guilty of putting up a facade. Prime example: Black metal. They have their corpse paint, leather clothing, spiked armor, medieval weaponry, etc, and the oh-so-EVIL attitude... it's silly. The only reason I can listen to it is because I rarely pay attention to the band themselves, but rather the music coming out of my speakers, which is pleasing. I would certainly be able to offer the same form of detachment to rap artists IF I liked the music. But I don't.

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As a welcomer of all genres, I've always felt that a major flaw in any genre bashing arguement is the claim that one's own favorite genre's public image is any better, since it is really no better or worse when viewed with different eyes.

It's all competition really. Some would say that's what makes North America, and capitalism in general, great. Music is a commodity these days after all.

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Additionally, I think it's very hard to draw up support for rap and hip-hop in an environment like a rather exclusively-based audience of a Final Fantasy Message Board. Naturally, you're going to get a lot of metal and rock band enthusiasts, just considering the people that 1) use the internet and 2) frequent places like this.

So you're saying that metal and rock enthusiasts are internet and RPG Geeks? I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you were getting at there. It's not a far stretch to assume that many people here would like rap as well... you know, cause many people people into pop, R&B, and rap use the internet and frequent places like this. I actually find it funny when I think of a person into rap also being into RPGs - it seems quite a contrast to me. Perfectly valid of course.

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I would have to say that in many cases I prefer rap over metal because it is clearly more coherent (yes, I mean that) than a bunch of screaming and crazy slamming of guitars, and its a little lighter and easier to get in the mood with. To each his own, of course.

You've obviously been exposed to the wrong metal bands


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I have this ideology that I don't need to know anything about a style of music's genre, rather, just let me hear the music itself. In the end, you either like music or you don't and everyone's tastes are different.

I wasn't and am not the biggest rap or hip hop enthusiast, but I do listen to a bit of it here and there, because I like to stay open minded and exposed to different things, especially since I'm a musician myself and feel that you can't box yourself in or you'll limit your own creativity.

Anyways, I agree with the general statement that the whole "gangsta", "Get Rich Or Die Tryin'" trend is a tad overdone and counter-productive for the Hip-Hop stylings. Still, for every genre there are hundreds of groups, acts and musicians who detract from the movement rather than help, I mean does anyone remember Limp Bizkit? Or what about Slipknot? I suppose singing about slitting people's throats and eating people's babies is a lot better than talking about shooting people and making money, right? There's bad in everything, you just have to know what to look for.

Call it mainstream, but I have a huge amount of respect for Outkast, but then I don't call it "rap" or "hip hop" or "pop" or anything, I call it good music. I call Tupac good music because it's soulfull and connects strong themes and deep meanings with a sort of groove and funk that was all his own. 50 Cent couldn't match that sort of skill with all the money he's made.

Oh, and just to be completely hypocritical, Lil' John is one of my guilty pleasures, because hearing him say "Yeaaaaaaaah" makes me laugh hysterically and wonder what's wrong with us for enjoying this.

So, I guess I'm just repeating what a few people have said before me, that it's not ALL about "bitches" and "bling", "keepin' it real" or being as "gangsta" as possible, though it is the most common form we see. You can't expect every artist to be a masterful genious, there are tons of horrible rock, metal, pop, techno, country, folk and classical artists too, you know.

Wasn't Nickleback the definition of rock until recently? I mean, that's pretty bad in itself.

So cut the Rappers and Hip Hop artists some slack. If you don't like it, hey that's fine. If you do, more power to you. In the end, music is music, make of it what you will.

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