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i might be going to see it but then again i might not.I haven't really decided I mean have seen all of the other star war,I did not really enjoy episode 1 and 2.

It's an excuse to get together with some really good friends! So I probably will see it. And it sounds like it should be quite entertaining. I'm not a hard core star wars fan but the first three films were great stuff and episode one and two were ok.

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I'm not that big a fan of Star Wars as such, the original trilogy's entertaining enough, but I'm no looney feverent fanatical whacko who'll camp for years waiting to see it, nor am I prepared to spend time in the cinema that could be better spent elsewhere. So I might see it, if I find the cash and spare time at some point, but failing that, DVD rental when it's out.



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Me and my wife got tickets for second day (I work first day.)

I'm excited though. We got tickets for an old theater, that has kinda crappy seating, but has a HUGE screen. All those new fancy theaters around have screens only about 2/3 the size of it. We plan on getting there very early to get good seats though.

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I find star wars very boreing. I want to go to the first showing of it so i can see all of the diehard fans. My friend and i are going to try to get tickets just to laghe at all the people in costumes. We most lickly will get kicked out lol we have been planing all these things to say. I also saw the last one come out on the first day just great enjoyment.lol lol lol

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I'm only seeing it because my friend asked me to, and I haven't seen her in months.
If it weren't for that, I wouldn't be bothering.

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"Next week is the big Star Wars premier. Whoooo! Looking forward to that also. I re-dyed my brown courderoy jumper to wear that night. It will be the same exact outfit I wore the first time I went to see Star Wars in theatres (Feb. 1997). I'm going to try to duplicate my whole outfit right down to my purse (Paco!). This time though, I'm taking pictures."

Yes, my party and I are going to see the midnight showing. I usually am not one to go to the movie theatres regularly, but this movie I thought warranted it. First Hitchhiker's Guide, now Star Wars. This will be the first time since 1999 that I will go to a non-matinee showing of a movie.

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I find star wars very boreing. I want to go to the first showing of it so i can see all of the diehard fans. My friend and i are going to try to get tickets just to laghe at all the people in costumes. We most lickly will get kicked out lol we have been planing all these things to say. I also saw the last one come out on the first day just great enjoyment.lol lol lol

So...

Is it lamer to go see a movie on opening night because you actually like it...

or...

because you have nothing better to do than make fun of people who have a cooler hobby than making fun of people at the movies...?

Zen.

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Although I was kinda disapointed with the previous two Star Wars films , I probably will go see this one a week or so after it comes out.

Maybe it will be as good as the original for once.

Just saw it at 12:01, and i must say...



... this had to be one of the BEST movies in the series. I'd rank it between ESB and RotJ. I don't see where people get off say the acting was stale, and the reduced scenes with anakin and padme was quite alright with me.

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Just saw it at 12:01, and i must say...



... this had to be one of the BEST movies in the series. I'd rank it between ESB and RotJ. I don't see where people get off say the acting was stale, and the reduced scenes with anakin and padme was quite alright with me.

12:01 show myself... that made up for episode II.

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Just saw it myself and it was unbelievable. I consider ESB to be the best one of the series and Revenge of the Sith ranks right up there.

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I have plans to go see it Sunday with some of my friends.

I read an interesting article warning fans to stay away from toys, soundtracks, etc. if they don't want spoilers. (But, seriously--how much of a spoiler can there be? OMG, does Anakin turn evil or not??!?!?!?!one!11!)

Apparently, the soundtrack to Episode 1 had a track entitled (and I guess I'll put it in spoilers)

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Qiu-Gon's Noble End.

It reminds me of the way they title anime episodes sometimes. "A tragic end? Farewell, Nuriko!" Hmm, I wonder what happens next? ^_^()

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I agree with Gabe. Episode III is amazing. The lightsaber duels have much more of a "real" feel to them than battles in the last episodes, and Hayden Christensen does a much better job than in Episode II. It will go down as among my favorite films of all time, but there were a couple disappointing parts. First, Lucas created the most ridiculous dialogue for the few exchanges between Anakin and Padme. Second,

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Anakin's transition to the Dark Side went smoothly, but he switched allegiances damn fast -- appearing wildly confused after helping to kill Windu, then going on his knee and calling Palpatine "Master"

Aside from a couple flaws, it was absolutely amazing.

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I went to see Episode III this morning at 12:01 am. I just got back an hour ago from my second sitting. Yeah, I've seen it twice already in the same day.

I personally found it to be, without a doubt, the best episode. Absolutely amazing. Lucas hasn't lost his touch after all.

I have a new fav:
1.) Revenge of the Sith
2.) Return of the Jedi
3.) A New Hope
4.) The Empire Strikes Back
5.) Attack of the Clones
6.) The Phantom Menace

I never thought that a prequel could beat out RotJ. Thats quite the feat. I was very impressed with the scriptwriting, the intesity, the lighting, the acting, all of it...fantastic. They found the perfect Anakin. You know that for sure when you see the look in his eyes as he overlooks the lava. Truly a look of Vader, no doubt.

Oh, and Pink? I think I may have a reason for your complaint:

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I thought the same thing at first. I think that Sidious was using some kind of brain control on him. If you watch his eyes, you can tell he's using the Dark Side to influence Anakin.

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Well it certainly beats the last two episodes but in my opinion it certainly doesn't beat any of the original films.

It kept me interested throughout the film, which is good. It was pretty depressing but I guess they didn't have much choice, considering they had to link this movie to the original three.

What I didn't like was the way Anakin is

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suddenly a mass murderer, who even goes so far as to kill children. He loses all moral fibre within a very short time, it just didn't seem right to me.

I think they could have done this better. It just tells me that Anakin is a bit of an idiot and

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easily mainpulated and he must have a lot of evil in him in the first place.

And like the previous movies, you get those droids that make silly noises and go "o oh" in extremely silly voices. Who's idea was this? Comic relief in the middle of almost every battle?

Anyway.. I did enjoy watching it but it's no "one of the best movies ever".

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Well it certainly beats the last two episodes but in my opinion it certainly doesn't beat any of the original films.

finally, someone with their wits about them!

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i saw it yesterday in the morning and i was thoroughly disappointed. of course, i went in expecting to be thoroughly disappointed, and i actually came out less disappointed than i had gone in expecting to be, so i consider it a positive moviegoing experience. at any rate, while certainly better than the last two films, rots is still typical lucas fare: breathtaking cinematics, beautiful cg scenery, and the worst scriptwriting known to contemporary hollywood. couple this with the fact that the *only* actor that captures the "star wars" spirit successfully is ewan mcgregor and you've got a bunch of eye candy that is really somewhat devoid of a meaningful/believable plot.

like fatman said, anakin's turn to the dark side played out WAY too abruptly. one scene, he's turning in the chancellor to the jedi council. he's apparently having a serious psychological dilemma when windu and palpatine are fighting. five minutes later, he's slaughtering jedi younglings at the temple. i'm also rather incredulous of anakin's turning to palpatine for the sole reason of this mysterious power to save lives that he hopes to apply to padme...when the chancellor has clearly no knowledge of the power outside of some sith legend -- and even admits to anakin that he doesn't have any control over it, anyway. so why does anakin go from "oh, you;re evil, i'm turning you in" to "i will do whatever you command, my master" on the basis of some nonexistent power. is he really that much of an idiot?

now, if the general dialogue was bad, any dialogue between padme an anakin is unimaginably poor. lucas, it's i guess rationalisable that you've developed a big head...but for the love of good film, let someone else write your scripts. one scene between the two of them the dialogue was so bad i actually found myself having to stifle a string of chuckles.

it was pretty. very, very pretty. but we've been waiting so many years to see anakin's turn to the dark side, and it gets resolved without apparently much thought put into the plot -- a damn shame if you ask me. it certainly doesn't live up to the original trilogy, in my book.

(as a side note, it would be interesting to see how many of the old-school elitists who hate 3d games because developers "put all the effort into the package and none into the plot" actually liked this movie, lol)

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Well it certainly beats the last two episodes but in my opinion it certainly doesn't beat any of the original films.

finally, someone with their wits about them!

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like fatman said, anakin's turn to the dark side played out WAY too abruptly. one scene, he's turning in the chancellor to the jedi council.

Actually...

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Anakin's turn to the dark side began in Episode II with the death of his mom. Even Dooku said at the end of Episode II, "The boy has begun". The thought of Padme dying and the Jedi Council betraying the Republic pushed him to the brink and when he saw Mace ready to kill the only one he thought could save the one he loved he snapped.

The only problem I had with the whole movie was the death of Padme. In Return of the Jedi, Leia tells Luke that she remembers a little about her real mother, but how could she. What she remembers the 5 minutes after she was born of her mother?

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Everyone be shocked at my ranking of the 6 movies now.

1. Return of the Jedi

2. New Hope

3. Empire Strikes Back

4. Phantom Menace

5. Revenge of the Sith

6. Clone Wars


You know what. I always here about how everyone hates Phantom Menace. I actually liked it! It was brand new. New story line. Mega bad ass Sith (Darth Maul is how I would imagine a Sith would be. Admit it, he was a sweet Sith.)

Yes. Jar-Jar was annoying. I can get past that. Anni was a bit annoying as a kid too, but over all, it was a really good movie. I am shocked how people keep playing it off as a bad one, if not the worst one.


That being said, here is what I thought of RotS.

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It was a pretty movie. I'll admit that. The begining of the movie was very nice. Off to a good start. I liked how it showed the evolution of ships into the X-wing (Did anyone else notice that?) I also thought the Obi's and Anakin's ships began to look a bit like the Tie Specials (Look as they go into attack mode... Maybe that one was just me....)

Bugged me, like alot of other people, how quickly he turned evil. He was begging Mace to spare Sidious, because it was NOT THE JEDI WAY. 5 minutes later, he goes and slaughters kids. KIDS.

Eh.. It was alright, it filled the gap, but it wasn't great.

Best part of the movie for me was

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as the credits were rolling, I overheard some 20-something woman say to her friends, "I thought Obi Kanobi was going to die!" Man, the whole way home I was joking about that with my wife.

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I saw a 9:45 last night, and it was completely worth doing. As I've said in chat, even before seeing it, even if Hayden Christensen was a two-by-four all throughout this movie (and he was), it would still be a step up from Ep2, when he was a full-on tree stump; still wooden in Ep3, but more managable.

The more I think about it, the more I think that it's just simply impossible to compare the two trilogies. They had different goals, and different styles. If I'm forced, I think that I would have to rank it just behind ESB in terms of enjoyment from first viewing, but I think in terms of just simply how good a movie it is, I don't think it matches any of the first three except for maybe RotJ.

Discussing it with my wife on the drive home last night, we realized that there were some nicely drawn parallels betwen Anakin and Luke between the trilogies.

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The way they played the death of Count Dooku near the beginning was an interesting analogy to one of the closing scenes in RotJ, as Luke is tempted by the Emperor, for instance.

I, too, did not have a problem with Anakin's conversion to the dark side. As much as I dislike agreeing with BGRugby about anything, he's right - the process started earlier. But even if you consider only Ep3, he was showing dark tendencies from the get go,

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beginning with the slaying of Dooku and the ease with which Palpatine manipulated him into believing the Chancellor's every word

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The reason it seemed so sudden to some people, I think was the "change of heart" in terms of Windu. But Anakin NEVER went there with the intention of making Windu not kill Palpatine. Anakin saying "It's not the Jedi way" was for his own benefit - he'd already converted to the dark side, and he was just trying anything he could think of to spare his new Master. This even ties in with him turning the Chancellor over to the council - there's no way to say that it wasn't part of the whole plan of disinformation, used to lure the Jedi out to their deaths.

In general, I think a lot of Goz's statements are really not quite accurate.

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Palpatine actually tells Anakin early on the legend of Darth... blast, what was his name? Oh well. He mentioned the force power to alter death, and he then said that this older Sith Lord had taught everything to his apprentice - and, I don't believe that Palpatine was anything but obvious in implying that this apprentice was himself. Therefore, there's no reason to think that Anakin had misplaced his hope in saving Padme. He just didn't find out until it was too late to care.

I do agree that the dialog was very bad in spots. Notably all of Mace Windu's lines - Sammy was phoning it in, just like he did in Ep2. But the worst was obviously Anakin and Padme. I actually got shushed once by someone behind me, because before I could stop myself, I groaned, "Oh, Jesus, what is this?" during one of their scenes.

Beyond that, my only complaint was the direction of the fight scenes. Something notable about the original movies is how epic in scope and fluid the battles were - from 1v1 duels to full-scale ground assaults. That wasn't there in Episode 2, and it CERTAINLY wasn't there in 3. Virtually every battle was displayed as a technological marvel rather than a plot device - blaster shots, missiles, lightsabres everywhere until you simply could not follow the action.

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Even the cool battles fell into this trap - Obi v. General Greivous, the Wookiee battle on Kashyyk, Mace & Co. v. Palpatine - they were all lightshows with very little substance.

My favorite part, though, was the attempts to tie RotS to ANH, even when they weren't that hot.

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• The presence of "Captain Antilles" at the end, ostensibly Wedge's father - Wedge was not much older than Luke, right?
• The subtle modification of the Mandalorian armor to look more like Imperial Stormtrooper armor
• Erasing C-3P0's memory (but what of R2?)
• Bail Organa developing into more of the leader, whose exploits are further referenced in ANH
• The personal "walkers" used by the clones, which clearly were single-person versions of the later AT-ST and AT-AT
• The use of a speeder bike

And I'm sure many more than I missed or have forgotten since 2am last night, when I finally got home.

Overall, if you expect to hate it, you're going to focus on the bad parts. If you expect to love it, you'll cheer at the end, like the morons in our theatre did. If you're in the middle, you'll probably really appreciate it, but still see the flaws - as many of them have been pointed out here already.

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The only problem I had with the whole movie was the death of Padme. In Return of the Jedi, Leia tells Luke that she remembers a little about her real mother, but how could she. What she remembers the 5 minutes after she was born of her mother?

I may have been slightly out of it (and so did not have my thinking cap on) from getting up at 5am the previous morning but during the movie that's the biggest glaring inconsistancy that slapped me across the face. I told everyone who was with me about that and they just kinda shruged.

After some sleep (3hrs?) I was able to think a bit more clearly about all the things that happened that were 'wrong' in the movie. At the time, my logical thinking patterns went out the door, and I was just happy to be able to drive myself okay 10 miles back home that night. I was really into the movie as almost a pure feeling or sensation, rather than getting into analysis mode.

I thought that Yoda's appearance on Kashyyk(sp?) was rather pointless. It was nice to see

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Chewie

but I got a similar feel as to when I saw Worf on the later Star Trek movies, "It's nice to see you again, but why are you here exactly?". I really like Padme as a character but couldn't help but feel she was slightly superfluous in most scenes. Another female friend of mine were chatting and laughing at a few parts "Yeah, I always were fancy lingerie, makeup, and all my jewelery to bed, don't you?". Other than what I mentioned previously,

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I thought her death was more than suspect. "Oh Anakin, you broke my heart and nearly killed me." *die* And here I thought she was supposed to be a tough cookie.

Of all the characters, the most believable performances came from Obi Wan and Chancellor Palpatine (or how about the least wooden acting?).

Heh, one of my friends has a new nickname, Obi Juan.

Oh, and Bail Organa is hawt.

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The only problem I had with the whole movie was the death of Padme. In Return of the Jedi, Leia tells Luke that she remembers a little about her real mother, but how could she. What she remembers the 5 minutes after she was born of her mother?

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Me and my wife were actually talking about this last night. Neither of us recall Leia EVER saying that she was adopted. Maybe the mother she remembers ISN'T Padme, but her adopted mother. Because all through 4, 5, and 6, she is called Princess Leia, or Leia Organa (even in the books). Luke knows that he is with his Uncle and Aunt, and that his last name is Skywalker, but it never hints at that to Leia IIRC.

Or maybe it's just some Force power or something... I dunno

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I, too, did not have a problem with Anakin's conversion to the dark side. As much as I dislike agreeing with BGRugby about anything, he's right - the process started earlier. But even if you consider only Ep3, he was showing dark tendencies from the get go,

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beginning with the slaying of Dooku and the ease with which Palpatine manipulated him into believing the Chancellor's every word

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no one made *any* mention even in fleeting of when the "process started," and it should be interesting enough to note that even if the "process started" in the beginning of episode i, the complaints everyone has made up to this point are valid and still stand: in one scene, anakin is clearly still struggling with good v evil. in the very next, he is calling palpatine "master" (even after being affirmed by palpatine himself that he does not have the power over death) and slaughtering children. perhaps it makes for a more action-packed film, but it's pathetic storywriting. we are all very clearly aware that anakin's turn to the dark side began in ep ii; we saw him being seduced ever closer in the early parts of ep iii; *still,* his final conversion screamed "quickfix" and seemed terribly rushed.

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In general, I think a lot of Goz's statements are really not quite accurate.

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Palpatine actually tells Anakin early on the legend of Darth... blast, what was his name? Oh well. He mentioned the force power to alter death, and he then said that this older Sith Lord had taught everything to his apprentice - and, I don't believe that Palpatine was anything but obvious in implying that this apprentice was himself. Therefore, there's no reason to think that Anakin had misplaced his hope in saving Padme. He just didn't find out until it was too late to care.

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it's painfully obvious that anakin hadn't a damn clue that palpatine was a sith lord or could even use the force when he was telling him the story of darth plagueis (after all, he gets pissed when he finally finds out). furthermore, at no time throughout the entire movie does sidious *ever* claim to have been plagueis' apprentice. of course, to the viewer who has from episode i known that darth sidious and chancellor palpatine are one and the same, it's easy to tell. however, there is no indication that anakin has any reason to draw that understanding. and sure, he found out when it was "too late to care" -- but the whole problem lies in the fact that "too late to care" is a damn two minutes after he's having some serious moral dilemmae. "hey asshole, i'm turning you in" --> "oh, what have i done?!" --> "so you really DIDN'T know the power which was the only plausible reason i would have turned to your side, master? oh well. cool beans. let me go wreck some kid jedi's day."

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[*]The presence of "Captain Antilles" at the end, ostensibly Wedge's father - Wedge was not much older than Luke, right?
[*]Erasing C-3P0's memory (but what of R2?)

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while there is no way to tell whether it is wedge's father, in ep i, threepio tells luke that his last master was "captain antilles." i guess artoo's memory wasn't erased because he can't talk. but that begs the question of protecting him from being hacked into...maybe he can erase his memory banks at willl if there is appreciable risk.

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Color me pissed over lack of Gungan Genocide.





Besides that it was pretty damn good.

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I think Ian McDiarmid did an EXCELLENT Job with Palpatine. I mean he was the Emporer in the original too. But I was surprised to see he was in the crappy MacBeth play they had us watch this year in school. He was really inspired. The way he became the Emporer in an almost Ceaseresque way was sweet. He was playing both sides of the field to suit his own needs.

Ewan McGregor.
What can i say? He really did a bang up job at capturing the character of Obi-Wan.

Samuel L-
He was good. I always thought he was a good actor. His death was really neat.

Hayden- (Thunk) Wood. Better wood than Episode II but not too great still. It really took away from the Character of Vader you see in the trilogy to see him act the way he did after they rebuilt him.

Yoda vs Palpatine- kekekekeke. That was so badass.

Too many fights. They got overplayed. Usually the original movies centered around a plot that built up to a big lightsaber duel- like in Phantom Menace even.

I guess it WAS a war. So ya know.

Chewbacca = Totally unneeded. Talk about an attempt to bring in a sense of nostalgia.

Overall the ending was great. Plot holes though.

DeathStar- Did it really take like 20 years to build that? After the first one fell the second one was up within like a year or 2 tops.

3P0 and R2- Why doesn't uncle Owen remember them? He's the girly protocall droid with the astromech droid. You usually don't forget that stuff.

Gungans- What the hell happened to them? Really.



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I have to agree with gozaru here concerning

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Anakin's turn to the dark side. Of course you could simply argue the fact that he's a complete idiot in an attempt to get round it but he's a Jedi. Aren't Jedi Knights meant to be intelligent?

Palpatine states clearly, as I recall, he does not have this power that could save Padme but if they work together they could hopefully discover it.

If it was in fact a kind of Jedi mind trick used to bring Anakin to the dark side, would Palpatine have needed to have bothered with all the convincing Anakin that the Jedi are evil?

It seems to me, the plot is attempting to convince us Anakin Skywalker lacks a lot of intelligence and is very foolish and desperately needed some phyciatric help.

The plot really isn't what it should have been in my opinion. It just seems illogical to me.

I don't like to be pesimistic. I will point out, it could have been a lot worse. It was worth £6 to see. While the plot may have been a bit pants, there are things that save this film from being a travesty, which others in the thread have pointed out.

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Regarding C-3PO and R2D2:

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If you remember back to A New Hope, when Luke looks at the message, C-3PO translates for R2D2, saying that R2 is claiming to have once been owned by an "Obi-Wan Kenobi." C-3PO goes on to say that he has no idea what R2D2 is talking about and blames it on a malfunction, or something. This would explain why R2's memory was not wiped, though 3PO's was.

And Obi-Wan didn't bring the droids with him to Tatooine when delivering Luke, so that's why Owen wouldn't remember them. And even if he had, would you remember a droid that you saw for maybe 2 minutes about 20 years later?

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Regarding C-3PO and R2D2:

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If you remember back to A New Hope, when Luke looks at the message, C-3PO translates for R2D2, saying that R2 is claiming to have once been owned by an "Obi-Wan Kenobi." C-3PO goes on to say that he has no idea what R2D2 is talking about and blames it on a malfunction, or something. This would explain why R2's memory was not wiped, though 3PO's was.

And Obi-Wan didn't bring the droids with him to Tatooine when delivering Luke, so that's why Owen wouldn't remember them. And even if he had, would you remember a droid that you saw for maybe 2 minutes about 20 years later?

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if you recall- C-3PO SERVED on the Lars ranch for quite some time. He went there with anakins mother. When Anakin went to see what became of her he brought R2 With him as well. Even if he didn't remember R2, he ought recall 3P0, as he was a permanant resident of the farm at one point under the same name.

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it's painfully obvious that anakin hadn't a damn clue that palpatine was a sith lord or could even use the force when he was telling him the story of darth plagueis (after all, he gets pissed when he finally finds out). furthermore, at no time throughout the entire movie does sidious *ever* claim to have been plagueis' apprentice. of course, to the viewer who has from episode i known that darth sidious and chancellor palpatine are one and the same, it's easy to tell. however, there is no indication that anakin has any reason to draw that understanding. and sure, he found out when it was "too late to care" -- but the whole problem lies in the fact that "too late to care" is a damn two minutes after he's having some serious moral dilemmae. "hey asshole, i'm turning you in" --> "oh, what have i done?!" --> "so you really DIDN'T know the power which was the only plausible reason i would have turned to your side, master? oh well. cool beans. let me go wreck some kid jedi's day."

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Doesn't Darth Sidious talk about how he killed his master in his sleep? How his master was so powerful, he could control life his self, but in his sleep, he was unable to do it? Am I wrong in remembering him saying that in the movie? I swear to you he does..... and if Darth Plagus taught his apprentice EVERYTHING, like Sidious says... He also says later only one Sith has ever had the power to control life... Which is it?

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Not at all Faiden. Although R51 says that it is obvious

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that Palpatine is implying he was the apprentice of the legend Darth Plagus, Palpatine never actually says at any point that he was in fact the apprentice.

I suppose it's up to you as to whether or not you think he actually was. Personally, I think he wasn't, considering, as I said before, Palpatine states he does NOT have the power to save those that are close to him from death and neither does he know how to aquire the power but if him and Anakin work together, they will hopefully discover this legendary power. And as he basically states the apprentice of Plagus DID learn the power, it surely cannot be him that was the apprentice.

That's how I feel about it at the moment. I'm no huge Star War fan though, so perhaps I've misinterpreted what was going on in the plot here, or simply wasn't paying enough attention...

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