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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614859p1.html

Basically its the open scene you see of Aries and the general overview of Midgar. Then goes into Cloud jumping off the train.

Except, the graphics have been improved upon.

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That trailer brought back fond memories of the original FF7 opening scene, except this new one looked extremly sharp and kicked ass.

BTW, are they planning to remake FF7 on the PS3 or was that just a tech demo only?

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BTW, are they planning to remake FF7 on the PS3 or was that just a tech demo only?

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President of Square Enix, Youichi Wada, was quick to point out that this wasn't a teaser, nor a hint of any intention to do a re-make of Final Fantasy VII, but explained that Final Fantasy titles were indeed guaranteed to come to PS3 one day.

Nintendo did that with Zelda for the N64 a long time ago (or was it GameCube?) Instead of giving us something cool, though, they pumped out a game with powerpuff girls characters. So much for that.

That was actually surprisingly impressive. We're getting damned close to photorealism (despite still being a long way from it.) It raises a question though: with all the complaints that developpers put too much focus on the multimedia aspect, will a far greater level of multimedia realism further degrade the quality of next-gen games?

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that looks awesome. i know that ff7 isnt goin to be on ps3, but damn, doesnt that video get you thinking of what could be? it looks freakin beautiful!

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I can't see it. I click on the link and all I get is an advertisement for a movie. Nothing after that. What am I doing wrong?

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Wow. This is awesome. Of course, I'd rather see a movie remake of FFVII than a game remake, but of course, this is neither; still, my praise goes to the Square-Enix software developers and marketing department.

Plus, this proves that Midgar is indeed a HUMONGOUS city above a city. Of course, though, I hope that the original key of the Bombing Mission theme (D minor) is kept, and that Cloud doesn't jump off the train flaunting his Buster Sword like that.

This also proves that Cloud's hairdo isn't actually all that spiky.

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I think many people think now that this means FF7 will be remade for the PS3. That would be interesting.

But the thing is, they were showing us the first fmv of the game and of course fmvs are going to be impressive. I would be interested to know what the in-game graphics woud look like as well. Unless, as suggested it might actually be a movie they are planning to make. If they are actually planning to do anything with FF7 at all here..

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I can't see it.  I click on the link and all I get is an advertisement for a movie.  Nothing after that.  What am I doing wrong?

At the top of the screen, it should say "Continue to IGN" or something like that. Click on that to get to the page.

Edit: Regarding what you said Silverlance, I think that problem has existed for as long as PS2/Gamecube/XBox have been around. I don't care what anyone says, it can look as pretty as it wants, but if I can only get 10 hours of gameplay out of a game, I'm not paying $70 for it.

Recently, I got Guild Wars. First thing all my friends asked me "Are the graphics good?". Quite frankly, I could care less. However, I have found the gameplay to be challenging (A feature I must say is lacking in many games, this surprised me greatly).

If anything I think it's just the designers reaching out to this newer generation of gamers who need bright flashing lights and stunning visuals to stay interested in anything. I blame the parents for not showing their kids their roots, the truly great games. If the game doesn't require me to first blow off the dust than it doesn't deserve to be played!

This post has been edited by Racthoh on 20th May 2005 13:17

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This also proves that Cloud's hairdo isn't actually all that spiky.

You're right, one demo *does* counteract the canon of the actual, original game, not to mention the concept art.

I don't know, it was interesting, and the visual effects weren't bad, but unless that was "in-game", so to speak, and not FMV, it wasn't really that amazing. Aeris' walking animation, and to a lesser extent, other human movement, seemed a bit clunky at the joints.

The cuts of the train and the sparks were very nicely done, though.

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I watched this thing yesterday. I didn't see much difference from the old FFVII to this one. :/

I hope they don't make a new FFVII, I don't think it was that great of a game. I know this is only a tech demo, but I've read from a few reviews that they are considering making this game real. I would prefer FFV, FFVI, or FFIX remade anyways

When Cloud jumped off from the train, it was gameplay graphics. You can tell because of his hair.

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I watched this thing yesterday. I didn't see much difference from the old FFVII to this one. :/

I hope they don't make a new FFVII, I don't think it was that great of a game. I know this is only a tech demo, but I've read from a few reviews that they are considering making this game real. I would prefer FFV, FFVI, or FFIX remade anyways :P

I recently read an article relaying that Square will not be making a new version of FFVII. They redid the opening just as a technical demo. According to that article, they have no plans to remake any FF game.

I wouldn't have minded seeing FFVII with updated graphics. In order to do that with FFV or FFVI, you'd have to significantly change the game.

And I still can't see the damn thing. I can get to the article. There's a link in the article. Windows Media Player shows me a movie preview. Then, nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Yay for me.

If I can't figure out why soon, I'm going to get Josh to DL it and email it to me, though, so don't worry about any further tech support. ^_^

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I don't know, it was interesting, and the visual effects weren't bad, but unless that was "in-game", so to speak, and not FMV, it wasn't really that amazing. Aeris' walking animation, and to a lesser extent, other human movement, seemed a bit clunky at the joints.

Square-Enix's president, Youichi Wada, seems to have implied that it was real time as opposed to FMV graphics: Linkage.

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Asked about his impressions of the three next generation consoles, Wada stated that all three would feature significant capabilities. Referring to the Final Fantasy VII technical demo he showed off at the presentation of Sony Computer Entertainment's PlayStation 3, he mentioned it would be possible to develop games featuring visuals like the ones shown in the demo, running in real-time on PlayStation 3.

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BTW, are they planning to remake FF7 on the PS3 or was that just a tech demo only?

It was a Tech Demo only. After the presentation, Square-Enix's president said "Please note that we have shown this as merely a sample and we currently have no plans of releasing a remake of Final Fantasy VII." Square has also previously stated that they won't really consider the possibility of a remake until the original can't be played on current systems. The PlayStation 3 will be backwards compatible with the PlayStation 1 and PlayStation 2.

This isn't the first time Square has used previous titles as Tech Demos. They used Final Fantasy VI in 1995 as one for the Nintendo 64 when it was their most popular title (to read about it or view it, go here: Linkage), and they used Final Fantasy VIII in 2000 for one for the PS2 (screenshots to follow).

Here are some screenshots of the FFVIII Tech Demo:
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That was pretty sweet. It would be hot if they remade all of FFVII to look like that. Can't say I see it happening anytime soon, though. It would probably be a costly venture, and I don't think they'd make enough of a profit on a remake to cover the costs. Seems to me it would just be another Spirits Within waiting to happen.

This post has been edited by KefkaLives on 20th May 2005 23:21

The whole point of the movie is to show the graphical capabilities of the PS3, so none of it is FMV. I remember before the PS2's launch Sony said that the PS2's graphics would match FMV quality, and that was a lie. It looks like this will be the case with the PS3 though as the FFVII movie demonstrates. The clunky joint movement R51 mentioned is not caused by a restriction of the console's capability. It's the sequence's slight lack of refinement which will probably plague a lot of next-gen games, especially the early ones.

Developement costs are painfully high, and now those costs will go up even more. Companies will do anything they can to reduce the cost, and that hurts game refinement and overall quality. There's been talk about raising new game prices to make up for it, and if that happens the sequal popularity trend will only be exemplified, since people will only shell out money for games they can trust to be good.

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One thing to consider is the number of elements in a graphic demo that can cause a strain on the GPU/CPU.

Very few.

A scene like that can dedicate everything to the sole rendering of, quite frankly, just a few elements. There are no enemies wandering about, no decisions being made, no stats being calculated, no movement being calculated, no unexpected events by the player causing new data to be loaded. It's all pre-generated and the CPU has nothing to calculate. Just graphic data to pump into the GPU.

While it's impressive, an actual game will have a lot more things to keep track of, and the quality will degrade slightly. The PS2 is capable of FMV-like quality, but not in-game as such. Perhaps during a cut scene, where it can focus on having less models onscreen with a higher polygon count, but not in-game.

Still, it will be interesting to see this puppy in action.

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Here's the full overview of the FFVII tech demo, again saying that it is just that: Linkage
(and there be screenshots at here)

But if you are desperatly clinging to a little golden wire of hope for a remake, Gamespot have said:
"The speculation now revolves around whether or not the "Technical Demo" of FFVII intimates that there will actually be a full remake of the game for the PS3, which is something that fans of Final Fantasy have been begging for for years. Final Fantasy VII is still arguably the most well-regarded of the Final Fantasy games, and speculation has been mounting for a while now that Square might attempt to cash in on that popularity by issuing a remake. Considering that this is a company that's announced at least three other games, as well as an all-CGI movie, based on the characters and storyline of FFVII, we can't rule anything out at the moment. Square didn't state anything for sure at the press conference, but we will of course have more details as they come along."

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Yeah, Sony definitely led the crowd on. I mean, show a tech demo of a remake then not make it?
I personally think a PS4 remake would be better anyway, so maybe this isn't so bad after all.

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Yeah, Sony definitely led the crowd on. I mean, show a tech demo of a remake then not make it?
I personally think a PS4 remake would be better anyway, so maybe this isn't so bad after all.

It wasn't a tech demo of a remake. It was a tech demo of the PS3's capabilities. Square's done this before with Final Fantasy VI (N64) and Final Fantasy VIII (PS2). A tech demo is just that: A technological demonstration.

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But if you are desperatly clinging to a little golden wire of hope for a remake...

Don't we all just love Barret's metaphors?

In any case, drawing from numerous (economic) reasons stated in the FFVII PS3 remake thread, I strongly believe that Square-Enix will not revamp FFVII's graphics for a PS3 re-release/remake. After all, they're a company that has to be concerned about its profits and its performance in the market of RPGs, and there's a LOT of competition out there, even if they've already joined together two of the most well-known RPG companies (Square and Enix).

Calm down, people. There's already a ton of other FFVII stuff slated to come out, and it takes a LOT of manpower, time, imagination, and hard work to produce something even a remake that's truly market-worthy. And given the fact that the PS3 will be backward-compatible, why wouldn't Square just (more cheaply) keep on producing FFVII PS discs rather than invest a ton of money in a remake? There will come a day (just like we have seen for FFI-FFVI) that FFVII is 'old' enough that it'll be economically viable to be remade/remastered/re-released.

Don't get me wrong here, I'd love to see a remake of FFVII on PS3 technology or some equivalent. The trailer, as I've stated above, is pretty darn sweet, but also as stated before, Square has used another older game for a technical demonstration before, so this wouldn't be the first time they've used this tactic. (The only differences here are that the graphics are sweeter and the game in question is better-known.)

Now, there's a chance that Square-Enix may actually pursue such a remake, either because my simpleton economic analysis was wrong or because there's a seriously overwhelming fan-base that would buy such a game (keep in mind that the price of a game determines both profit and demand, people), or maybe because it's their unwise business decision, or whatever. I wouldn't mind seeing that either, although I personally recommend they wait on the idea.

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if they could go to that much trouble to make a ff tech demo on ff7, crowds will be roaring for it, they have to come to our terms at some point

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if they could go to that much trouble to make a ff tech demo on ff7, crowds will be roaring for it, they have to come to our terms at some point

Not if it isn't financially advantageous. Games aren't produced on demand, but rather on economic potential. Square either has plans for something or they don't, and judging from their statement they'll simply move on and work on new material.

They can't go around remaking every game after a few years now, can they? We still haven't even had an FF3/4/5/6 remake!

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actually around the time when ff10 came out, square anounced that where would be a remake for ff7 on ps2, i've been waiting for it, then to know it wouldnt happen, because the ps3 is coming out they allready made ff1,2,3,4,5 and 6 on the ps, it's just a matter of time for 7.

Correction. They've only remade 1 and 2.

3 has not been released (yet), and 4-6 were merely re-releases. None of them had upgraded graphics or any changes other than translation issues and, at times, minor gameplay tweakage.

As the PS3 is backwards compatible, it'd be pretty dumb of Square to spend money re-releasing FF7, and it'd be more logical for them to remake the older FFs first. This also includes the fact they've stated quite directly without even hinting otherwise that an FF7 remake was not one of them immediate projects, if even one at all.

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actually around the time when ff10 came out, square anounced that where would be a remake for ff7 on ps2, i've been waiting for it, then to know it wouldnt happen, because the ps3 is coming out they allready made ff1,2,3,4,5 and 6 on the ps, it's just a matter of time for 7.


By the way, Silver, I don't even know if I would call Dawn of Souls a remake. They only enhanced the graphical output and colorization, aside from the new dungeons and bosses. It seems more like a tweaked port than a remake to me. What think you?

They were going to remake VII, VIII, and IX. They lost too much money on The Spirits Within to consider it any longer, however. They were no longer so comfortable as to not care if they didn't turn a large profit.

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They lost too much money on The Spirits Within to consider it any longer, however. They were no longer so comfortable as to not care if they didn't turn a large profit.

ah boy, that movie screwed them over so much poor squaresoft.

I as well thought that they were actually remaking ff7 when I saw that demo, and it got me all excited. Too bad that they aren't actually carrying out that plan.

I still can't get over how Cloud looks so Japanese. Must be the j-rock hair

I know of only one PS1 game to be remade thus far, and it's Wild ARMs.

While the people behind the WA series probably don't have the issues that Square and their massive movie failure did, they did go ahead and remade a game which wasn't a fraction as popular as FF7...

So, once Square get over their TSW shock, maybe they'll reconsider remaking the PS Final Fantasies. I wish they'd remake the older ones as well, but from what I understand there's licensing issues with Nintendo.

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I know of only one PS1 game to be remade thus far, and it's Wild ARMs.

No kidding? That was an awesome RPG! That's great news.

(Yeah, I'm aware that's a bit off-topic, but really, I lost my copy of WildARMs and was looking for a reason to buy it anew.)

As for liscensing issues, weren't 1-3 also produced on a Nintendo system? Although I could see how Nintendo may've changed their contract with Square once they moved to the SNES to ask for exclusive rights...

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Quote (Squall of SeeD @ 31st May 2005 01:20)

They were going to remake VII, VIII, and IX. They lost too much money on The Spirits Within to consider it any longer, however. They were no longer so comfortable as to not care if they didn't turn a large profit.

Such a shame.

I hope they eventually reconsider those remakes though. The trailer shows it could look very nice indeed.

Oh well, time to move on!

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