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I recently picked up the new issue of EGM and it has an article of the most overrated games. I can automatically think up of a list that would go on for at least a page of overrated games. Don't get them wrong, they thought that the games were good or great. But, Final Fantasy IX was one of them. It stated that of all three FF games, IX was the least essential... I honestly think that VII was the most overrated of the series and VIII was the least essential to the series. It completely changed the outlook of FF. That it would be filled with machinery, futurisitic designs, and a completely poop magic/GF system. At least in VII the magic/summon system was quite intriguing. IX and XI are probably the most medieval FF recently with XII coming up as well. I just think that EGM has better things to do than to state untrue facts. VII never even showed up on that list. Among the games where Donkey Kong 64, Ico, Perfect Dark, Tomb Raider, and some others I can't quite remember. EGM needs to get their heads out of the dark and realize that Square Enix has made a mockery of the series and I do hope that XII will revive the series from its somewhat modernized outlook. Phew... that took a while.

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Donkey Kong 64? I thought everyone hated that game. I'll admit it sucks quite bad, in my opinion, compared to Rare's earlier handlings of the DK gang on the SNES. The others you listed there I'd agree with, besides ICO. It's not a bad game, but it didn't leave any sort of lasting impression on me, much less reek of the essential "overrated" disappointment some games do that they probably didn't list. It may be a bit overrated, but nowhere near the point of being "Most Overrated of All Time" overrated.

And I agree: FFIX really shouldn't be on any such list. As hated as it is by the general fanboy, I can't see how anyone could consider it overrated. So it's not as essential as...whatever the other three FF's they're talking about. Hey, it did have it's moments where they tried to tie the storyline/world into FFI's storyline/world, but that's obviously not as important nor awesome as Rinoa!!11!1!! Or whatever.

I'm also surprised FFVII wasn't on it, but since they included DK64 and ICO, I wouldn't count on EGM to know what they're talking about.

...Unless their list was really, really long and those three weren't remotely close to the top spot or something.

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Halo and VII should've been on its list. Halo has a boring campaign/storyline and therefore leaves single-players bored at the end. Then, VII was quite good but it's way too overrated. EGM also stated that IX had a weak plot and lame characters. They haven't played the older FFs as they game Dawn of Souls a 7.0. Most outrageous review for a classic.

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I think that FF VIII is by far the most overrated FF, if for no other reason than it has such a rabid fan base for being devoid of a good stat and ability system. FF IX was an interesting and enjoyable FF that had a lot of depth, a great customization system, and decent storyline, cinematics, and music; definitely a better game than FF VIII.

ICO proably deserves to be on such a list; it's one of those games that half of the people who've played it call it overrated and the other half call it underrated. DK 64 was a decent platformer that was WAY too long and got boring pretty fast. Meh. Personally I think the most overrated games of all time are Shenmue, Counter-Strike, and every single game in the Tony Hawk series.

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EGM must be off their rocker to say FFIX is overrated. By gamer consensus, I'd say it's literally on neutral ground. Whatever ruts the plot had didn't faze me a bit, as I thought it was more than enjoyable, especially after FF8's futuristic, hi-tech witch hunt. The game may be censured for having childlike characters or an odd ability-learning system, but both are easy to get used to.

FFIX was hard, annoying, invigorating, and easy at different parts. Call me blind, but that makes up a balanced game.



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Shenmue was one of the games that made the list. So did Banjo-Kazooie, Killer Instinct and Battle Arena Toshinden. I agree that VIII and VII were the most overrated on PS and X is the 2nd most overrated game in the series.

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I was rather surprised that EGM thought IX was over rated.

I never hear people saying "O wow FFIX was the absolute best!!!".

They usually think the game sucked just because of the graphical design of the characters or they think it was a good game because they think it was closer to the classics.

But I never hear anyone saying it was a absolutely fantastic game.


And actually Tonepoet, EGM is pretty good about being fair and honest with their magazine. More than once they've lost a customer because they refused to give the game a "minimum rating". In other words making a deal that their review of the game would not receive a lower score than a predetermined one.

In the end its just the magazine's opinion of what games are overated. I don't agree with a few of their choices (I liked the original Battle Arena Toshinden). And others I've never played.

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But I never hear anyone saying it was a absolutely fantastic game.

FFIX was an absolutely fantastic game. Seriously. It's probably my favorite in the series with the exception of FF4, and 4 may even fall short.

DK64, Perfect Dark, Shenmue, and Tomb Raider I definitly agree with. Tomb Raider was a game with horrible controls and GIGANTIC BOOBS, so of course everyone liked it at the time.

Only other game I disagree with is Killer Instinct. That game was hella fun back in the day.

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[QUOTE=Rujuken,16th April 2005 21:31] DK64, Perfect Dark, Shenmue, and Tomb Raider I definitly agree with ... Only other game I disagree with is Killer Instinct. That game was hella fun back in the day.

When I posted in this topic I sort of avoiding talking about KI, because for me it's a bit of a strange situation. I really, really liked KI back in the day, seven or eight years ago I would have told you that KI Gold was one of the greatest fighting games of all time. However, in retrospect, KI was not the greatest series. It lacks depth compared to other 2D combat games and there was some serious character balance issues in the arcades, but it's still pretty fun to play. So in conclusion, while I used to absolutely love it, Killler Instinct doesn't have much besides nostalgia for me nowadays. I still don't think it deserves to be on that list (while Shenmue, DK64, and Tomb Raider certainly do), but I understand where EGM's coming from. Oh, and Blizzard, did EGM rank the games by their overratedness or was it not ordered at all?

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I'm not sure if this is by most overrated or something else... But, here's 1st: Battle Arena Toshinden, 2: Donkey Kong Country, 3: Killer Instinct, 4: Donkey Kong 64, 5: Perfect Dark, 6: NiGHTS, 7: Final Fantasy IX, 8: Banjo-Kazooie, 9: Shenmue and lastly Ico. Tomb Raider, Turok 2: Seeds of Evil, and Mortal Kombat were their "honorable mentions."

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Yunalesca: "Hope is...comforting. It allows us to accept fate, however tragic it might be. "

Yunalesca: "Poor creature. You would throw away hope. Well... I will free you before you can drown in your sorrow. It is better for you to die in hope than to live in despair. Let me be your liberator. "

NiGHTS!? WTF?! NiGHTS Into Dreams is one of my favorite old school platformers, and is probably the best reason to own a Saturn. I hope those editors step on a nail. Or something.

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K Hanyou is 1 for "FFIX is the best!!"....thats still only one. Y'know what I'm gonna be #2. I think IX was a great game and I'm not one of those people that only like the "old school" FFs. I don't think it was overrated


Nights was pretty cool. But as they explained in EGM it was pretty much just a 3D sidescroller where you just try to collect objects. I thought the boss battles were kinda neat and I liked the music. Thats what I liked best about it.

Another thing to note. EGM tends to judge games based on the current standard of games. At least I think they do. I appreciate their honesty when they rate games. They can rate a game and think its only average, but from what they said about the game I know I will think its great. So while I may not agree with them about their rating they provide me with enough honest info in their review that I can tell if I want to get the game or not.

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I think someone here is a little confused about the difference between fact and opinion. When EGM has sections like these, it's their opinion. If you don't agree with their opinion, that's fine but it's still just an opinion and not being stated as fact. It's just like, it's not a fact that the FF series has been ruined, it's just an opinion. In my opinion the FF series hasn't been ruined. Sure, there were games in the series that I liked better than others, but I don't think it has been ruined.

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Sure it's all how the game's points are perceived, but there should at least be a relative basis. Calling FFIX overrated--no matter who says it--is a pretty laughable statement.

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Me and my brother are confused about the definition of overrating. He thinks its when a game gets rated over its actual rating. Like giving FFIX a perfect 10 is not common, but not impossible. Generally, IX would get around 8-9 rating. Halo and Counter-Strike are the most overrated multiplayer games. Basically, if you like playing shooters with your friends these two are for you. I think that overrating when people and the media make too much of a deal about a game(COUGH! COUGH! FF7! COUGH! COUGH!).

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Yunalesca: "Poor creature. You would throw away hope. Well... I will free you before you can drown in your sorrow. It is better for you to die in hope than to live in despair. Let me be your liberator. "

Something that's overrated is simply not as good as commonly thought to be. Overratedness can spring from a rabid cult following, media over-hype, or any number of other reasons. For example, I think that FF VII is overrated because while it is a good game, it is not the greatest game of all time, as its extremely vocal fan base would not hesitate to tell you. Similarly, I think God of War is overrated because while it is also a good game, I disagree with a lot of the super-stellar reviews that it's receiving, especially with regard to how it "perfectly captures pure rage in a single disc" and what have you; Kratos' character just doesn't do it for me.

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Another commonly overrated game is Counter-Strike. I played it once before I got into playing RPGs and I never like it once. I'd rather play something like Halo since it's a lot more difficult on Xbox Live.

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Yunalesca: "Poor creature. You would throw away hope. Well... I will free you before you can drown in your sorrow. It is better for you to die in hope than to live in despair. Let me be your liberator. "

Why do so many people dislike FFIX? I thought it was a decent game. It got kinda boring at times, but it was way better than VIII or X (don't even get me started on X-2). FFVIII was a horrible game, but at least it was playable. In X, the farthest I got was to the "Operation Mi'hen" (or whatever) before calling it quits. So, for me, FFX is probably the most overrated Final Fantasy, not FFIX.

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FFX is probably the most overrated Final Fantasy

You have seen the light!!! I can't tell you how many times I hear people say how amazing 10 is, and so I ask them, "Why do you like it so much? Compaired to, literally, every other FF game, it's a piece of trash. What's so great about it?" And then they'll always answer with something like "The graphics are awesome", or "The plot was really good".

Let's address these one at a time, shall we?

1) As much as SquareEnix would have loved for us to believe it, graphics do not make a game.

2) So, I guess by "good plot", they meant

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Playing as a Blitzball-playing moron who wears overalls, and whose quest is to chase around his dead father who has turned into a giant, flying whale made of mud and trying to kill him. But wait, there's a problem! Whoever kills him will replace him in a few years! OH NOES!!!11!shift1! Also, along the way, he's going to try to get this summoner girl to fall in love with him. His tactic? Being a moron. Bulletproof.

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You have seen the light!!! I can't tell you how many times I hear people say how amazing 10 is, and so I ask them, "Why do you like it so much? Compaired to, literally, every other FF game, it's a piece of trash. What's so great about it?" And then they'll always answer with something like "The graphics are awesome", or "The plot was really good".

Let's address these one at a time, shall we?

1) As much as SquareEnix would have loved for us to believe it, graphics do not make a game.

2) So, I guess by "good plot", they meant

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Playing as a Blitzball-playing moron who wears overalls, and whose quest is to chase around his dead father who has turned into a giant, flying whale made of mud and trying to kill him. But wait, there's a problem! Whoever kills him will replace him in a few years! OH NOES!!!11!shift1! Also, along the way, he's going to try to get this summoner girl to fall in love with him. His tactic? Being a moron. Bulletproof.

You basically just wrote exactly how I feel about that game! We're the official FFX bashers! Yay! LOL Im so corny!

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We're the official FFX bashers! Yay!

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I will close this topic if you guys just continue to bash FFX. I actually liked FFX. It had a nice getaway from the level-up system. Anyways, this isn't a FFX forum. If you guys want to bash FFX, leave this forum.

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Look, I'm sorry to have offended you, but we're all entitled to our own oppinions here. We happen to dislike FFX, but that doesn't mean we're going to keep talking about it, or that we think it's wrong to like it. Every likes different things, so I'm not telling everyone in the world that like FFX that they're stupid; I was just stating my oppinions about the game. I had planned to stop the discussion about it with the post before this one, anyway.

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If you guys want to bash FFX, leave this forum.

Once again, I'm sorry if I offended you, but don't you think that by telling us to leave the forum because of what we said about the game, you're taking this a little too far?

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I think that overrating when people and the media make too much of a deal about a game(COUGH! COUGH! FF7! COUGH! COUGH!).

This is, basically, what I said about FFX. The only difference is that I was relating it to experiences I've had in the past with people who I know that love FFX. Also, although I liked FF7 quite a bit, you don't see me telling you to leave the forum, do you?

Anyway, the point of this topic is to discuss EGM's "Most Overrated" list, so I'll stop now.

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I will close this topic if you guys just continue to bash FFX. I actually liked FFX. It had a nice getaway from the level-up system. Anyways, this isn't a FFX forum. If you guys want to bash FFX, leave this forum. 

Isn't that flat-out abusive and bad moderation? People's opinions will differ from yours; is holding a neutral stance a little too much to ask of a moderator? :/ Hopefully that was just a joke, and we're too uptight to take humor properly.

Anyways... since this should be on-topic (ie, EGM) as opposed to FFX-bashing, am I the only one who feels that games really are getting higher and higher scores the better they sell as opposed to the more the players enjoy them? My friend, a DBZ fan (heh, we all know one, admit it) bought DBZ: Sagas and it proved to be a terrible game. Not because of a bad plot, but because of a terrible design that proved horribly repetitive (and thus boring), a very stunning lack of variety, pretty much no replayability, less than a day's worth of gameplay, very little to do (other than pressing the same combination of buttons over and over) and a painfully high bug-count. He was pissed at having spent money on the game, and I was shocked that such a badly-designed game could ever hit the shelves.

Out of curiousity, I checked GameFaqs' boards to see if we were the only ones who thought it was terrible, and opinions fell in two categories.

- The DBZ fanatics who thought it was good, and ignored any flaws people pointed out or passed off bad design as the company's "first attempt at an adventure game."

- The rest of the world, who thought it was the worst game ever.

Yet it sold. A lot. DBZ fans (of which there are far too many...) all wanted it, and it was launched on multiple platforms. The score it initially received was something to the ends of 7.5 / 10. Quite above an average 5/10 score. And now that the game has been sold to-and-fro by eager players who thought it'd be the next big thing, the score hovers around 4/10 on most sites. Hrm...

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Hmm, this really isn't about the EGM list anymore. It's turning into another Final Fantasy forum. Anyways, saying FF7 is overrated doesn't mean I'm saying it sucks. There's a difference between the two.

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Anyways, saying FF7 is overrated doesn't mean I'm saying it sucks. There's a difference between the two.

That's completely beside the point, Blizzard. Just because our oppinions differ doesn't mean that you should tell me to leave the forum. I was just telling you what I thought the most overrated FF game was, and why I thought that way. You don't need to tell me and Scorpio to leave just beacause we don't like FFX.

Well, anyway, enough about this. This argument has been a waste of everyone's time, so let's just drop it right now.

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