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What is the strangest/worst/weirdest FF plot ever? In other words, which plot did you hate the most, and why? And please, don't say some game you never played, but said it because some friend/magazine/asshole told you so. Tell us from your own experience.

I actually have a few. I loved FF8, but there were some things I couldn't get over. FF8 wasn't the worst storyline but it was pretty crappy and not very well thought of. For example, like Tiddles pointed out in SM's "Change of Heart" topic (I'll explain the rest of my thoughts in the spoiler bracket),

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they all grew up together and forgot about it. Also, Squall had forgotten that he was the son of Laguna. I absolutely hated the Dream World sequence, as cheesy and just unoriginal stuff happens (how many times have we heard of this stuff?). Also, most of the characters were not very well developed, and their attitudes were improvised at some very bad parts of the story. For example, Irvine cracks up when they are about to attempt to kill Edea, Rinoa acts like a bitch throughout the game. Selphie and Zell I actually like, because their attitudes are same and somewhat enjoyable throughout the game. But my favorite character is still Seifer (boy, it had been with me for a while before the FFT avatars came).

Another game I disliked was FF5. I never completed the game, but by the time I had found the dragon for the first time, I had told myself this game was crap. Of course, maybe it's because I'm comparing it with FF4 and FF6, but I absolutely hated how everything happened. It was mostly dull, monsters everywhere, world thrown in elemental chaos, Faris turns out to be a girl, Galuf has amnesia, yadidy-yadidy, how many times have that happened? It had a great Job system, but otherwise, I hated the game.

Also, for some unexplainable reason, I have some sort of grudge against FF7. I still haven't figured it out, but I think maybe it's because most people who loves FF7 hates FF8...I don't know. Oh well.

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Well of the stangest(just because the plot is stange or whatever doesn't mean you have to hate it?) plot, I'd have to go with FF7 during the 1st disk. Cloud's flashback was the most intriguing part of the game, and every time Sephiroth showed up, I just had this weird, perplexing feeling. I couldn't put the controller down. And I've never really had that with any other game.

Some parts in FF9 were also pretty odd. (Oilvert and Zidane's world.)

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

The weirdest/strangest plot definately goes to Tactics. I mean, jeesh...

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I mean, you're playing a character through a story in a book that what you think is an insignificant character in the plot of is actually the whole reason you get to play it in the first place. And a holy figure is resurrected as an evil angel. Yess. I heart that game.

But the worst plot goes to FF8.

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OMG! WER IN SKOOL LETS START THE FAIR PLZ SQUALL CUM HLP ME HIT TINGS WIT MY NUNCHUKS. OK WE CANT REMEMBER DIS BUT WE ALL GREW UP TOGETHER! LOL!

I'm biased, so what?

Quote (bond4154 @ 18 Jan. 2003, 22:11)

SPOILER ALERT!  Highlight to view: they all grew up together and forgot about it. Also, Squall had forgotten that he was the son of Laguna. I absolutely hated the Dream World sequence, as cheesy and just unoriginal stuff happens (how many times have we heard of this stuff?). Also, most of the characters were not very well developed, and their attitudes were improvised at some very bad parts of the story. For example, Irvine cracks up when they are about to attempt to kill Edea, Rinoa acts like a bitch throughout the game. Selphie and Zell I actually like, because their attitudes are same and somewhat enjoyable throughout the game. But my favorite character is still Seifer (boy, it had been with me for a while before the FFT avatars came).

I agree that, that's one of the reasons why FFVIII story makes people confused  

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I think strangest and worst go into separate categories, so I'll go from there.  Also, I'm going to exclude Final Fantasy I, which has little plot in a conventional sense but can be excused for starting the franchise single-handedly.  (And for being very fun and challenging.)

The strangest plot (or plot element, rather) will definitely go to Final Fantasy X for me.  I say it was the strangest and not the worst because I actually loved that huge plot twist.

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It was really, really weird finding out that Tidus and Zanarkand never really existed.  However, it led to an extremely poignant ending, one of my favorites of the entire series.

The worst plot is probably Final Fantasy V.  Although I must say the gameplay gets props for defining the Job System among other things, the plot was rather contrived, and I lost interest very quickly.  The lack of personality in the characters didn't help, either.

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 Although I must say the gameplay gets props for defining the Job System among other things

Whoah, SM giving props to FFV??? Look out for flying pigs!

Weirdest Plot goes to FFVII:

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I like how you have to play through at least twice to understand what's happening at the beginning. It's interesting when everything that's presented as fact at the beginning is turned upside down. Of course, FFX did that, too, but I think VII did it better.

Worst plot- FFIV:
No need for any spoilers here, I just didn't like much about the game, and the plot had a lot to do with it.

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Worst plot- FFIV: No need for any spoilers here, I just didn't like much about the game, and the plot had a lot to do with it.

Bah, I loved FFIV, and it did have a few twists!

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Who would have thought that Cecil's father would have been a Lunarian, or that Golbez was his brother, or that the moon would have even been involved in any of the game.

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"And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped” -Sir Bedevere the Wise

FF5...could they have any MORE WORLDS?  combining worlds was interesting, but the idea of three worlds was as stale as 6 month old bagels

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Everyone seems to hate FFV but I enjoyed. The worst plot I thought was FFIX, I gave up so fast on that game cause I thought it was so stupid and has been the only FF game I never finished. I believe FFVII and FX have the best ones cause there were times in both games where you never knew what would happen next and when it did it shocked you.

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FF7. very odd. a living planet. wackos!

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-George Santayana

"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

FFVII was the worst for me.  The first disc moved swiftly, but only because nothing actually happened.  Ya just hopped from town to town "barely missing" Sephiroth until the second disc when you started introducing the 'weird' (i.e. confusing) relationship between Cloud, Sephiroth, Mako and all that crap that was mentioned in the first disc, but was waiting for the second disc to explain it all in one big mess of exposition.

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Arts

Farts

Twarts

Wow people are taking the stuffing out of FF5. Now I know it doesn't rank up there with FF4 and FF6. There are reasons for it.
Heroes, FF5 Had too few heroes despite the job system.

Bartz didn't have the best character development. He wasn't likeable either, he was conisitently rude to everyone amd even went as far to blame things on a Chocobo, really this isn't what you want to remember a hero as. You think Cloud can be an a**hole play FF5 and see what Bartz can come up with.

Lenna/Reina She loves animals and may take the title for Damsel in Distress. But she doesn't she's willing to give her life for people she loves. But when it comes to Hiryuu's do we really she her at her best.

Galuf Galuf is a champion he must be 50 or 60 and is stronger
than Bartz. Always proving you wrong, and a funny chracter too. Galuf's defining moment is his battle with Exdeath.

Faris is it a woman or a bloke. The first plot twist or attempted plot twist. We all know from looking at her the first time she is a girl. Faris like her sister has a love for animals i:e Syldra. Also the escaping from Tycoon sequence to save Bartz and Cara sequence is another good scene for her.

Cara Well before she join your party she always seems to come out of nowhere to save you. Once thats over she isn't all that interesting.

Villians Say what you will FF5 had some good villians better than FF4 and FF7 in my opinion

Gilgamesh
Well a powerful sidekick to Exdeath. But really its his comic relief that makes you like him. Despite being a clutz Gilgamesh isn't someone you should underestimate. Though when he helps the party he seems to better suited to the hero role.

Exdeath
Another villian that caused severe havoc. Sucking many cities and castles into oblivion. A truly evil character, so powerful he couldn't even be destroyed the first time. Exdeath even though he isn't funny like Kefka, has no regard for life and just wants to dominate all existance and non existance. He's an imposing figure with alot of skills at his disposal. Though you final battle with him isn't challenging. Exdeath I'm afriad is easily defeated. But overall keeps FF5 respectable.


Plot
Well having an all too similar plot from the last game isn't very original or very smart. The crystals weren't the best idea. Them getting blown up was however. The could have been something else like a seal, sigil or altar and originality would have returned. But the idea of saving two worlds the one world from total annialation(wait a minute did they do this in every game only in a different way). Well Exdeath's plan was a good one. No its not the best plot but a good one none the less, despite the obvious things people don't like. It was a plot you could follow and not get you confused. Though it wasn't deep and the plot twists we saw coming.

Now the worst plot hmm thats a tough one or is it. I've never played FF8 but if its truly that bad I won't play it in a hurry. But compared to the other Final Fantasy's I played FF5 was the worst compared to FF4,FF6 and FF7.

The Strangest plot would be FF7. Because of only of this thing

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"I will use fear to keep my hold on the people" Rufus Shinra

Oh come on  really Rufus his name is Rufus how is a blond haired pretty boy called Rufus going to inspired fear. He will say in his speech fear me. Now wonder Heidigger is always laughing I was when I heard that line and everyone else who was watching my kick Rufus at the same time.

Other than that, all the other plot twists that occur in FF7 something the that too many die hard FF7 don't give credit for.

Well, the best plot goes to FF7 in my opinion, followed closely by FF6 and somewhere back there FFT.

FF7 had many twists that couldn't be seen, but the foreshadowing was well done, and the characters were better than in the other games.  Sephiroth may not have seemed like the most EVIL of enemies, but he was still the best.  

FF6, well, how many games do you know where the world really does get smashed??  Ha ha, good job Kefka.

FFT is up here because FF4 didn't have much a good story, and FF5 sucked for story.  FF8...well...no comment.  FF9 had a chance to be good, but it turned out to be too freakish for me.  Never played the first one, or the two japanese ones, so I can't compare them.

As for weirdest story, that would go to FFT.  Vodiac? Not been done before I bet, and although the final boss idea wasn't THAT great, it was pretty interesting.

i couldnt hardly stand much of anything about FFX. the characters, the magic system, the voice overs, in my mind, those things dragged the game down so much, the storyline actually looked good in comparison. i dont wanna spoil anything for anyone who hasnt played the game, and i think all i really need to say anyway was already said in the spoiler boxes. that being said, sure it was strange and different, but nearly everythings been done before in some shape or form, and when you really think about it, storyies of this nature have really had the hell beat out of them by now. now if someone had a plot like that back when RPG's really started to develop actual good storylines (post dragon warrior, id say sometime like 1988-1990) then this would have been the most phenomenal and godlike game ever made in the history of the universe.

but it wasnt.

now granted, i dont think it in itself was a bad game, i just dont think it came close to measuring up to its predecessors, particularly 6 through 9. so i present you with what will from here on be only referred to as the ozzy osbourne analogy, WHICH I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO REMEMBER AND USE IN YOUR EVERYDAY LIVES. here 'tis:

i may have used this analogy before, and im sure i will use it again:

i think of FFX as i think of ozzy osbourne's bark at the moon album and his ultimate sin album. if they were released on their own, and he never ever released anything else, they would have been great, but when you look at what came before or after them (blizzard of ozz and diary of a madman before, not to mention all his work with black sabbath, and no rest for the wicked and no more tears afterwards), those two albums suck pretty badly, as does FFX in comparison with the afformentioned games. i do find FFX enjoyable, but it didnt captivate me or intrigue me the way the others did, and though people tear it apart, no game has ever captured me like FF8. i got that on my 14th birthday and played it from the moment i opened it, skipped school, and didnt put the controller down until the end of disk one. i enjoyed the hell out of that game. it takes a real beating by a lot of people, but that game had a sweet storyline i think.

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You watch the world exploding every single night
Dancing in the sun, a newborn in the light
Say goodbye to gravity and say goodbye to death
Hello to eternity and live for every breath

Your time will come...

Every FF game I have played I have   'd, erm..  that would be ff4 - ff10. FFt?  That game never came out in England so i'v never played it..             Strangest 1? erm.. probably 7.

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I like FF5 (so, OK, every other part is better...maybe)
I didn't like the plot in FF3... it was so... simple when you got to it:

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Disciple of great mage - goes evil; unsatisfied with legacy from master. Gets kicked by good guys - summons ultimate evil. Geeee.........

My fave plot goes to 1 and 2 both, the first REALLY suprised me in the end and the second reminded me of StarWars in many respects:
i.e. The Warship; The Dark Knight...



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Good old CoN

Just beat FFX a weak ago!

I think the idea of a corrupt religion has been used a few to many times.



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So if you're done reading this, you know I have nothing to say and you've wasted your time. Thank you come again.

I'd go with FFVII
Cloud is a Sephiroth clone and a childhood friend of Tifa's and a worthless SOLDIER and has somehow taken on Zach's SOLDIER career

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-Brad Meltzer

FF7 took on too many plot twists for it's own good.  It ended up confusing and filled with numerous holes, not helped any by the English translation which is only slightly better than the majority of RPGs.  The first CD in monochromatic in its storytelling, overdoing the foreshadowing and not really going anywhere for the longest time.  Once one finally gets to the second CD, the bits of the story all come together AT ONCE, leaving the player with a general feeling of confusion.  Finally, after playing hours of introduction, the end of the story rushes itself to conclusion.  I haven't even gotten to the third CD yet, because of the vibe I've been getting all along.  I dunno, the game just seems to have to oddest plot.  It had so many good ideas, it's just unfortunate that it was pulled together kind of shabbily.



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I close my mouth now and I scream,
Open the door, there's nothing worth redeeming
I saw your face before in rough,
You should wait around a while, your body's bound to turn up.
So low for how high?
-Matt Good, "Running for Home"

edwin, to which holes are you referring? i thought the FF7 storyline pieced together very nicely, even though being incredibly hard to follow. a lot of things were misunderstood by most people, but i can probably explain a lot of the weird stuff in that game.

ie:
was cloud created?
is sephiroth dead?
was nibelheim burned to the ground?
who is zakk/whats his deal?
who are sephiroths parents?
and probably the one that most people are waaay off about- who is jenova?

if some of these are the plot holes youre talking about, lemme give my time to shine. i dont think ive ever played any game quite as much as ffv, so the storyline to me makes total sense.

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You watch the world exploding every single night
Dancing in the sun, a newborn in the light
Say goodbye to gravity and say goodbye to death
Hello to eternity and live for every breath

Your time will come...