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This crossed my mind this evening while i was defeating Altima and i was wondering about it so i decided i would bring it here.

When you fight Altima in the Airship map it says that your in an airship graveyard, well if that is the case then why is the airship floating? it doesnt look much like it can be going anywheres... also if they were in fact in an airship graveyard wouldnt that mean that they could simply jump off the airship that they are on while fighting Altima and escape the carnage?

It made me wonder because that airship didnt look in any shape to be floating in the air...


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Who says the airship was floating?

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I said it could be floating or in a graveyard, either way i wanted to hear what people had to say, not just a one word comment or something.


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What I'm saying is, it's never implicated that the airship was floating. It's just on underground, which is why it's so dark around it. Perhaps if there was more lighting, you would see other broken down, crashed, derelict airships. I never got the implication that the thing was floating.

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Quote (DivineKnight @ 25th February 2005 21:11)

also if they were in fact in an airship graveyard wouldnt that mean that they could simply jump off the airship that they are on while fighting Altima and escape the carnage?

But, by this logic, couldn't you just, say, leave any outdoor map to run away from an enemy? To me, floating implies that you would be able to percieve some movement, perhaps the airhip would be bobbing up and down while the battle was going on. There's no evidence at all that it's floating any more than there is evidence that it's underwater.

I hope this doesn't become a "if you don't like my thought don't post" thing. But you wouldn't do that, would you?

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I'm actually just realeaved that i didn't get another warning ranger.
I mean to say, wouldn't it be common sense to run away when they see that Altima is about to destroy everything? assuming it wasnt floating and there was solid ground everywhere other then the airship, because when the airship explodes peices of it go everywhere and if there was solid ground under it wouldnt the pieces just sit there or something?

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You wont be saying that when you get a
lead pipe across the head -James (Darkness Illusions II)

nah its like a artillerly shell if you know wat that is the explosion shoot the peices apart in diff directions upwards they mainly used these in the WW`s but offtopic i know its a xample lol

Nothing against anyone here, but shouldn't there be spoiler warnings, like, all over this topic? I'm just sayin'....

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Well, if want to say that the airhsip is floating... what prevents you from saying that any map is floating? Every battle field has the battle ground, and then the background colour as filler. For all we know, there could be dozens of airships piled around the one you fight on, or immense fire pillars blazing all around. Just because the design of the area doesn't show any ground doesn't mean it's floating.

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Yes, exactly Racthoh. EVERY map in the game "floats." That's how it is.
And yes, there should be spoilers everywhere.

This post has been edited by Shinjutsei on 26th February 2005 22:43

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Thats not the qustion though i dont care what it was doing, i just want to know WHY couldnt they just jump off and escape if it was in face NOT floating

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Just jump off and escape?

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Based on the size of the explosion that Altima makes... I highly doubt you're party could outrun THAT! Plus, in every video game how often can you outrun an explosion? But, if you mean just running away from Altima... well, that sorta just defeats the sole purpose of their quest now doesn't it?

Spoilers... keep the admins happy .



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Well snap dude, if Altima is going to destroy everything I don't think it really matters where you run to.

I dunno... i mean if i was in an airship graveyard and i had just killed a god/Demigod whatever, and i saw that the corpse was spazzing out i would be getting far away from there lol

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I always found the concept of an Airship Graveyard really confusing. I think Square could've used a better term in this situation like ruined airship site, or airship ruins. But airship graveyard? Sounds like airships are living creatures that are capable of feeling emotions, breathing, and ulitmately dying...

Anyway...

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I can only assume Divine Knight that Ramza isn't a coward. As such, I firmly believe that he would stick around and see Altima die with his very eyes. Even if that meant his own life, rather then assuming that his spazzing body would indicate that he is on the verge of death itself. Then again, one who was able to slay Lucavi on several occasions probably assumed he could survive the blast. His 'last' mistake.

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Here's my thoughts on this... Which are worth exactly what you paid for them.

At the very edge of Murond Death City, there is a dropoff into a dark, depthless chasm. It is here that the graveyard or airships is located. The ships are floating, but are "docked" at the cliff. When Ramza and company defeat Altima, the ship shreds itself apart and plunges into the depths.

The reason that this sort of explanation makes sense to me is because even though the ship looks derelict and shows no signs of flight (bobbing up and down would have been a nice touch here, square), once the ship begins to disintegrate it starts to plummet down in a spiral into the darkness, before erupting into a magical fireball.

Now, to get a bit off topic. Ramza jumped from the ship and grabbed the cliff walls as the ship fell. Alma held on to his hand for dear life. he hauled her up, and together they crawled out. Then, they found a way out of Murond through an intricate cave system they discovered. Thus, the chocobo-riding brother and sister at the end of the game are real. Thank you and goodnight.

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Although correct me if I'm wrong, but Alma was unconscious during the final battle...

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Although correct me if I'm wrong, but Alma was unconscious during the final battle...

She wasn't. Ajora's revived in Alma's body, but Alma somehow expunges herself from Ajora and both have a form of Alma's body. Ajora then uses Virgo to become Altima and Alma says "We have to...kill...Ajora...Hurry...." Alma is active during the battle and will use MBarrier on herself a lot, and Altima will quite often focus its attacks on Alma.

This post has been edited by Squall of SeeD on 28th February 2005 21:03

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Well, here's what I think about it. Just in case, I'll spoiler-tag.

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In the beginning (Fort Zeakdon), Ramza "dropped it all and ran" after the explosion, to me it seems, he regretted it. It would be poetic justice and he woud defy his former self and stick it through and not run until EVERYTHING is said and done. How he survives the explosion (if he does) is entirely up for grabs at speculaion. I still stick with my Zodiac Stones theory I posted in another topic.

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Ah, that's right. Got a little confused because I've never seen her usable in that fight. She always ends up KO on the first round and wasn't worth wasting a turn for me. :/

Either way, I really doubt the main character would be stupid enough to sit by while a huge-ass explosion consumes everything around him just to prove a point.

I would think Square just went for a "omg, is he dead?!" suspense effect for their endgame and didn't figure they needed an explanation for why and how it turned out the way it did. While this sounds pretty likely given the fact it just happens without any tangible clues hinting at an explanation for it (hey, let's face it: when you have to make up stuff, you KNOW the intended explanation isn't very clear, if even existing), that's not very fun now, is it? ;P

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Okay, what if we say this:

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The explosion caused by Altima's death was so powerful it shot Ramza and Alma out of Murond Death Ctity instead of killing them... for some reason. Because as we all know, the explosion powerful enough to wipe out the most powerful of enemies can never kill the lowly mortal humans who killed the godlike creature.

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Quote (Racthoh @ 28th February 2005 16:44)

Okay, what if we say this:

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The explosion caused by Altima's death was so powerful it shot Ramza and Alma out of Murond Death Ctity instead of killing them... for some reason. Because as we all know, the explosion powerful enough to wipe out the most powerful of enemies can never kill the lowly mortal humans who killed the godlike creature.

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That's not so much an explosion that's wiping Altima out, though, as it is Altima's being wiped out being accompanied by an explosion. The explosion is the result of her dying, if you follow me, not the other way around.

Anyway, seeing as how Murond was said to have sunk into the sea at the time of Ajora's death in the past, assuming Ajora was Altima at the tiime and was killed, we can safely assume that it is a powerful explosion nonetheless.

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