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This has always bugged me... (Ending spoilers)

Posted: 19th January 2005 05:48

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Well it's actually two things...

The first is at the end of game (Note this will spoil the end of the game for people)

At the end of the game when it shows Olan and Balmafula standing at your supposed grave, Olan says something that has always bugged me. He says something along the lines of "Did my father die valiantly in battle?".

The thing is, I always have Orlandu, always beat the final battle with him, have always taken him when the option occurs. But, if you don't take him what happens? It would be as if he never joins in Ramza's effort to stop Vormav and the gang. Thus there is no way that he could die in battle since you free him from Bethla Garrison. What Olan says wouldn't really match with your actions. This brings me to my second point...

Agrias to the best of my knowledge is the only character to join your party, that will say something in a battle. At the execution site she will talk even though you don't have to take her into the battle. Why have this? It plays no real point in the game at all since she is completely optional to the game.

Back to Orlandu, don't you think he would say something when he sees Elmdor change into Lucavi? You clearly see them sitting at the same table at the start of chapter 3 (I believe) conversing. Why does Agrias get that one line, and no one else does? Well, with the exception of secret characters that is.

I'm not quite sure if what I'm saying makes a lot of sense to anyone who reads this. It's just that Olan is there with Orlandu when he joins Ramza. If he doesn't join, Olan would have no reason to believe that his father's life is at risk.

I should probably stop now before I confuse myself furthur wacko.gif .

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Posted: 19th January 2005 06:51

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At the end of the game when it shows Olan and Balmafula standing at your supposed grave, Olan says something that has always bugged me. He says something along the lines of "Did my father die valiantly in battle?".

The thing is, I always have Orlandu, always beat the final battle with him, have always taken him when the option occurs. But, if you don't take him what happens? It would be as if he never joins in Ramza's effort to stop Vormav and the gang. Thus there is no way that he could die in battle since you free him from Bethla Garrison. What Olan says wouldn't really match with your actions. This brings me to my second point...


Olan's ending dialogue will change if you did not allow Orlandu to join your party at Bethla and, I believe, if you dismissed him later on. I seem to remember the dialogue only changing if he was not enlisted at Bethla, but I may be wrong.

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Agrias to the best of my knowledge is the only character to join your party, that will say something in a battle. At the execution site she will talk even though you don't have to take her into the battle. Why have this? It plays no real point in the game at all since she is completely optional to the game


Gafgarion betrayed her just as much as Ramza, if not more. It seems logical to me that she would speak out if she was allowed to fight against Gafgarion.

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Back to Orlandu, don't you think he would say something when he sees Elmdor change into Lucavi? You clearly see them sitting at the same table at the start of chapter 3 (I believe) conversing. Why does Agrias get that one line, and no one else does? Well, with the exception of secret characters that is.


I never thought of it. My guess is that Orlandu is less impressionable than Agrias, or Meliadoul for that matter as he has had so much on the battlefield that even the Zodiac Stones don't frighten him. I mean, why should they? He had the Libra Stone himself, and I'm sure he was aware of the power they held.

This post has been edited by Shotgunnova on 19th January 2005 06:53

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Posted: 19th January 2005 21:02

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Sigh, I have the feeling I'm going to have to pull out that game again and play it through. Ugh, the thought of being Excalibur-less and Cid-less is going to dampen my spirits. Oh well, nothing a little mass leveling can't fix (I hope).

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Posted: 20th January 2005 06:59

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What you have to do is play to the Bethla Sluice battle and simply save in two different places. Then just play the rest of the way through the battles, killing everything on the file with Orlandu, and being tactful on the level without him.

The game isn't hard either way, really. If you're just playing to see what the ending quote changes to, just slaughter everything on both levels.

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