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remeber when Balmafula was about to assasinate Delita for going too far...? Well, if you do...at the end of the scene Delita comes right at her and she screams...

I was wondering what happend what do you think, did she get injured, almost killed, or raped!???

but at the end when the astromoner(I forgot his name...Ovle???)& Balmafula at Ramza's grave and Balmafula just set flowers and said nothing....

so...did she get injured, almost killed, or raped???

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Raped is going a bit too far, there, Lancer.

Anyways, I think Delita may have just spooked her. I don't think anything went on.

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The part about Rafa being raped by Barinten was skirted around and not directly said, so it's not exactly an issue that wouldn't arise. My guess is that Balmafula said nothing because it was a funeral and, since she was part of the Church, she was just paying her respects with silence.

I can't really see anything more than that without checking the scene myself.

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I would have to agree with Math No. 2 on this one. I think he just scared her.

Yeah, I do also. Delita isn't as dishonorable as Barinten and Balmafula has fallen for Delita anyway. It wouldn't have been that hard to keep her and her story at bay since she was blinded by love and knows that she could ultimately be executed if she spoke out.

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i was under the impression he injured her to the point that she could never speak again. unlike shotgunnova, i believe delita was despicable enough to do anything AT all, but at the same time, i only feel he would have done it if it served his twisted purpose. obviously he cares nothing for anyone -- he even killed ovelia -- and so silencing balmafula just happened to fit into his plan. i don't think balmafula fell for delita in any way. i think that simply throughout the story she was trying to see the good in him, but eventually his evident evil spirit eclipsed whatever pity or faith she might have had for/in him. i believe balmafula saw delita's arrogant malevolence and tried to interfere on behalf of olan (who also called him a traitor). and this, i believe, is why they were seen together at the end. who knows? maybe alazlam durai was also the grandson of balmafula?

I thought the same thing that Goz did. He probably cut her throat or injured her vocal chords, but not severely enough to kill her. You'll notice that she never speaks during the ending, just kinda shrugs at Olan a lot.

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i was under the impression he injured her to the point that she could never speak again. unlike shotgunnova, i believe delita was despicable enough to do anything AT all, but at the same time, i only feel he would have done it if it served his twisted purpose

I never said Delita's values were in the right place; just that it was highly doubtful he would have raped Balmafula with Olan standing right beside her. There's no doubt that Delita's purposes are self-motivated, but he seems to maintain some sort of dignity. =/

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About the vocal chords, it's definately a possibility. Silence at a funeral also seems normal though, so I guess its anyones guess. Too bad her character wasn't mentioned more in the story.

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I never picked up on the romantic interest that you believe Balmafula had for Delita, Shotgun. Where in the story does this present itself?

I used to think Balmafula was killed by Delita, but someone on here (can't remember who now) showed me how she had not died. I think Delita might have possibly "staged" her death, much like he did Orlandu, to let her out of the plot.

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Well, her feelings of love are why she never killed him. I think he just scared her. As she failed to kill him she couldn't return to the church, and as she was still working for him I assume he didn't cut her cords.

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I never picked up on the romantic interest that you believe Balmafula had for Delita, Shotgun. Where in the story does this present itself?

It was a one-sided love and, like a lot of things, was never expanded in the story. She was sent to kill Delita if he deviated from the Church's plans and when that actually occured, Delita asked her to kill him. She couldn't do it because she had fallen for him and as a result, "something" happened that resulted in a scream.

That vocal chords story fits in with all other speculation, I suppose, since that's the last we see of Bal until the funeral scene. =/

This post has been edited by Shotgunnova on 2nd October 2004 18:42

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It was a one-sided love and, like a lot of things, was never expanded in the story. She was sent to kill Delita if he deviated from the Church's plans and when that actually occured, Delita asked her to kill him. She couldn't do it because she had fallen for him and as a result, "something" happened that resulted in a scream.

Seeing as there was no indication of love, one could argue other possibilities with equal force.

She may have simply come to realize that the situation regarding the church, the nobles, and the citizenry of Ivalice, was not ideal. Balmafula, already having such feelings before meeting Delita, may have come to see hope for resolving this situation in the form of Delita.

I have doubts about it either way really. As you say, it is vague in certain parts. All we can do is entertain theories, until we find proof of some sort.

You're right, there isn't very much that would corroborate the Brave Story's information on Balmafula, but nothing else is refutable in there, so I can't find any reason to say that she didn't love him.

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Balmafula, already having such feelings before meeting Delita

She had feelings before meeting him?



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...but nothing else is refutable in there, so I can't find any reason to say that she didn't love him.

Which is exactly why nobody should assume it to be correct, and talk of it as if it were fact. The same goes for any other theory relating to it, unless it be proven. It's fine to have leanings towards one theory, just so long as you don't talk as though it is fact. That's all that I mean.

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She had feelings before meeting him?

Feelings, as in leanings in thought and decision. I am not talking about the emotional use of the word feelings here.

Example:

"His feelings on the subject made him sympathetic to the cause."

Your guess is as good as mine, when it comes to things. Darn vague Square!!

This post has been edited by Endless Knight on 3rd October 2004 12:18

Okay, I haven't gotten up to the end yet, but all this guessing makes me feel at home here.
My guess is: Delita did rape Balmalfula, inducing the scream, and to keep her quiet about it, he sliced her larynx.

If that sounded cheesy, please let me know right now.

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Which is exactly why nobody should assume it to be correct, and talk of it as if it were fact. The same goes for any other theory relating to it, unless it be proven. It's fine to have leanings towards one theory, just so long as you don't talk as though it is fact. That's all that I mean

Balmafula's Brave Story:

Young magician who is sent by the Church to assist Delita, who has lurked into the Goltana army. But, she was to be the executioner of Delita if Delita was to double cross the Church. She realized she was falling for Delita who states he is going to double cross the church. Watching his movements and listening to his thoughts, she is unable to draw her sword.

Since he double-crossed the Church by being an accomplice to Zalmo's murder and he talked of murdering the High Priest as well, there had to be some reason larger than fear that made Balmafula unable to do anything to Delita.

There's more proof towards the case of her having fallen for Delita. Her Brave Story, while not saying very much, says a lot more than arguing that she had begun to hate him.



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There we go! Thanks for looking that up Shotgunnova.

No thanks needed, man. I was just saying there is a lot more evidence to show that Balmafula was falling in love with Delita than she was falling out of love with him (for lack of a better phrase).

That's not say other theories and ideas can't be entertained, of course.

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I think that Balmafula was beaten up by Delita, she lost her will to speak. It's as if someone dies and the person who admired him/her starts becoming silent for a while.

i think that she just didn't speak at the time because it was a time of sorrow therefore words aren't needed

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math no.2 is right dragon lancer.Raped is goin a bit too far. But,i think he may have just scared her or taken her voice away in a surprise attack.Who knows

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Two points to address.

1) I did get the impression that Balmafula had something (completely unrequited) for Delita. When she confronts him about using Ramza the tone seems to be of someone who is upset because she cares about the person and perhaps because she worries that she falls under the category of the used. She claims she hates people like him but also seems to hate herself for falling for him. At least that's my impression.

2) Her silence at the funeral did seem forced, she never hesitated to speak her mind before. I believe that Delita, who seemed to desire her death in his last scene with her, injured her in some manner which prevents her from speaking. Whether it was done to keep her from revealing his plot to kill Funeral or whether it was done in failed or restrained attempt to kill her I think is something we have no evidence w/ which to speculate with.

To state my belief, I think that Delita intended on killing her and injured her greatly at which time Olan took measures to keep her alive. Probably by pledging loyalty to Delita and getting her wounds tended to. That's my scenario.

The idea that Delita raped her is preposterous. There is no indication of that activity of any sort and Delita, cold, heartless and calculating as he may be never shows any proclivity towards that type of criminal action.

This post has been edited by The Ancient on 11th October 2005 18:57

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I thought the same thing that Goz did.  He probably cut her throat or injured her vocal chords, but not severely enough to kill her.  You'll notice that she never speaks during the ending, just kinda shrugs at Olan a lot.

if he cut her vocal chords...why did she scream?


i think he just dealt a non fatal blow

This post has been edited by dont chocobos rule? on 12th October 2005 01:43

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delita could have cut out her tongue vs slicing her vocal cords because she could have bled to death from that type of injury

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Or, since she was a Church official, she could have remained silent out of reverence for the dead, which is another aspect that hasn't been explored already. It's kind of sad though, for as pervasive as the Glabados Church was in Ivalice, its actual teachings and tenets aren't explored in depth...probably because that would make too much of an association to real-world religion, I guess.

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i would have to agree with u on that one since at most funerals most of the time u dont talk

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