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Posted: 26th September 2004 02:45

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I'll give different categories and you can fill in what/who you think are the best. Note, this is mainly the hard rock/heavy metal survey, but if you feel a musicaian from another genre (preferably still rock) then feel free. (ei Beatles, Stones, Who, Ramones, etc)
It may seem like a combo of earlier topics, but its a bit different wink.gif

Greatest Guitarist (maximum 10)
1. Eddie Van Halen- Van Halen
2. Jimi Hendrix- Experience
3. Tony Iommi- Black Sabbath, solo
4. Randy Rhoads- Quiet Riot, Ozzy Osbourne
5. Slash- Guns'n Roses, Velvet Revolver, Snakepit
6. Ritchie Blackmore- Deep Purple, Rainbow, Landcaster
7. Dave Mustaine- Megadeth, Metallica
8. Kirk Hammet- Metallica, Exodus
9. Angus Young- AC/DC
10. Jimmy Page- Led Zeppelin, Yardbids, The Firm, Primitive

Best Bassist (maximum 10)
1. Cliff Burton- Metallica
2. Gene Simmons- Kiss, solo
3. Geezard Butler- Black Sabbath, G//Z/R
4. John Paul Jones- Led Zeppelin
5. Jack Bruce- Cream
6. Steve Harris- Iron Maiden

Best Drummer (maximum 10)
1. John Bonham- Led Zepelin
2. Bill Ward- Black Sabbath, solo
3. Lars Ulrich- Metallica
4. Nick Menza- Megadeth
5. Vinnie Paul Abbott- Pantera, Damge Plan

Greatest Vocalist (maximum 10)
1. Bruce Dickinson- Iron Maiden, Sampson
2. W. Axl Rose- Guns'n Roses
3. Robert Plant- Led Zeppelin, solo
4. Ronnie James Dio ( Sabbath, Dio, Rainbow, ELF) and David Lee Roth (Van Halen)
5. Rob Halford- Judas Priests, Halford
6. Chris Cornell- Soundgarden, Temple of Dog, Audioslave
7. Alice Cooper- Alice Cooper, solo
8. Sebastian Bach- Skid Row, solo
9. Ian Gillan- Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Gillan

Greatest Hard Rock Song (10)
1. one- Metallica
2. Paranoid- Black Sabbath
3. Paradise City- Guns'n Roses
4. God of Thunder- KISS
5. Rock & Roll- Led Zeppelin
6. Trooper- Iron Maiden
7. No More Tears- Ozzy Osbourne
8. Peace Sells- Megadeth
9. The Outlaw Torn- Metallica
10. Iron Man- Black Sabbath

Best Ballad (5 maximum)
1. Stairway to Heaven- Led Zeppelin
2. Close My Eyes- Ozzy Osbourne/Lita Ford
3. Nothing Else Matters- Metallica
4. Don't Wanna Miss a Thing- Aerosmith
5. Infinite Dreams

Greatest Cover Song (optional) (10)
1. You Got Me- Van Halen |originally Kinks
2. Stone Cold Crazy- Metallica| originally Queen
3. Knockin' On Heaven's Door- Guns'n Roses| originally Bob Dylan
4. Live and Let Die- Guns'n Roses| originally Wings
5. Paranoid- Megadeth| originally Black Sabbath

Best Entertainer (otional)
1. Gene Simmons- KISS
2. Ozzy Osbourne- solo
3. Rob Zombe- White Zombie, solo
4. Axl Rose- Guns'n Roses
5. Alice Cooper

Greatest Band of Hard Rock (maximum 20)
1. Metallica
2. Black Sabbath
3. Iron Maiden
4. Guns'n Roses
5. Ozzy Osbourne
6. Aerosmith
7. KISS
8. Led Zeppelin
9. Megadeth
10. Van Halen
11. AC/DC
12. Judas Priests/ Halford
13. Deep Purple
14. Rob Zombie
15. Def Leppard


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Posted: 26th September 2004 05:05

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Nevertheless, I'll still give 'er a shot...

Greatest Guitarist
1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Jimmy Page
3. Tom Morello
4. Angus Young
5. Kirk Hammet
6. Slash

It gets muddy after that...

All told, Jimmy Page is God on guitar... and Morello is Jesus. Jimi Hendrix, however... he wasn't even of this world...

Best Bassist
1. John Paul Jones
2. Flea
3. Doug Keyser (Watchtower)
4. Cliff Burton
5. Jason Newstead
6. Les Claypool

The ever inhuman John Paul Jones... and Keyser is simply a pop n' slap monster. Few can play as fast or as insanely as he. The rest... the rest don't even need an introduction, it's how awesome they are.

Best Drummer
1. Neil Peart
2. Rick Colaluca (Watchtower)
3. John Bonham
4. Lars Ulrich
5. Vinnie Paul

If Neil Peart is God on Drums (and indeed he is), Colaluca is his Jesus. Nobody else alive can even touch what those two can do.

Greatest Vocalist

There's no such thing as a greatest vocalist... too much gray area. tongue.gif

Greatest Hard Rock Song

WAY too much gray area... o.O

Best Ballad

*cough* ↑↑↑↑↑

Greatest Band of Hard Rock
1. Led Zeppelin
2. Black Sabbath
3. AC/DC
4. Metallica
5. Guns n' Roses
6. Nirvana
7. Van Halen
8. Rolling Stones
9. Rage Against the Machine
10. Nine Inch Nails
11. Ozzy Osbourne
12. Kiss
13. Aerosmith
14. Judas Priest
15. Motley Crue
16. Alice in Chains
17. Stone Temple Pilots
18. Deep Purple
19. Watchtower
20. Ministry

So there it is... who I personally think is the greatest and most influential in all of hard rock (that I know of). ^^ Topped by the ones and only Led Zep' and Black f***ing Sabbath, and quickly AC/DC and Metallica and G n' R, who could've arguably been the next Rolling Stones... only more.

Why aren't the Beatles up here? Simple... they aren't really "hard rock"... but I don't think there'll be much argument when I say that they were simply THE absolute greatest band of all time... period, stop.

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Posted: 26th September 2004 10:28

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Greatest Guitarist (maximum 10)

1. Stevie Ray Vaughan
2. Eric Clapton (Cream, solo)
3. Mike McCready (Pearl Jam)
4. Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains)
5. Kirk Hammett (Metallica)
6. Jimi Hendrix (JH Experience)
7. Todd Whitener (Days of the New)
8. Eddie Van Halen (Van Halen)
9. Trey Anastasio (Phish) / John Frusciante (RHCP)
10. John Fogarty (CCR)

Best Bassist (maximum 10)

1. Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report, solo)
2. Les Claypool (Primus)
3. Geddy Lee (Rush)
4. John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin)
5. John Entwistle (The Who)

Best Drummer (maximum 10)

1. Danny Carey (Tool)
2. Neil Peart (Rush)
3. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden, Pearl Jam)
4. Dave Krusen (Pearl Jam)
5. Keith Moon (The Who)
6. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)

Greatest Vocalist (maximum 10)

1. Chris Cornell (Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, Audioslave, solo)
2. Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin)
3. Maynard James Keenan (Tool)
4. Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam)
5. Layne Staley (Alice in Chains)
6. Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains)
7. Ronnie James Dio (Dio)

Greatest Hard Rock Song (10)

1. When the Levee Breaks (Led Zeppelin)
2. Green River (CCR)
3. All Night Long (Joe Walsh)
4. Mr. Crowley (Black Sabbath)
5. Alive (Pearl Jam)
6. Battery (Metallica)
7. Comin' Home (Lynyrd Skynyrd)
8. Riders on the Storm (The Doors)
9. Black Betty (Ram Jam)
10. The Ghost of Tom Joad (Rage Against the Machine)

I wish Radiohead somehow fit into all this. =/

Best Ballad (5 maximum)

1. Silent Lucidity (Queensryche)
2. All My Love (Led Zeppelin)(Love this song to death)
3. Goodbye to Romance (Ozzy)
4. Tuesday's Gone (Lynyrd Skynyrd)
5. Plush (Stone Temple Pilots)

Greatest Cover Song (optional) (10)

Geez.....No clue. I'm fond of Pantera's Sabbath cover of Planet Caravan and Nirvana covering the Meat Puppets' Oh, Me, but that's about all that enter my mind at this time. Well, besides All Along the Watchtower, Little Wing, and No Quarter (Tool).

Meh.

Best Entertainer (optional)

No clue on this one. I'm inclined to pick Maynard. =/

Greatest Band of Hard Rock (maximum 20)

1. Led Zeppelin
2. Black Sabbath
3. Pearl Jam
4. Metallica
5. Tool
6. The Eagles
7. ZZ Top
8. Soundgarden
9. Alice in Chains
10. Aerosmith
11. Lynyrd Skynyrd
12. Nirvana
13. Stone Temple Pilots
14. CCR
15. Deep Purple
16. The Scorpions
17. Queensryche
18. Dire Straits
19. .........
20. .........

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This post has been edited by Shotgunnova on 26th September 2004 10:29

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Posted: 26th September 2004 22:01

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I'll take the liberty of overlooking the "hard rock/heavy metal" and substituting it with "ever" ... Because by just limiting it to hard rock or heavy metal, I'd be leaving out a whole lot of people worth mentioning.

I agree with Zephie and think that the categories are FAR too vague, or how he puts it "gray matter", but I'll do my best in trying corral who I think are "the best"

All of these lists are in no particular order of preference.

Guitarists
-Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave/the Nightwatchman/Axis of Justice)
-Jimi Hendrix
-Kirk Hammett (Metallica)
-John Frusciante (Red Hot Chili Peppers/solo)
-Slash (Guns n Roses/Velvet Revolver)
-Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin)
-Angus Young (AC/DC)
-Jack White (White Stripes)
-Alex Lifeson (Rush)
-*insert other awesome shredder here*

Bassists
-Tim Bob Commerford [aka: Timmy C.] (Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave)
-Flea (Red Hot Chili Peppers)
-Justin Chancellor (Peach/Tool)
-John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin)
-Paz Lechantin (A Perfect Circle/Zwan!)
-Geddy Lee (Rush)
-Les Claypool (Primus)
-P-Nut (311)
-Nick Oliveri (Queens of the Stone Age)
-*insert other awesome bass-master here*

Drummers
-Brad Wilk (Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave)
-John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
-Chad Sexton (311)
-Neil Peart (Rush)
-Danny Carey (Tool/Pygmy Love Circus)
-Eric Cretz (Stone Temple Pilots/Talk Show)
-Lars Ulrich (Metallica)
-Dave Grohl (Nirvana/Queens of the Stone Age/Cheap Trick/Nine Inch Nails/solo)
-Brian St. Clair (Local H/Triple Fast Action)
-Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
-Josh Freese (A Perfect Cirlce/Porno for Pyros/Evanescence/Offspring ('03)/Seether/solo)
-*insert other awesome keepers of the rhythm here*

Vocalists (you can't possibly expect me to only list 10...)
-Zack de la Rocha (Rage Against the Machine/solo)
-Maynard James Keenan (Tool/A Perfect Circle)
-Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin)
-Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters)
-Brian Johnson (AC/DC)
-Bon Scott (AC/DC)
-Jerry Cantrell/Layne Staley (Alice in Chains)
-Chris Cornell (Soundgarden/Temple of the Dog/solo/Audioslave)
-Dave Matthews (Dave Matthews Band/solo)
-Axl Rose (Guns n' Roses)
-Brandon Boyd (Incubus)
-Perry Farrell (Jane's Addiction/Porno for Pyros/solo)
-Scott Lucas (Local H)
-Adam Duritz (Counting Crows)
-Ozzy Osbourne (Black Sabbath/solo)
-James Hetfield (Metallica)
-Elias Soriano (Nonpoint)
-Raine Madia (Our Lady Peace)
-Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam)
-Freddie Mercury (Queen/solo)
-Josh Homme/Nick Oliveri/Mark Lanegan (Queens of the Stone Age)
-Anthony Kiedis (Red Hot Chili Peppers)
-Scott Weiland (Stone Temple Pilots/solo/Velvet Revolver)
-Nick Hexum/SA Martinez (311)
-*soooo many that I forgot*

I refuse to answer "greatest hard rock song"... Cuz if you couldn't tell by my sizeable vocalist list, I'd be typing for a long time...

Best Ballad
-"Unforgiven" ~ Metallica
-"Mama I'm Comin' Home" ~ Ozzy
-"Creep" ~ Stone Temple Pilots
-"November Rain" ~ Guns n' Roses
-"Black" ~ Pearl Jam

Best Cover Song
-"Calling Dr. Love" ~ Rage Against the Machine f/ Maynard James Keenan (Originally by KiSS)
-"Higher Ground" ~ Red Hot Chili Peppers (Originally by Stevie Wonder)
-"When the Levee Breaks" ~ Led Zeppelin (Originally by Memphis Minnie)
-"Never Say Never" ~ Queens of the Stone Age (Originally by Romeo Void)
-"Birth, School, Work, Death" ~ Local H (Originally by The Godfathers)

Best Entertainer
(* represents those who I've actually seen live)
-Zack de la Rocha (Rage Against the Machine)
-Maynard James Keenan (Tool/A Perfect Circle)
-Serj Tankian* (System of a Down)
-Jonathan Davis* (Korn)
-Anthony Keidis (Red Hot Chili Peppers)

Best Band
Not necessarily of heavy metal, but of my opinion...

-Rage Against the Machine
-Nonpoint
-Tool
-311
-Local H
-Stone Temple Pilots
-Red Hot Chili Peppers
-Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
-Queens of the Stone Age
-Metallica
-White Stripes
-Foo Fighters
-Soundgarden
-Rush
-Led Zeppelin
-AC/DC
-the Jimi Hendrix Experience
-Queen
-AFI
-System of a Down

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Posted: 26th September 2004 22:18

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I see what you mean by "grey area". First off, I DID say that it could feature non-hard rockers. This was just created with a hard rock/heavy metal base.
I'm not quite sure how deciding what your favorite hard rock song is hard, but maybe I should have explained better. It means your favorite heavy song (or the best song by a rock artist that isn't to lovey/balladish)
And by 'vocalist' I mean who-in your opinion- can do the best with his/her voice.

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Aye, I shouldn't have seen that coming. wink.gif

This post has been edited by Sherick on 26th September 2004 22:19

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Life goes on, it surely will,
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Posted: 27th September 2004 04:01

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Hah, it's STILL too vague for me to choose a favorite song... they're all so awesome. tongue.gif

Vocalist is still the same way, too. =P

And I just had to post to "correct" Sabs: John Freese also does drums for the new Guns n' Roses. wink.gif

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Posted: 27th September 2004 04:10

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Oh, that's the one I missed. Thanks Zeph. Freese also was a member of The Vandals. He's such a versatile drummer, and that's why he's definitely one of my favorite drummers. Not only is he versatile, but extremely talented.

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Posted: 29th September 2004 00:30

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Greatest Guitarist (maximum 10)
1. Jimmy Page. (Mainly Zeppelin)
2. Jimi Hendrix ( The Jimi Hendrix Experience)
3. Alexi Laiho (Children Of Bodom)
4. Tom Morello (oh, it's obvious)
5. Randy Rhoads (Ozzy, mid 80's)
6. Slash ( G N' R)
7. Kirk Hammett ('tallica)
8. Robert Smith ( The Cure)
9. John Frusciante (RHCP)
...and I could go on forever, but that's the top of my list.

Best Bassist (maximum 10)
1. Les Claypool (Primus)
2. Paz Lechantin ( old APC / Zwan)
3. Twiggy Ramirez (Marilyn Manson, new APC)
4. John Paul Jones (Zeppelin)
5. Flea (RHCP)
6. Hunter (AFI)

Best Drummer (maximum 10)
1. I Don't know his name, but the Drummer for the band
As I Lay Dying is the best drummer alive.
2. John Bonham (Zeppelin)
3. Danney Carey (Tool)
4. Neil Pert (Rush)
5. Adrian Graves ( Cradle Of Filth)

I hate this because I know so many awesome drummers but none of which I can remember their names.

Greatest Vocalist (maximum 10)

1- Maynard (Tool/APC)
2- Axl Rose (GNR)
3- Robert Plant (Zeppelin)
4- Robert Smith ( The Cure )
5- Anthony Keidis (RHCP)
6- Atreyu's singer (Atreyu)
7- Freddy Mercury (Queen)
8- John Lennon ( Beatles /solo)
9- Dani Filth (Cradle Of Filth)
10- Davey Havok (AFI)
11- Zach De La Rocha (RAGE)
12- Brandon Boyd (Incubus)
13- Dallas Green (Alexisonfire)
14- JIM MORRISON

Greatest Hard Rock Song (10)
1- The Number Of The Beast - Iron Maiden
2- Iron Man - Black Sabbath
3- Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple
4- Inna-gadda-da-vida - Iron Butterfly
5- You Give Love A Bad Name - Bon Jovi
6- Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
7- Man In The Box - Alice In Chains
8- Killing In The Name Of - Rage Against The Machine
9- Prison Sex - Tool
10- Sympathy For The Devil - Rolling Stones

Best Ballad (5 maximum
Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin
No Quarter - Led Zeppelin
Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Nothing Else Matters - Metallica
November Rain - GNR
Flyin' High Again - Ozzy
The End - The Doors

Greatest Cover Song (optional) (10)
1. All Along The Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix
2. The Godfather Theme - Slash
3. Snowblind - System Of A Down /original done by Black Sabbath
4. Wicked Game - HIM dunno who does the original
5. Imagine - A Perfect Circle - John Lennon

Best Entertainer (otional)
Rob Zombie
Serj Tenkian
Alexisonfire
Underoath
Coheed And Cambria
Pink Flyod
Iron Maiden

Greatest Band (maximum 20)

Atreyu
Alexisonfire
As I Lay Dying
Funeral For A Friend
Bleeding Through
Underoath
System Of A Down
Coheed And Cambria
Iron Maiden
Led Zeppelin
Alice In Chains
Rage Against The Machine
Tool
A Perfect Circle
From Autumn To Ashes
Cradle Of Filth
Children Of Bodom
Deep Purple
The Doors
Pink Flyod
Marilyn Manson
Rob/White Zombie
and I can be here all fuggin day.


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Posted: 30th September 2004 05:55

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9) Prison Sex - Tool


I can't believe I picked Black Betty over that and Eulogy. pinch.gif

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Posted: 30th September 2004 16:25

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9) Prison Sex - Tool


I can't believe I picked Black Betty over that and Eulogy. pinch.gif

I don't believe it either ohmy.gif

Still, it's probably only because we had limits. I could've gone on for days about greatest hard rock songs. It's just not fair to ask for a small amount when there are just so many. You can forget songs easily....or even choose ones over others and then look back and slap yourself in the face.

Black Betty is still damn catchy though.

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