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Yep, you guessed it. They're making another FF7 spin-off game, this time starring Vincent. It's called Final Fantasy 7: Dirge of Cerberus, and will not be produced for the cell phone market, unlike the FF7 Shinra game. It will be a playable game, unlike Advent Children, but they're not releasing if this is going to be an RPG yet. Not a whole lot of details are known, but you can check out the logo and one piece of propaganda.

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Well, I'm getting sick of all these spinoffs, personally. I don't find myself interested in any of them, and although I liked Vincent, I still don't want to buy this one. I'm concerned with maybe playing through the original FF7 once more, not with getting all the money to play/watch the spinoffs. Discuss!

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Hey, put the cellphone down for a while
In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Who do they think they are, Paramount?

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~Status Report~

* Completed... Dragon's Head
* Completed... Soldiers of the Empire: Disciples (release pending)
* In Progress/Undecided... Of Love and Betrayal
* Planning/Assembly... Where it all Began

I agree. Talk about milking something for all it's worth...

What're they gonna turn FFVII into, the "Land Before Time" series of RPGs? Enough is a freaking 'nough!

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

They should release the Picard.... er I mean Hojo Collection. Then they would be Paramount. I guess we'll have to see how things work out.

I can't wait for the fighting game to come out. I think the working title is Dio's battle arena.

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"That Light has bestowed upon me the greatest black magic!"

"Vincent May Cry"

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Quote (Neal @ 16th September 2004 06:57)

Final Fantasy 7: Dirge of Cerberus

Wait... Dirge? An omen?

Talk about taking it too far.

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Quote (The Ancient @ 16th September 2004 09:41)

I can't wait for the fighting game to come out. I think the working title is Dio's battle arena.

There's a fighting game coming out? Wasn't Ergheiz bad enough, sigh...

They're making so many spinoffs because they know they're gonna make a loads of money. Many people liked FF7 and they know that, so if they make something that continues the adventure (or what happens before) people are gonna buy since they loved the whole world of FF7. Personnaly, I do not like any of these spinoffs except for Advent Children. My opinion is to leave it as it is unless there was some major problem with it. For example, at the end many people were wondering what happened to the planet, so they made Advent Children. I think this was ok since it fixed the problem, but all these other ones aren't necessary. They were all explained in the game and there was no major problem in regards to how they fit into the storyline, so it isn't necessary. Also, they could've used the resources spent on these spinoffs to instead make their current games as good as they used to be. All these spinoffs are just a waste of time

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- Shitan, Xenogears

I like Vincent just as much as the next guy, but I don' know if I'd really like to see him in a title role type setting. But, whatever, maybe it'll end up being pretty good and I'll have to eat my words

How pointless.
If they're going to Make spin-offs based on individual characters, I'd personally like to see certain characters other than Vincent first.

Well, if one game in the series is going to get bastardized, it may as well be VII.

This post has been edited by Dark Paladin on 17th September 2004 22:52

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I don't have much of a problem with it, although I do agree with DP on it being pointless. To me, just because they rape the series doesn't mean that the original FF VII will suck. So whatever. If Square wants to be a bunch of money grubbing wh**res then I say let them be. I'm sure if you were gonna get a million dollars to rape a game then you would... I know I would.

This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 18th September 2004 05:59

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Thanks to Hanyou, I have a link to some screenshots from the upcoming game.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/0409/game091504a.shtml

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Hey, put the cellphone down for a while
In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Looks to me like an FPS or Third-Person adventure game. And if it is, it had better be better than Fire Warrior...

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"Only the dead have seen the end of their quotes being misattributed to Plato."
-George Santayana

"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

Square Enix thinks FF7 is good for some reason

>_>
Hmm, I wonder why?

No seriously, FF7 = bad

Bad Soundtrack, the graphics were half-assed, the plot line was shiit, the gameplay was boring...

WHERE do you see the good in the game??? WHERE

The answer: The game sucked... and Square has the wierd way of thinking it was good... cuz their FF team has their heads up their asses right now...

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"A little tight, but the price was right" - Locke
"Oh, what a Fuddy Duddy" - Relm
"..." - Shadow
"I'm a General, not some love starved twit" - Celes
"Although Edgar showers his attention on the ladies, most are smart enough to pay him no attention. Oh! King Edgar!" - Figaro Castle Inn Attendant

You are of course entitled to your opinion but I think that you will find it to be greatly in the minority. Most people found it to be quite the opposite of what you have written.

The soundtrack is considered to be one of the best, the graphics are accepted because it was the first 3D attempt in the FF series, and the story is thought to be quite complicated in at least a few points. (Who is Cloud? What does Jenovah have to do with things, etc...)

It's nice to hear another point of view on the game. Could you perhaps elaborate on what you didn't enjoy?

Locke_Cole, it isn't exactly Square suffering from delusions of grandeur. While I don't like FFVII either, Square is aware of the fanbase behind it and, like with FFX, wants to make more money off of that. People will buy it because of the name and they know it.

Personally, I'd like to see a continuation to other games in the series that left us hangin', but I know that would most likely ruin the mystery and quite possibly the overall storylines.

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Words of Wisdom:

If something can go wrong, it will.

If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway.

If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law

Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn

sure, Advent Children sounded good. but seriously Square, does this sound like a good idea to you?

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Way I sees it is, if you don't like it, don't buy it. ^^ Personally I withhold judgement until I play, although I agree all these sequals to sequals are bloody annoying. I blame it on Square losing Hironobu Sakaguchi. I'm just watching for RPGs with the Mist Walker labal.

This post has been edited by Mu the Squirrel on 18th September 2004 18:36

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I dont get it, is it a movie or a game?!

Edit: uh... Mu.. how did you remeber how to spell that guys name? oh and I Blame Enix.

This post has been edited by Kresin on 19th September 2004 02:06

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Game - Location ---------- Score
FF -------- Got the Canoe --- B-
FFII ------ That Pond -------- C+
FFIII ----- ... ----------------- N/A
FFV ------ The N Zone ------- B+
FFVI ------ WOR ------------- A
FFVII ----- The Gold Saucer- A+
FFVIII ---- COMPLETED ----- D-
FFIX ------ COMPLETED ----- B+
FFT ------- COMPLETED ----- A

It looks alright I guess. It might end up being a really cool game. However, I wish they could come up with fresher games.

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Wiggum: Do they still sell those frozen bananas?
Lou: I think so.
Wiggum: Let's roll.

This is going to be detrimental to all the debating that's been done.

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Quote (Kresin @ 18th September 2004 21:05)

Edit: uh... Mu.. how did you remeber how to spell that guys name? oh and I Blame Enix.

Two FF crew names that should never be forgotten. Hironobu Sakaguchi and Nobou Uematsu. Nobou still works on FF games but no longer composes the fantastic music himself since FFIX but rather oversees it... I think not having him directly involved in VII-2 could ruin the FF feeling a little.

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to me this game will be another commercial crap (also if i hope it won't) as FFX-2, i saw that game.. what is it? charlie's angels??
anyway, FF7 is great, and i think that the game should remain alone without any other spin-off.
Square-enix could have made another RPG with the same story of this drige of cerbersus, i'm afraid that they're only abusing of a FF7 charachter because the game is probably nothing special
(anyway, vincent is really cool )


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Well, on the one hand it could be considered tacking on extra story to ff7.

But I prefer to think of it in a positive sense. They are taking an already existing character (you already know Vincent, his past and personality), and introducing you to other events in his life.

Personally, I think FF7 has great potential for sequels. Probably the best among the Final Fantasys, and thats why I think Square picked FF7 to expand on, rather than other ones. The whole Ancients and Jenova thing would be a great thing to expand on.

I can understand that people who aren't interested in the story would rather have Square do other things, but for someone who enjoyed the story its a chance to further explore the world of FF7 and get to know the characters better.

It would be great if they used this game and Advent Children to reach some sort of goal, story wise. But I will be dissapointed if they don't further develop Vincent in this game.

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How about an FF6 sequal square? I can only take so much sephiroth before i get sick of him

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If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
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Quote (Rujuken @ 22nd September 2004 22:54)

Personally, I think FF7 has great potential for sequels. Probably the best among the Final Fantasys, and thats why I think Square picked FF7 to expand on, rather than other ones. The whole Ancients and Jenova thing would be a great thing to expand on.

Ditto, and I think that since Vincent's character was given such an intriguing and scandalous background and since he doesn't really develop within FF7, then he would be a great focus for a sequel.

I don't really play shooters, or 3D action games for that matter, so I hope this is at least RPG-ish, but it looks it could rock either way. It seems they're really going to town with Vincent's past's whole creepy Gothic aspect.

If Dirge of Cerberus (what a title!) does FF7 as much justice as FFX2 did FFX, then I'll be pleased at the very least.

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Quote (Locke_Cole @ 18th September 2004 09:56)

Square Enix thinks FF7 is good for some reason

>_>
Hmm, I wonder why?

No seriously, FF7 = bad

Bad Soundtrack, the graphics were half-assed, the plot line was shiit, the gameplay was boring...

WHERE do you see the good in the game???  WHERE

The answer: The game sucked... and Square has the wierd way of thinking it was good... cuz their FF team has their heads up their asses right now...

Well, that may be your opinion about ff7's graphics, music and story..
But like EK said, the 3d graphics of 7 were their first attempt in the ff series. The graphic MAY SEEM to suck but not ALL of them.. I mean, get in a battle and see Cloud's graphics, Tifa's, Cid's (He's my fav), and some others. They look friggen way better than the out-of-battle graphics (especially in the "final battle" the graphics there are nice). The soundtrack is nice. Hear the Boss Battle music. Or how about Shinra's theme? Those sound very good. I don't know how you easily hated the songs. FF7 is still cool to me and shit but I seem to like 6 better since the game seems more interesting and exciting to me more than 7.

Yeah, well, anyways, back to topic...
I really think that Square Enix should focus on remakes of the great original ff games, not a crappy sequel. AD is looking cool but they should make games, not movies. They should also try to bring Final Fantasy 3 (not the one with Terra,Locke,Celes,Espers,Kefka,etc.) and Mystic Quest to the USA. I've played some of 3 and MQ. They seem pretty nice.. I wonder why they won't try to bring them to the US? Probably it costs lots of money and time for remakes so I don't blame them.

Quote (LockewithCeles @ 29th September 2004 15:16)

I really think that Square Enix should focus on remakes of the great original ff games, not a crappy sequel. AD is looking cool but they should make games, not movies. They should also try to bring Final Fantasy 3 (not the one with Terra,Locke,Celes,Espers,Kefka,etc.) and Mystic Quest to the USA. I've played some of 3 and MQ. They seem pretty nice.. I wonder why they won't try to bring them to the US? Probably it costs lots of money and time for remakes so I don't blame them.

um... Mystic Quest was released back in like 1994 or so for the SNES.
They made it FOR the western audience because they thought us too dumb to understand the complexities of "real" rpgs.

But I digress...
I'm with the "buy it if you want to" school of thought.
Square-Enix is making movies/games etc. that they think will make money. If these things don't make money then they won't make more. Most companies aren't stupid, and I think other than Nobuo taking the back burner and Hironobu vacating the premises, they've done a fine job so far. There are some of their products that I don't intend to purchase, but then... FFT just recently came off that list.

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I think Square should just put Final Fantasy to rest. Let's face it, it's not the same series anymore. Up until 5 (inclusively) it was about crystals, elements, power-hungry inhuman villains that were just plain evil, magic, airships, and so forth. Starting at 6, crystals vanished, elements only played much of a role in the battle engine, the baddies were for the most part human but either misguided or ambitious and not actual monsters, technology became the dominant force, and so forth.

I'm not saying it's not a good series, but it isn't "Final Fantasy" anymore at this point. Save for the traditional token crystal theme (which, I've heard, won't be in 12... wtf?) chocobos, Cid, and so forth.

In any event, FF7 was good but hardly the best in terms of potential new storylines. Take FF2 (us; 4j if you'd rather call it that) for instance.

Possible spoilers: highlight to view

What happened to Kain during his training journey? Did Edge just suddently settle down and become king of Eblan, discarding his adventurous life? Is anything ever going to happen between him and Rydia or will she just stay in the summoned monster land? Are Golbez and FuSoYa forever gone, doomed to sleep on the Moon until the end of time? Are Cecil and Rosa just living a peaceful life as king and queen? What about Zemus' cliché final words about never truly being gone? The potential for a sequel is so staggeringly high that it's almost a wonder Square never attempted it.

Square just took a game that sold very well and figured they could play on that to make an other game that will sell well. Wether it will be good or not will most likely have very little to do with which game it's based on (ie, FF7) and more with how large the FF7 fanbase is.

Ah well. To each their own...

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