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Yeep.

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Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau!
I'm your friend!
Let's travel together!

By the way, did you get the formation switching to work in battle scripts?

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Pst, Gau is SO frozen!!

This post has been edited by The 6th Lime on 27th August 2004 03:37

I haven't tried it yet. I'll talk to you later about it.

Btw, I added another attack to myself: my prized attack, Penguinize! It turns you into a penguin! Cute, but completely worthless when lacking the proper attire, and I doubt you will walk into a battle with 4 complete suits of Penguin equipment on. This is a Lore, too, so bring Strago into battle and make sure HE gets hit.

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Btw, the only attack used prior to Caesar's Focusing of Vast Energy was Crystal Meteor. Look at Shadow's HP...now keep in mind that Crystal Meteor has a power of 15. That's right...he once he max health *(shakes head)*. What I don't understand is how a multi-targetting attack can do 9600 damage with 15 power, yet Shadow Flare, a non-elemental, defense-piercing attack does only 4500 and it has 6x the power of CM...

This post has been edited by Caesar on 27th August 2004 04:23

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Is PJ

hum...cesar, this hack has piqued my interest, i am dying to beta test this myself, perhaps you can email me the current progress of the hack and lemme see it for myself to see if this is worth playing, dont worry i wont spoil anything, i will simply give rating on scale on 1 to 10 ehhehe oh yeah, i would be honored if you put one extra enemy named after me hehe i have played many hacks myself, this looks like it will pwn all, my email is [email protected], and u can contact me on aim, if we could discuss CyperNeo's details hehehe, u could say my enemy could be Cesar boss' pet

This post has been edited by CyperNeo on 27th August 2004 13:51

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i am....CyperNeo....and i am....the end of....your existance

I don't know about sending a beta version...really there isn't too much to be changed. I have about 7 more bosses to add, and of course their spells, but I finished nearly all the dances, which weren't included in WGG's version, plus the rifle and two types of ammunition, wihch also weren't given to WGG. It was sort of a gift to him for helping out so much, and also to get some feedback for it. I'll think about it, though. PM me your AIM screenname and we'll talk. As for my pet, I was thinking of making a new enemy for myself...most likely a gladiator. This would most definitely make the battle more difficult. However, I don't *need* gladiators to help me win..just to make it more interesting.

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My AI is all finished. It is a VERY tough battle. Elemental defense is a must, if you want to last more than 8 or so hits. I only have 300,000 HP, which isn't bad at all sicne I have almost no defense at all. Sounds easy, right? Well...I'll put him somewhere sometime...maybe in that "monsters-in-a-box" chest in the Narshe classroom. Hahaha, that would be so evil.

Btw, I no longer use the reset attack. I changed that into PsionBurst. You should all thank WGG for that spell idea, because otherwise you would have to deal with the reset attack.

This post has been edited by Caesar on 27th August 2004 19:02

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ahh i am supposed to post feed back in here, i have played this and fought against cesar himself, god he is teh god, rivaling GloC's SuperAtma in terms of difficulty, and if you do certain things, fights can last for eternity, and no i will not tell you what to advoid, u will have to find it for yourself, oh by the way, quick helps alot indeed, he lacks quick/spell protections so u might pull it off hehehe he is evil, pure evil. oh yeah, even with setups designed to counter everything he dishes on you, he is strong, too strong, even with perfect setups, he may be weak, but hell u cant kill him mark my words, mark them well. he will survive anything u throw on him.

emerald weapon: he is just pure @#$@# hammers you with everything he got, and has defenses to back it up

ruby weapon: he is even worse than ff7 version, he wont die, he simply wont die!

warmech: i got one word for him: pathetic, he hardly did any damage to me, execpt occasional nuclear and explosion. but i beat him in like a min or less

plague: god i hate him, he is even worse than ff4 version, better hope u dont have haste or ur screwed, he has gained several new tricks like mindblast and stuff. thats all i am gonna to say


in all: i rate this game 9.5 in terms of difficulty, 10 for originality, 10 for funage

over all it comes down to overall rating of 9.8! surpassing even famed Super Atma Patch



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i am....CyperNeo....and i am....the end of....your existance

Heh. Warmech easy, yet plague hard? Opposites here... ==
As for Ruby... I'm not saying the battle is impossible (yet) but he seems overcharged... REALLY overcharged... to the point of not dure if he's eve able to be proven killable.
Emerald I have successfully slain. Pain in the... front. ==;

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Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau!
I'm your friend!
Let's travel together!

9.8? I'll take it! Btw, just to all the readers, Emerald Weapon, Ruby Weapon, and Plague are definitely all beatable, as I have done it myself. I haven't killed myself (Caesar) yet. I have gotten very close, but I haven't completely killed him. I *do* have a strategy that may work, though. Warmech, although pathetic if you know his attacks and strategies, can be extremely annoying and difficult the first several tries. I, myself, haven't killed him yet...I always feel like I'm holding back because I can never go all-out on my own creation. Thank you for your comments, CyperNeo!

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in all: i rate this game 9.5 in terms of difficulty, 10 for originality, 10 for funage

over all it comes down to overall rating of 9.8! surpassing even famed Super Atma Patch

Not only did my hack get a good rating, I also learned a new word: funage!

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Warmech easy, yet plague hard? Opposites here... =happy.gif=

Yea I thought Warmech was hard, too. Plague was easy once you figure out how to do it. The thing with Ruby is that I tried to give him his attacks from FFVII. These would include status-inducing attacks for the claws, Whirlsand, meteo, shadowflare, and several earth/fire attacks. Really, all you need is fire/earth protection and some defense and you're set. It does take awhile, I agree, but it can be done. As for Caesar....I'm not sure if he can be beaten. I may need to water him down a bit.

Just a quick note. I've been fighting Caesar for about one hour and 45 minutes so far and havent lost yet. My strategy is perfect. I cannot be beaten. However, I dug myself into a substantial hole which may take some time ot get out of. It *will* be beaten, though.

This post has been edited by Caesar on 28th August 2004 03:38

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lol glad to hear good comments about my feed back, reason why i had difficult time with plague due to underestimation, i expected just harder ff4 version, but unfortunately i was wrong, big time wrong. so thus my entire strat was blown into bits when he mindblasted me, btw, cesar and me tweaked Cesar boss so he would be beefed up to provide decent challenge, since my verison is weak but lonnngg. all it would take is sheeer persistance, and we found glitch in ai which is easy to exploit, charm basically shuts his ai down, forces him to attack himself again again doing no damage, so we fixed that made nightshade's charm rage nulled and blockable. oh btw, i noted one interesting fact. he seems to die faster if you do certain things while advoiding doing things, i wont tell you seceret, i know how to kill him but doing it is other story, happy hunting fellas oh btw





thats team i use, it works quite well

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i am....CyperNeo....and i am....the end of....your existance

So, is the game actually done now that it's being beta-tested by several people? Or are you still accepting ideas? Eventually I would assume that you will want to close this topic and post a new one saying that the game is done, rather than just accept ideas from here until forever and never finish anything.

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 28th August 2004 14:57

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"To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly

Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

Haha, the game WILL be finished, R51. I think I gave the hack out to...3 people to test run it for glitches I may have misses or gotten so used to I forgot about. Two of those are in the above screenshot posted. Edgar reflected a full-screen attack, taking a step back afterwards for some reason. That is fixed. Also, those glitches on the curser and to the far left of the screen were also fixed. They were due to issues in the white/effect magic cast animations. As for new ideas, I am nearing the homestretch. List of things that need to be finished:

FuSoYa, Golbez, and Edge sprites.
Diamond, Sapphire, and Ultima monster graphics.
The battle script for the above three.
Reprogramming the final battle and the AI of all the monsters involved.
Making some more ammunition (I have plenty ideas, please don't post more).
Making suitable new attacks for Mog's new command.
Dialogue?
Lastly, make some sweet new custom animation attacks. These include Omnislash, KotR, and maybe some other ones for other characters. We'll see.
There may be more I forgot, but not too many, I don't think.

So, R51, this topic will be closed eventually, but until it is finished, it will stay open. I'll then start a new topic for feedback, in which I will release the patch.

Btw, CyperNeo, releasing your "ideal" party in the form of a screenshot doesn't do much, since Gogo can use almost every ability, Gau can use 255 different attack programs, Edgar can equip the most weapons out of any character, and Cecil is dead.

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I just realized that in your above post, CyperNeo, whenever you refer to changes made to Caesar, you use first person plural, including yourself. IIRC, I was the one who made him, discovered the glitches, *and* changed him. Same goes for Charm.

This post has been edited by Caesar on 29th August 2004 01:17

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Good god! Caesar took all of my guys, which were poisoned, down to 1 life, at which point they died. Crystal Meteor isnt much trouble, however the Psion Blast is tough to deal with, and he does it really often.

I am the easiest boss ever, once you use "the strategy". I haven't killed myself yet, but I am going on 2.5 hours fighting myself. I haven't died and he can't kill me.

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I did it! I killed myself! I can't tell you how, because that would take allll the fun out of trying to kill me yourself. It took 3 hours to do it, but it IS possible, so I don't want anybody to gripe to me because they claim it's impossible (although I'm not sure if anybody has the Caesar version besides CyperNeo and T6L...)

This post has been edited by Caesar on 29th August 2004 00:47

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If you killed yourself, how did you post that? ==
Seriously though, good job... but does that count as murder or suicide? == ==
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Alright, I'll stop.

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And I will thank you if you do. -R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 29th August 2004 12:51

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Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau!
I'm your friend!
Let's travel together!

Yeah I have yet to beat Caesar. Emerald Weapon uses fire 1, for whatever reason, but it still does 8000-9000 damage. He also does revenge, which is an instant 9999 damage. Ruby weapon will heal you most of the time if you have a flame shield or paladin shield. Warmech + Warspecks can be dealt with a bunch of different ways. Personally I like having FuSoYa do nuclear on them.

A few generic spell ideas. Not sure whether theyd be player spells, monster-exclusive, whattever.

HighFrequency: A spell version of that tool that confuses enemies. (It's like 3:00 when I'm posting this, so forgive any unknown names. == )

Piledriver: Massive energy cannon, non-elemental damage, cuts casters HP by 1/16

Crushing Blow: Low damage... but destroys the target's equipment! (Vwee hee hee...)

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Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau!
I'm your friend!
Let's travel together!

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Crushing Blow: Low damage... but destroys the target's equipment! (Vwee hee hee...)

well, it sounds cool but i dont think equipment can be destroyed, disabled maybe, but destroyed not likely

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i am....CyperNeo....and i am....the end of....your existance

T6L: Yea Emerald Weapon acquired Fire 1 somehow...I'm not sure how to change it, sicne there is no 00 in his AI script. Soooo....just get some fire protection since that is his only elemental attack, I believe (besides the occasional water attack). Also, when you have over 1,000,000 and you use an attack that does the difference between your max and current HP, it's going to do some serious damage. Caesar is very tough to beat without a good strategy. Ruby isn't bad, either, once you figure him out. Same goes for Warmech (why is it that I can't beat the "easiest" boss, yet I can beat the other 4?).

WGG: I'm not sure where I would include those spells, but if I need any ideas I might use them.

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Things seem to be progressing well here. This all looks great. Curious about the dance moves for Golbeze, is 'focused strike' the horizontal lightning bolt move? And also, is there a way to stick Meteo in there, make it powerful, and have a low chance of it occurring? Speaking of which, maybe Fusoya could learn Meteo as a Lore... and if that happens, is W. Meteo possible?

Setzer (who is golbeze) has Meteo as a slot attack.

Golbez doesn't have slot anymore, so he doesn't have meteo or the thunder move. As of now, Mog has those, but that will change. Golbez has plenty of other skills to replace Meteo, so there's no need to worry. As for W. Meteo, I'm not sure what that is so I can't answer you.

I could've sworn this thread was dead....

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Is PJ

yeah it nearly did, anyways, i have been testing on ruby weapon battling strategies, i believe i may have come up with fool proof strategy at killing him

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i am....CyperNeo....and i am....the end of....your existance

Blast, I was hoping Golbez could keep all of his FF4 moves. Well, perhaps W. Meteo being the only exception. This is when Golbez combines with Fusoya and they both cast Meteo at the same time.

yesterday, me and caesar has discovered that ruby weapon has fixed hp, so therefore do not attempt to kill him, since he is unkillable, you will just pummel him forever. i also suspect that goes same for some of monsters since caesar boss seemily has that effect hum...oh well anyways, caesar will release rom version that has fixed problems, so be patient.

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i am....CyperNeo....and i am....the end of....your existance

You do realize that there was no point to saying that, considering the problem is fixed and a very few select people actually have the faulty version. That is, if ANYBODY has it. It would seem that I accidentally added in that problem while changing his attack script AFTER I beat him myself, which is also after I released the version to everybody. There is no possibility of this infinite loop appearing in other monster's scripts since all of them have been beaten before, and haven't been changed since they were beaten.

As a note to the general public: There really is no point in suggesting any more ideas for things that are already finished, such as Golbez's attacks or tools. However, this thread will not be closed yet, should I decide to show you the WEAPON pictures when they are finished, or if you have ideas for Mog's slot attacks or dialogue or something that isn't finished. For those of you who have the ROM already, I would appreciate it if you didn't release any strategies and/or feedback in this thread. Save your comments and wait for me to make a feedback thread. Thank you.

Btw, thanks for finally spelling my name right, CyperNeo.

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Dialogue alteration's needed? Let's see..
Well, this seems to be somewhat of a 'spoof' hack, I'm thinking a more lighthearted tone. A sorta 'Just havin fun adventuring' style, y'know?
Of course, the alterations could be taken the opposite way, in an 'Amalgamation of the Worlds' sorta way. I'm thinking something along the lines of maybe the Emperial technology, though wondorous, is having some powerful side effects, such as the warping of space and time.
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Also... why not change the Whelk into R51? Seeing as they both are the bosses of the Narshe Caves... ==

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Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau!
I'm your friend!
Let's travel together!

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Also... why not change the Whelk into R51? Seeing as they both are the bosses of the Narshe Caves...

Hahaha...we shall see. Of course, I wouldn't know what attacks to give him.

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Is PJ

How 'bout...
Mod Edit: Casts 'Mute' (Auto-counter to Terra's Flame- er, FIRE spell)
Warning: Casts 'Slow', 'Poison'.
Banned! : Removes slain from battle




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Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau!
I'm your friend!
Let's travel together!

Hmm, how's progress Caesar? Will you post here when your hack is done?

Yes, the finished product will be hosted here WHEN I FINISH. I have no idea when this will be since there a lot of small changes that need to be made and I'm not in the mood to do them now, since school just started.

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