Posted: 4th July 2004 18:24
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Yea i was thinking of dropping Doom Gaze for Ultima Weapon. Ruby weapon though could present a problem. See, to my knowledge, when i import a picture using FFVISE, it needs to replace another image. Since there are approximately 450 enemies (a rough estimate, please dont bother correcting this), and only around 180 different images, when i swap an imported image for an existing image, it changes alllllll the enemies who use that images (all the palette swaps). E.g. when i switched KatanaSoul for Emerald Weapon, since retainer uses the same image, but a different palette, i needed to first change katanasouls image to one that can be deleted. I chose tentacle since there are two graphics for it. Unfortunately, now all the tenctacles use the same image, but i think Emerald Weapon makes up for it. Doom Gaze can be exchanged for Ultima Weapon very easily since he doesnt share a graphic with any other enemies. I do have an idea, however, for ruby weapon...ill share it if it works. Also, if anybody knows how to make a random encounter that you can only encounter once (similar to doom gaze once hes dead), then please inform me on how to do it, because then i could very very easily include ruby.
Lastly, i just thought of a brilliant (and quite humorous) idea for sprites. I exchange Terra for Mario (after he eats a mushroom, of course; not tiny mario). I also exchange the terra esper for Hammer Mario. I then change the name of Morph to something like HammaTime and change a good majority of the text. Let me know what you think. ![]() -------------------- Is PJ |
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Posted: 4th July 2004 19:09
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I dont thing thats a good idea.for,it make completly no sense with the theme of ff6.anyways,Final Fantasy games are WAY better then Mario,in my opinion anyway.(this is no flame)I DO think,that makin Terra capable of constantly being esper,i a good idea.you should also make it possible that Terra flies in esper form just like the airship.and,that also is just an opinion. Its your choice what you are gonna put in your hack.and,you asked what we think.And Aora,Ruby and Emerald ROCK.
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Posted: 4th July 2004 20:54
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Yes youre definitely right. Mario doesnt really blend with final fantasy characters, but he is still awesome. I still need to know if its possible to make a one-time-only random encounter. If not, then ill hafta search for a boss to substitute ruby weapon for...which i really dont want to do because he should be fought in the desert.
Quote Edit: OK i might have a solution: if i make all 3 stooges use the same graphic (for argument's sake, we'll say we use curley's), but just change the palette, or just replace the 3 stooges battle alltogether, i would have at least 2 extra images to get replace with weapons (most likely ruby and diamond). I would have the tentacle battle (in the engine room with edgar, celes, and sabin) just use 4 of the same tentacle enemy, thus giving me 3 enemy slots to work with. This way, tentacle 2 can be renamed ruby weapon and use larry's graphic, which is soon replaced with ruby weapon's graphics. After changing stats and graphics and its name, and putting it in a different monster formation, it has become a completely different monster. As for where to include ruby weapon, i think i may have a solution. I will have each of the 5 weapons i will make (ruby, emerald, diamond, sapphire, ultima) give a piece of penguin equipment (like imp equipment, but since imp is now penguin, i had to change it) when they are defeated. I will then simply change the price to $2 so beating him would give nothing but $1. And of course, the piece you get from ruby will be the worst piece since he can be fought repeatedly. Ok time to get to work! This post has been edited by Caesar on 4th July 2004 22:08 -------------------- Is PJ |
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Posted: 4th July 2004 23:34
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Hey, gta-a outta my way-a, esper! Its-a me, Mario!
(in other words, PUT IN MARIO!!!!!) -------------------- Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau! I'm your friend! Let's travel together! |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 00:23
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Hahaha yesssss. I was waiting for somebody to agree with me (believe it or dont, i was going to put something like "all i need is for somebody to agree with me for mario to officially become part of the game...im counting on you, wing god gau!"). Awesome. Now i can continue my work. I took a screenshot of Terra-Mario on the airship before i stopped working on him. It is included below. Thanks WGG!
![]() ![]() This is scaled down so the quality is not as good as id like. Ruby Weapon update: He is now a random encounter battle with a 25% chance to fight him. There is a very small patch of desert in the WoR in one of the central continents (its very long and thin...the small desert is right on the bend). I didnt work too much on the AI, just on the battle itself. It looks very promising. More updates to come later. -------------------- Is PJ |
Post #50498
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Posted: 5th July 2004 01:31
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Kickass. For the Flying Esper, why not go for Tanooki Suit mario?
Edit I just thought of something you could do that'd be GREAT... why not alter a weapon to be mario exclusive, and have a fireball attack graphic? I KNOW there's one in there somewhere... and FireFlower Mario would be PERFECT. This post has been edited by Wind God Gau on 5th July 2004 01:36 -------------------- Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau! I'm your friend! Let's travel together! |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 01:33
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Ahhh i never thought of tanooki suit mario. I was thinking hammer suit mario, but the hammer suit cant fly. Yea i guess tanooki would make more sense. Ok ill see what i can do.
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Post #50506
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Posted: 5th July 2004 01:38
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What else could there be... hmm... what if Kefka became Luigi?
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Post #50507
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Posted: 5th July 2004 01:46
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Nah Kefka would be Bowzer if anybody, but i dont think im going to make any more mario characters. Just mario and takooni suit. Ive decided to abort the gilgamesh character, though, which leaves the slot for magus wiiiide open since his palette isnt being used by another custom character. Lookin' good.
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Posted: 5th July 2004 03:19
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I really like where this is going! Perhaps you could put Luigi in as a random encounter?
Edit I have two seperate ideas you might be able to make use of in the WoR. Instead of Gogo in the Zone Eater replace him with Red Mage from Final Fantasy I and after the battle with Hideon perhaps if the character talks to Leo's grave twenty times, a zombie Leo (Ths sprite could look like Project 024 from the Magitek Research Facility) pops out and they do battle against him, winning ANOTHER offering, or genji glove. Or maybe not. These aren't the best ideas, but I'm sharing them, since you wanted input. Moderator Edit Don't double-post, please. -R51 This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 5th July 2004 08:35 -------------------- "When the clouds darken and things look their darkest, you just have to throw up your arms and say: OK, because it's probably going to get a helluva lot worse." |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 04:01
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Luigi as a random encounter...i suppose i could, but id have to think of where he could go, who hed replace, etc. etc. etc. and im already having space issues with the weapons (not weapon items, weapon enemies). I might think about incorporating more mario into this hack, just for comic relief, really. Haha i would love to make a goomba as a character but that would be really really off track.
The ruby weapon battle set-up is complete, but i still need to work out the AI. I havent been working on it much because i remembered one key point to the FFVII battle that i left out. Adding it would make the battle much much more difficult and more interesting. Anyways, i would take a screenshot for everybody to see what its like so far, but my computer is sort of frozen right now...the image of this window is frozen to the screen (if i close it, it disappears from the task bar, but the window stays on the desktop....very annoying since my emulator is in a folder on the desktop). Oh well. Ill include a picture at a later point i suppose. If anybody is willing to finish the mario sprite for me, let me know. I finished the graphics of him walking, but my sprite editing skills are limited basically only to importing graphics from other games or form a sheet of sprites, adjusting the size, and then transferring that into FFVI with the correct palette. So, if the frame isnt there, i wont be able to make it basically is what it comes down to. ![]() Quote Edit: Screenshots ![]() ![]() ![]() This post has been edited by Caesar on 5th July 2004 04:28 -------------------- Is PJ |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 07:54
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Speaking of Mario, who does he replace? Does he have his own set of moves? JUMP? (Dragoon Boots and Horn might work with this one) permanent fire 3 as Fireball? or toss Bahamut into the enemies of around 5000 damage?
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Posted: 5th July 2004 08:22
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That permanent Fire3 idea sonds pretty freaking cool...
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Posted: 5th July 2004 15:11
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Mario replaces terra (yes i know i will need to change a lot of text, but, hey, its mario) and esper terra is replaced with mario in the takooni suit (the racoon-like one that can turn into the statue). I wasnt sure about the abilities, though. As of now, terra has fight, morph, magic, and item. I would like to fit jump in there so he wouldnt even have to equip dragon boots, but that presents me with a problem. If i get rid of fight, then the early battles become much longer and easier since terra-mario wouldnt be able to be attacked while jumping. However, if i get rid of morph, then he wouldnt be able to become takooni suit mario, and if i got rid of magic....well...thatd be pointless since terra learns magic spells naturally while leveling up. There are several solutions to the fireball issue: first, i could rename leo's shock to say "fireball" and then change the graphics and attributes of it, since it is considered a magic spell. That way, mario would be armed with a permanent fireball ability. Again, i wouldnt know where in his list to put it, but that oculd be solved im sure. This also means that the battle between leo and kefka would be much more pathetic without his amazing ability. A second possibility for the fireball is to make a new fireball black magic spell (again) and have terra-mario learn it naturally at a low level. Shed have it for the rest of the game.
I just had a new idea...it might take a little while, but i could completely remake sabin (yes, the ghost would have to go), and replace HIM with mario. That way, he would be able to have MANY different skills (maybe like super mario RPG: jump, fireball, hyper jump, hyper fireball, etc.). Anyways, let me know what u think of these ideas. -------------------- Is PJ |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 17:42
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Hmmm..... I like that one.... why not drop Terra for the ghost then? That way, youg get the best of both!
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Post #50569
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Posted: 5th July 2004 17:54
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Ruby Weapon is actually a neat idea, and it's done pretty well. Mario, however, really just cheapens the whole thing if you ask me. It changes it from a serious FF6 hack to looking more like you just sticking things in there because you can - in my mind, it cheapens the whole product.
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Posted: 5th July 2004 18:02
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I personally don't think Mario included in the hack is a good idea. But if you must have him, then replace a character not as important as Terra. Perhaps Ghestal, or General Leo.
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Posted: 5th July 2004 18:07
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You both have good points, Rangers51 and Phunbaba. Maybe mario shouldnt replace terra, although she should be replaced with somebody in my opinion (shes the only one that uses that palette...thats just calling out "replace me!!!"). Maybe Mario can replace Gogo...that way i dont have the natural magic issue or the "mario interrupting the serious flow of the game" issue. Since Gogo is an optional character, there shouldnt be too much of a problem here. Do you think this would be better?
Also, im thinking of bringing back an old favorite: Edge from FFIV. He would either replace Locke and exchange steal for throw and throw for steal, or replace him with shadow and have conflicting palettes but keeping the original ability distribution. Edge wouldn't be too hard to do, i dont think, plus hes an awesome character. -------------------- Is PJ |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 18:20
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Mario = Gogo? Go for it!! And Edge for Locke.... must... see... must see....Oh, and if you see this, Aora, YOU ARE A GOD. A GOD!
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Posted: 5th July 2004 18:26
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OK ill have to see if theres much conflict between the palettes of mario and strago, relm, kefka, etc. If there are too many out of place colors, i might have to make him fire mario or takooni or hammer suit...ill just have to experiment a little, and ill begin work on edge...ill post a screenshot once he can at least walk.
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Posted: 5th July 2004 18:51
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Pallette conflicts... the bane of a hacker. It shouldnt cause overmuch trouble. Oh, and I have a weapon idea for you, if you can code it...
PALADINS/CURSED SOWRD Before curing- Causes uncurable HP leak, Poison, Doom. After- Each hit causes (50%chance of each) Poison, Slow, Dark, Berserk, Silence, Doom (60 Turns). Drains MP to deal criticals, +3 to all attributes, attck: 145. -------------------- Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau! I'm your friend! Let's travel together! |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 21:17
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Quote (Caesar @ 5th July 2004 13:07) You both have good points, Rangers51 and Phunbaba. Maybe mario shouldnt replace terra, although she should be replaced with somebody in my opinion (shes the only one that uses that palette...thats just calling out "replace me!!!"). Maybe Mario can replace Gogo...that way i dont have the natural magic issue or the "mario interrupting the serious flow of the game" issue. Since Gogo is an optional character, there shouldnt be too much of a problem here. Do you think this would be better? Also, im thinking of bringing back an old favorite: Edge from FFIV. He would either replace Locke and exchange steal for throw and throw for steal, or replace him with shadow and have conflicting palettes but keeping the original ability distribution. Edge wouldn't be too hard to do, i dont think, plus hes an awesome character. actually there are npc's that use terra's sprite color. like Darryl for instance.. change a color for terra you are more than likely chaning a color of Darryl. -------------------- |
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Posted: 5th July 2004 21:28
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And another cool idea would be Ghestal as a playable character, and you find him in the WOR. I have no idea what his special ability would be though.
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Posted: 5th July 2004 22:15
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Hrmmmm........ Gestahl's special.... Magiboost- works like Health, 'cept for MP.
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Posted: 5th July 2004 23:14
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Quote actually there are npc's that use terra's sprite color. like Darryl for instance.. change a color for terra you are more than likely chaning a color of Darryl. Ahhh sorry i didnt check NPC's. I was just looking at the playable sprites. I guess ill have to consider that. As for Gestahl as a playable character, i think this discussion was held in Shinrin's thread: gestahl has no battle graphics, so i would either have to make them or get somebody to make them for me, and im really not up for either one. Id also have to find a character to replace Gestahl... -------------------- Is PJ |
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Posted: 6th July 2004 00:26
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UYeah, I s'pose your right. Gestahl sux.
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Posted: 6th July 2004 00:47
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Well...since a majority of the posts on this thread say no to mario (and others who havent posted said he wouldnt fit as well), ive decided to drop the idea altogether...at least in this hack. Maybe in a later one ill make mario, but not this time. I have, however, decided to make locke into edge from FFIV. The palette is not exactly the same, but workable. I had to change a few colors, but nothing major (the soldier now has a darker brown color, as does the merchant). There are two screenshots below: one menu picture and one map graphic. I think itll work out fine. (Btw, im going to change the equipment so locke, soon to be edge, can equip only katanas, and cyan, who is cecil already, can equip swords and dirks, etc....what locke normally can equip).
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Posted: 6th July 2004 01:15
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Kickin'. Oh, I have an interesting idea... why not do a graphic swap for Setzer? I'm thinking, since this is, in a way, a 'parrallell universe' hack, you could drop him for Darryl! I think that a pallette-swapped pic of either FFV's Faris or FFV's Lenna would work.
And, a character idea- drop Shadow, and replace him with Black Mage, from 8-Bit Theater! You could drop 'Throw' for 'Hadouken'- the Ice Beam graphic'd work GREAT for it. And, you wont have to change the pallette much, if at all! -------------------- Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau! I'm your friend! Let's travel together! |
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Posted: 6th July 2004 01:32
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I doubt id make black mage, since that is a very common idea among hacks ive seen. Final Fantasy III:The Eternal Crystals has black mage in it, as well as white mage i think. I dont know about daryll either...theres something i like about FFIV. I was thinking of adding golbez as a character, but who to replace...? I was also thinking of FuSoYa the lunarian, since hes an amazing character. Two mages...i could easily fit them in somewhere. Golbez would probably use the same palette as Cecil and shadow and setzer. To be perfectly honest, i really only included edge and cecil (and the penguin too, i suppose) since theyre some of my favorite characters from any final fantasy game. Gilgamesh was another, but like i said before, there were difficulties with his palette. Since i already have 2 FFIV characters, i could just begin to gradually add one more FFIV character in at a time. The colors shouldnt be too bad (i only used like 8 or 9 colors for edge i think...for cecil i used his entire palette from FFIV and then changed the characters who shared his palette based on what changed. So, Setzer has a blue tint in his hair, and shadow is composed of several different shades of dark blue). None of this is final, im just typing what comes to mind as i think about the topic more.
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Posted: 6th July 2004 01:53
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Well, if you dont add Black Mage, how about Fighter? He wouldnt be hard to do, and he would make for great conversations...
Cyan- "How can we defeat Kefka? Fighter- "WIth swordchucks!" Cyan- "I was thinking more along the lines of something intelligent... Fighter- "I like swords..." You could even modify a piece of equipment into Swordchucks! Have them work kinda like that sword that drains magic for criticals, 'cept have it drain HP instead, as Swordchucks are hard to use. ![]() FuSoYa... now THAT would be great. But who to replace... if you havent dropped Strago, he'd be good. ... If you are planning on changing espers too, I have some ideas. ZEROMUS- Replaces Ragnarok, hits all opponents for 9999 damage, and activates the Incurable HP Leak. However, it removes the caster and 2 random characters from the battle, leaving just ONE slot- and no refilling the blanked ones mid-battle. EX-DEATH- Replaces Odin. Causes Instant Death effect still though. NEO-EXDEAT- Replaces Raiden, keeps the effect. Twingods- summons two Alexander's on opposite sides of the screen, the one on the left mirrored. Both fire the lasers simultaneously, hitting 8 times (I think theres an effect for that?) for ~2k damage. Replaces ALexander. -------------------- Uwao. aooh! I'm Gau! I'm your friend! Let's travel together! |
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