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In my opinion, I think it would not matter if Final Fantasty (series) had codes, I think (if there were codes) FFV would be the only FF theat would need, codes (Inf. Health and Gil), but then the game would go from Ungodly Hard to really easy. So it doesn't matter to me.

They would be worse in my opinion. Games like these are made to be difficult, and challenging. If you were to change that, it would be a story book rather than a game. If you want a game with cheats, go get yourself Tony Hawk Pro Skater or Grand Theft Auto. Those games are ment to be cheated (And stupid, for that matter.).

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Actualy, I really don't cheat in games, I do sometimes in Starcraft but, I do agree on how it would be worse if their were cheats in the game, but I think the only form of cheats in Final Fantasy are with the gameshark.

If you want cheats, buy a gameshark. Why would it be necessary to include them in the game itself?

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Cheats are unnecessary in all gaming situations. I don't care if you can't win or if you "aren't good enough", just play the game until your fingers are raw and get over it. For example: The legendary weapons in FFX, which are extremely hard to get, would be stupid if you just clicked in a code and BAM you have all the weapons in front of you.

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If you're willing to put in the time leveling up and acquiring the right weapons/armor/skills/etc. then there's no need to cheat in the FF series.


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I don't cheat but personally I wouln't care if they put them in the game... if someone else wants to be a wuss and cheat then let them... In the end I'll be the one that can say I did it all the old fashion way. The only time I ever used cheats was on FF VII and that's after I beat it 50 times and was bored with all the games I had, needless to say, I was just screwing around. I mean it is kind of funny to kill the first enemy in the game with Knights of Round.

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Cheating sux!
(Guess what I voted)

The fun of a game is gone the instant you cheat. I mean, whats the point?

This post has been edited by Muggle_Master on 25th June 2004 02:37

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No.

Final Fantasy games and other RPG's are different than in other games that I might not mind using some cheats here and there. In GTA: Vice City, I'll use cheats to just go on a quick rampage and steal a tank, whatever. But in Final Fantasy games, the only way you could really use them is to beat a really hard boss or something. But the point is, in order to get better or beat some boss, it just takes time. Go level up, experiment with equipment a little, and you'll be fine. There would be no need to include cheats like that in an RPG. If you really want to blow by WEAPON or "G3T 53ph1R0th 0n Y0uR T34m!!11" then like Rangers said, just get a gameshark.

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I voted "no". Having cheats available discourages people from actually trying to beat the game. Cheats do have a place though in video games though. They can add fun to a game, especially in games like perfect dark where the cheats can add more versitality to multiplayer. They can also be valuable tools, such as in warcraft 3 for instance where one might want to quickly setup a map situation to test something about the game mechanics.

Neither of these really apply to RPG games.

First off, I don't think cheats are necesary, as alot of current games are easy enough (have enough customizeability, or are so generic) that cheats are hardly "necesary" to get through a tough boss or obtain secrets and stuff.

Now, I state opinions and perform rantage:

Things like level up cheats and stuff are good for if you want to play through the game just for the sake of the story, or if you really don't have much time to play games, but you really, really want to get through the game to the end. RPG's (especially nowadays) often require you to sacrifice a good amount of time just to make any headway in them. You have to spend an afternoon playing just to really get anywhere in the game and actually progress some of the plot. Otherwise, playing a little bit of an RPG over a span of several weeks makes me less inclined to beat it; it'd be like trying to read a Stephen King novel by only reading ten pages a day. It just takes to long and you lose interest.

When I first started getting into RPGs, I absolutely hated Final Fantasy; it had all the things I loathed in the genre. Random battles, tedious leveling up, hours wasted because you keep trying to tackle a dungeon and end up getting killed before you can save again, etc. I cheated for the first couple FF's I tried, discovered I actually did really like the story, in part because there was absolutely no stress involved. I didn't have to waste hours trying to level up and redo fights and waste money and screw up fights and get too frustrated to enjoy the game. Without the stress of that, I discovered there was actually so much to do in the game already, and spending hours leveling up and redoing things would have just over extended that length. I cheated playing FF7, and it took me a solid week to beat it (I had to work, too, though). Same with FF8. Did I enjoy the games any less? Hardly. In fact, I probably would have enjoyed it a lot less if I hadn't cheated. I mean, sure, "its all just a matter of time" before you can ebat the game, but by damn, I've gotten this far into the game, I want to see the ending for all the effort I've already put in. I would rather play and enjoy a game for twenty hours of play and storyline while I am still into the thrill of the game, than spend fifty+ hours dutifully slogging through the game, not because I'm still into it, but because I feel obligated to beat it since I put so much time in already.


I can honestly say that without cheats to act as my "training wheels", I don't think I would have gotten into Final Fantasy, or hell, RPGs in general for a long, long time, if ever.

Nowadays, though, having been an avid fan of RPGs for some years now, I don't cheat nearly as much. This is not only do to the fact that I have come to tolerate the once interable and of course, I know the general strategies that apply to all RPGs right off the bat.

Still, its not bad too have cheats for when I want to replay a game and zip through the parts that I didn't like. But, also, alot of the current games are easier than the older ones, in my opinion. There are just so many ways to work the system, so many complexities in the game structure, cheats are almost pointless. Therefore, I don't think cheats are necesary in current RPG games at all.

And like Ranger said, if you still really need a cheat, get a gameshark. Get a cheap one. Borrow from a friend who has one, or have you and a couple of your buddies each pitch in 5 or 10 dollars for a utility you can all share.

Or if you do like spending hour upon hour upon hour playing the same game, more power to you. Don't use cheats. But there's no reason to call all people who use cheats wusses, just because you think of them as lesser gamers. Games are supposed to be fun, not frustrating. Some people can't spend a ton of their free time playing video games, even if they used to be able to. They may only get ten hours a week to spare playing a game. I don't think they all want to spend two months trying to beat the latest "over 70 hours of gameplay!" game. Does this mean they should never play another RPG again? No. They could cheat so they could get through the game faster and get their enjoyment out of it without the nagging feeling of "oh, I'm never gunna beat this game".

Or hey, mabye they are a wuss who likes everything to be easy. If that's how they enjoy the games, if anything more than a mediocree challenge just sends them into fits of frustration, but they still want to enjoy Final Fantasy 10 in all its glory, well, fine, let 'em cheat and enjoy. Its yet another fan and another buck for Square-Enix (and the Gameshark), which otherwise would never have been spent. I suppose you could take grim satisfaction from the fact that they gotta spend more money to make it better for them, but hey, that's business for ya. Again, games are meant to be fun. Play them however you like.

Hope I've made my point.

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Or hey, mabye they are a wuss who likes everything to be easy. If that's how they enjoy the games, if anything more than a mediocree challenge just sends them into fits of frustration, but they still want to enjoy Final Fantasy 10 in all its glory, well, fine, let 'em cheat and enjoy. Its yet another fan and another buck for Square-Enix (and the Gameshark), which otherwise would never have been spent. I suppose you could take grim satisfaction from the fact that they gotta spend more money to make it better for them, but hey, that's business for ya. Again, games are meant to be fun. Play them however you like.

Hope I've made my point.

I love this point. I've never cheated on an FF game my first time through, but in subsequent playthroughs I often do. That's the way I play. If someone else wants to play it differently and enjoys playing it that way, I have absolutely zero right to judge them for doing so. And neither does anyone else. This elitism about "cheating is for losers and stupid people" has to stop.

Nice post, sharkerbob.

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I prefer to play through the game thoroughly (and beat it) with no cheats. However, when I replay a game, I like to use cheats, because it saves me the time of working up levels, etc. Plus, it’s kind of fun to play like a god the second time around.

I don’t think that the cheats should be included within the game, though. (However, veteran players may notice a few aspects of the game of which they can take advantage, like the Vanish + Doom combo in FF6.)

This post has been edited by Magicite on 25th June 2004 20:18

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ugh, i HATE Cheating. (well in games) It's pointless if you can just start from the begginning, 5 secs later, be at maximun level cash strenght etc etc... I mean, it's fun to play thru the whole game, not just cheat and then play. its pointless i say, ITS POINTLESS!! haha j/k, but i voted "Cheating Sucks"

It's not like you'd have to use them just because they were there.

I dunno. I'm happy with the level of cheating a game shark allows. I don't cheat on my first time through a game, but sometimes I want to replay it for the story, and not have to level. *shrug* I don't think it's really necessary, but I don't think it would make anything worse.

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i think this should be the type of cheats that are only unlocked after you complete the game and have done certain things. that way, you wouldn't be missing out on any of the challenge and you have your cheats.

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I guess I'm not the one to cheat to see how a game ends or to enjoy the story. Frankly I think that these new monster final fantasy's that take forever to beat have worse stories. I play games for the challenege, and when I can't finish a game it's usually because it got too easy and not too hard.

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It's not like you'd have to use them just because they were there.

Well there would no basis for a poll if we were considering that. The question asked would FF be better with cheats, not would FF be worse without cheats. For me at least, FF wouldn't be any better with built in cheats.

I prefer not to cheat at anygames. In fact it tweaks me when folks cheat at Vice City. I praise Rockstar for the way they designed "ManHunt". Anyone who needs to cheat at a final fantasy doesn't deserve to be allowed in the presence of the games. Note i said need there. For example the Weapon duplicating trick in FF4 is cheap, but for ease of play in a second go through, i can understand where it would be useful. beat the game on your own the first time through. You will feel alot better about your experiance. You also take alot more away from the game.



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Some FFs did have cheats. Item duping, for the most part. But people just like to call them glitches to avoid feeling bad about using them.

I'm with R51 on this one. I don't use them on first play-through, but on subsequent ones I might, but even then it would be to get something too difficult or impossible to get on normal playthroughs, or just to play around. I usually don't, though, they decrease the fun value significantly, especially with games that aren't that challenging to begin with.
With my going through the FFIV stats, it would be alot more difficult had Game Genie never been made.

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Push-button cheats would ruin any RPG. Even if they were offered, they should be saved up for a follow-up game. I say get used to the difficulty the game has to offer and, when you cheat, take notice of amount alleviated when you make yourself invincible. =/

GTA3 is fun even if you cheat. The missions are hard either way most of the time.

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I don't care if they put cheat codes on the game, but cheating sucks...
It ruins the whole game...
and anyway...I'll feel like a dumb antagonist...
but I don't care if you cheat...not my decision

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i say it would ruin the game, mainly since the whole aspect of ff rpgs
is that you're a group of underdogs, who get stronger through their adventures, and save the world in the end
what would be fun about making every character have maxed out stats for instance, it would take away the character's uniqueness, in the game(i.e. FF7 cid's stats make him a great fighter, while aeris' stats make her a great magic user)

and a cheat were you could reveive aeris would ruin the storyline,
it would be awsome if it existed, but i think, that aspect of FF7 is what made it such a great game

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FF games are not difficult enough to require cheating. Besides that takes the fun and challenge out of the game. If you want to cheat just use a player guide or a walkthrough. Its ok to use one if you are completely stumped but to use it throughout the whole game is pointless

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Cheating sucks it makes the game boring...

I take advantage of most of the "glitches" or whatever you want to call them, but the only time I shark FF is for Tactics to get the classes that I can't normally acquire to see what it's like.

Infinite Job Points can be a godsend for FFTactics, on your umpteenth time through the game. ~_^

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I don't like to cheat. The feeling of accomplishment means a whole lot more to me. If it's an unlockable option (perfect balance option in tony hawk games) I'll use it because i had to work to unlock it and i feel it is earned and a privilege. As far as push button cheats. The only time i used one of those almost religiously was in super street fighter 2 so that my brothers and i wouldn't fight over who got chun li. As far as RPG's some item duping can take a bit of stress off but there is a time when it's just no fun. Last time i played through ff6 I had only one character who was maxed out. Terra (who couldn't morph due to glitching) was a huge character who had two atma weapons on doing 9999 each. It took all the fun out of the game. I ended up quickly rounding up my group and heading off to kefka's tower where i whipped the floor with the would be "angel". It ended up sucking and i just wanted to finish the game (cause i couldn't leave the game in the middle and there was no way i was going to replay all the way through).

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The way I see it is cheating is a compensation for the crappy parts of a game. I only cheat on a game when it's a crappy game or if somehtign is so hard for me that I could play flawlessy recite every strategy I've ever read for that part of the gaem and still not be able to beat it. There's no doubt that cheating can easily make the game more enjoyable by allowing you to own everything in the game