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I just kind of thought about the true villans in the Final Fantasy game series, and wonder if maybe there should have been a true female bad 'guy'. Or in future games will there ever be one? It doesn't really matter to me, but I wonder what others thought about a female villan. I mean most games it's a crazy male or kind of like Sin. A creature who likes to destroy things.

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"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper."

Id vote yes, cause it seems that (maybe wi8th the exception of 8 i havent beaten it) all the FF games had Female MAIN villains. I think there should be some games with female villians, why should it always fall to a guy to be the ultimate evil? Hell, if it's not always a guy it's a Demon or something but u never see any female villains as the final boss. So yeah, id like to see a few square games with female villians that arent minor characters. (People who die/redeem themselves after 1 or 2 fights)

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Link: "What is it?"
Mario: "It's coin, what the hell does it look like?"
Link: "Well.... What do you do with it?"
Mario: "You buy lives with them."
Link: ".... Isn't that slavery?"
~Mario/Link crossover comic~

FFI: Chaos (?).
FFII: ?
FFIII: Dark Cloud (neither).
FFIV: Zemus (male).
FFV: Exdeath (male)/NeoExdeath (neither).
FFVI: Kefka (male).
FFVII: Sephiroth (male).
FFVIII: ?
FFIX: ?
FFX: ?
FFX-2: ?
FFXI: ?
SMRPG: Smithy (male).
Pokemon: Gary/[insert name of your GSC rival here] (male) (even if you choose to be a girl in Crystal).

But CT: Zeal (female)/Lavos (neither).

So there's obviously an imbalance, if you ask me. Now you'd have to work it out such that the fact that the villain is female doesn't make the game crappy or anything. Like, please no emphasis on the villain's being female. CT did a great job with Zeal. Of course, you could always turn someone like Zemus or Exdeath into a female (now what would you call them?).

I voted yes, although I'm between that and the "could care less" category. I'd like to see some not-used-much ideas in play.

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Quote (Strife543 @ 16th April 2004 19:09)

(maybe wi8th the exception of 8 i havent beaten it)

Yes, indeed FF8 is the exception with your prime adversary being the Sorceress Ultimecia.

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

I have an expansion on Glenn Magus Harvey's post:

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FF1 - Chaos
FF2 - Emperor
FF3 - Dark Cloud
FF4 - Zeromus
FF5 - Exdeath
FF6 - Kefka
FF7 - Sephiroth
FF8 - (Sorceress chick...)
FF9 - Dark Crystal...thing...
FF10 - Yevon
FF11 - ???? (No final boss?)
FF12 - ????
FFT - (Can't remember her name...)
FFTA - ????
FFMQ - (Don't remember, but probably male)
FFCC - (Can't remember his name...)

So, there's been a couple females

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(8 & Tactics, unless I'm wrong on 8; I've never actually finished it).

More females villains could be nice, but I don't really care that much either way. As long as they keep the games good.

This post has been edited by sbq92 on 17th April 2004 01:37

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 16th April 2004 20:11)

FFIII: Dark Cloud (neither).

Dark Cloud seemed to have femenine features to me.

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Of course, you could always turn someone like Zemus or Exdeath into a female (now what would you call them?).

Zemus and Exdeath were both definitely male.
Zeromus and Neo-ExDeath seemed either genderless or "beyond genders."

I don't think gender of villain or main character or side-kick or villain's pet matters.

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"I had to write four novels before they let me write comic books."
-Brad Meltzer

I could really care less what sex the villain is as long as the idea of them is original and good...I don't think it would be a good idea to make them all male though...it gets old if there aren't any female evils in the story every once in awhile at least.

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FF9's is called Necron, and as far as im concerned, thats the way forward!Kill the Necrontyr again!


Aanyway, proclaiming that more 40k races should be fought agaisnt by FF characters aside, i prefer to fight a great big daemon/stonking great robot than any human(oid).


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"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

I don't really care either. I think it would be cool if the FF series have more females as the main villians because females can just get as pyscho as the male counterpart. So if that does happen lets hope the games can still be good.

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"Ye better start believing in ghost stories; you're in one!" -Captain Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl)

ER tactics didnt have the main viliian as a female, it was more female person being possessed by male spirit

This post has been edited by Angry_Lizard on 17th April 2004 18:47

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i agree there is an imbalance, i mean seriously, where's all the sadistic females that want to take over the world... yes there should be more female main bosses...

and Sbp92 just so you know the main boss of FFMQ is a Spiderish thing it's an 'it'

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I even like female villains better they seem more unpredictable.

This post has been edited by Phunbaba on 19th April 2004 02:59

8 was Ultimecia *shiver* very creepy, but still cool
I voted yes, but then i thought about it and it really doesnt matter to me, though female villains would be a change right?

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Why does it cry?
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Quote (sbq92 @ 16th April 2004 20:35)

FF9 - Dark Crystal...thing...
FF10 - Yevon
FFTA - ????

Actually you are wrong about a few here is what they really are:

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FFIX: Kuja
FFX: Seymour
FFTA: Queen Remedi

That is what they really are.

Sorry to go off topic, but FFX was NOT seymour. It was more sin. Sorry to correct you, though, Gambling cat.

Anyway, I could care less. It just needs to be a cool villian in my opinion. Someone evil like Sephiroth or someone phsyco like Seymour and Kefka. Thats what i'lll always think.

P.S. Does anyone else find seymour phsyco?? He was all "Death is the ultimate privlag, the ultimate gift, all shall die, free from this pain ful life." Just what I think.

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"We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting... fighting was the only thing I was ever good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in." - Frank Yeager (a.k.a. Grey Fox)

Sin and Seymour both had an equal role in the game. Sin just seemed to reoccur more often, but didn't have as great of an impact until the final couple hours. Seymour orchestrated many things in the game with his Maester power, so I'd have to agree with Gambler Cat on that one. He has his Guado fist clenched around all of Spira.

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As for the topic, I'd love to see more female antagonists, but only if they're not cheesy and lovey-dovey like FFX-2's Leblanc. Her speech and actions made my eyes bleed. She started off as a treasure hunter adamant on finding the rarest spheres and midway she turned into a plaything for Nooj, and she didn't get off that schtick.

We need more cold-blooded femmes, like..perhaps..Celia and Lede?

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i disagree with both of you >.< actually, sbq is correct and yevon is the correct final enemy. and the correct final enemy for 9 is NOT kuja but in fact necron, who came out of nowhere to piss off all the real plot-seekers and distract them from healing statuses in time. and dark cloud, like DP said, definitely had "feminine features," i.e. breasts (course, kuja also had feminine features O.o). oh, and Jesus/ajora was also male.

perosnally, i think there have bveen plenty of great female baddies in square games. miang was *evil.* so was zeal. adel and ultimecia were pretty menacing. how bout elena of the turks? and scarlet? lebla...ok, fine, she was a joke i mean, i like it how it is. personally, unless she's done *really* well, i don't think female baddies are as good as male baddies. i mean, i have nothing against girl characters, i love them as heroes, but they just dont always cut it as enemies. by the way...wasnt sephiroth a clone of the *female* jenova?

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jesus/Ajora was also male

Maybe so, but Altima was definately female. Anyhow, I don't have any problem with more female villains. However, all my favorites have been males. There seems to be more of a diversity in character with the males. All the females seem to fit the same power hungry mold, although this could be as a result of their lack of numbers. I don't think we need more females, but a few thrown in keeps it fresh.

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Seymour orchestrated many things in the game with his Maester power, so I'd have to agree with Gambler Cat on that one.

I believe we are going with final bosses. Otherwise it would be Golbez for FF4 and we could argue The Emperor for FF6.

This post has been edited by The Ancient on 20th April 2004 18:56

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I think there should be more female villains in future FF games. They're just pretty cool, and bad guys are getting a tad old.

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Wow. 1,000 posts.

I miss you all now that I'm in boarding school! ;_;

i dont really give a happy cause i just want another game to play... and as long as the final boss is hard

FF9...an old debate is raging through my head. nevermind.

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despite the fact that Kuja is referred to as a male, if you look at him during cinemas, he clearly has breasts. this is not armor, or pecs, they are indeed female breasts and are much more apparent in some of the later cinemas. im sure this entry shall raise nine kinds of hell, but im sorry, he does. ive heard rumor that kuja was orginally planned to be female, but that it was changed. oh well. im not trying to lay this on some solid source, just what my eyes have seen.

bah!!!

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Kuja's a hermaphidite!?! aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

screenshots please

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Here are some links to Kuja pics. But I'm still trying to understand The link thing, so they migt not work.

http://bishounen.info/kuja/kuja03.jpg

http://bishounen.info/kuja/kuja01.jpg

Some of those might be a little blurry.

This post has been edited by FallingHeart on 21st April 2004 00:06

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"We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting... fighting was the only thing I was ever good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in." - Frank Yeager (a.k.a. Grey Fox)

i think no not to be sexist but when the women come in like lablaqe they look so sexy that is hard to pay ation.

Lol changeofheart. We talking about Female 'bad' guys not barely covered females in the video game world. Which isn't right..... Kuja as a female? I must admit he does look kind of like a female but he is male. Or that's how I feel about it.

This post has been edited by Wind-Dancer on 24th April 2004 14:37

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"Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig and then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun."

"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper."

you find that funny. but she had she goons and

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were you had to get the out fits in the i dont remember but they were in a hot tub naked

if other guys were i know it would spiol it for me lol.and it was hard to listen when i was looking for there

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boobs

lol, but you make a good point wind dancer


lets hope i dont get warn for that word

This post has been edited by changeofheart on 24th April 2004 01:48