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Quote (Shivy @ 18th March 2004 00:15)

Anyway, this movie explained one thing to me that had been bugging me for a long time. How did Jesus, the Son of God, die after only 3 hours on the cross, when men would sometimes starve to death in the same fate? I had been thinking our Saviour was a bit of a wimp, which made me feel slightly guilty. But the movie clearly showed just how close he was to death before he was nailed to the cross.

Another interesting point - most Jesus movies portray Him as rather meek, but you have to consider that Christ was a carpenter before He began His ministry, which would cause Him to be pretty strong. Plus, He'd have to be, in order to survive long enough to even make it to the cross.

Quote (The Gambler @ 18th March 2004 19:37)

Well also there is one more thing you need to understand about crusifiction.  They would normaly leave them up on the cross but the way things were the next day was the holy day for them so they couldn't have people dying on your holy day so they impaled them with spears to speed it up.

Actually, they would break their legs. When crucified, the individual would sometimes "stand" so he could breathe, because the weight on their chest and shoulders was a slow process of suffocation. Christ got the spear because when they went to break His legs, they found He was already dead, and just stabbed Him to be sure.

Quote (wheatsac @ 19th March 2004 03:55)

The over brutalization of the story.  Now Mel in a press conference said that he tried to escape hollywood while making this film.  But when you see the film the beating he gets any man would have not survived as long as he did.  And Jesus sas himself he is a man like any of us.

It's actually a downplay of His suffering. As brutal and realistic as the movie was, it still doesn't compare to the actual blood, and the actual screams of pain. It never could.
Christ was beaten beyond human limits, and then crucified. He suffered more than anyone in all of history. That was the point.
As I mentioned earlier, being born to the wife of a carpenter and picking up that physically demanding trade would help prepare His body to take that abuse long enough.

Quote (wheatsac @ 19th March 2004 03:55)

THe other bad thing about the film was the downplay of the role of Mar Magdelene (sorry dont know spelling).  Anyways even if Mary and Jesus never got intimatel involved she was still in the storyline of Jesus's crusifixtion.  If you see the movie and you never knew that Mary was in the story you wouldn't have even noticed she was there.  FYI she was the young girl who was standing next to Mother Mary.  They never adress once in the film its like shes not even there.  Also when Jesus ascends to heaven.  There is only one person he goes to see before he leaves the earth and thats none other then Mary.

The movie wasn't about what He did, where He went, or even what He said. The movie was about how He suffered. Mary Magdeline witnessed it. Not much of a way to downplay that, without leaving her out completely.
The movie ended just with Christ's ressurection and Him walking out of the cave.
Mary Magdeline was the only one Christ saw after His ressurection, but before He ascended into heaven? Funny, I remember a part where Thomas approached Him, and stuck his fingers through the holes in Christ's hands to be sure it was Him.

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I didn't say Mary Magdelene was the only one who saw him after his ascention thing. But she was the only one he looked for. And I know it was trying to show the pain he suffered. But put the most tough guy in the world and put him in that beating and make him walk as for as christ did before he finally could carry it no longer and still walk. I am sorry but Jesus says himself I am just a man. And the beating he got I just dont believe that even though he was carpenter he would have survived. The amount of blood he lost, skin, flesh, and everything else torn from his body just doesnt make sense. I know the story is not about Mary Magdelgne but still having somebody hovering in the background by Mother Mary and never have her be addressed by anybody. Except the excerpt of her stoning.

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aint superstitious Black cat crossed my trail
I aint superstitious But a Black cat crossed my trail
But Lord has got me so far and I wont let her stop me now
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
And that aint all
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
UMmHMm
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Quote (wheatsac @ 22nd March 2004 16:21)

I didn't say Mary Magdelene was the only one who saw him after his ascention thing. But she was the only one he looked for. And I know it was trying to show the pain he suffered. But put the most tough guy in the world and put him in that beating and make him walk as for as christ did before he finally could carry it no longer and still walk. I am sorry but Jesus says himself I am just a man. And the beating he got I just dont believe that even though he was carpenter he would have survived. The amount of blood he lost, skin, flesh, and everything else torn from his body just doesnt make sense. I know the story is not about Mary Magdelgne but still having somebody hovering in the background by Mother Mary and never have her be addressed by anybody. Except the excerpt of her stoning.

so, wheatsac, do you get your information from the Bible, or from popular culture? as far as i am concerned (and i get my information from the Source), Jesus did not only go to look for mary magdelene. in fact, that's not even close and there is not even anything that would allude to that. most famously, Jesus went to see his disciples before he ascended into heaven (here we had the whole "doubting thomas" affair). furthermore, when does Jesus say, "I am just a man?" it is true that Jesus was a human, but more than that he was the Son of God and God Himself. please stop trivialising the Christ.

Quote (wheatsac @ 22nd March 2004 16:21)

And I know it was trying to show the pain he suffered. But put the most tough guy in the world and put him in that beating and make him walk as for as christ did before he finally could carry it no longer and still walk. I am sorry but Jesus says himself I am just a man. And the beating he got I just dont believe that even though he was carpenter he would have survived. The amount of blood he lost, skin, flesh, and everything else torn from his body just doesnt make sense.

That's the whole point. Who else could have gone through that, and suffered that much, other than the Son of God? I also don't know of any quote where Jesus says "I am just a man." He says things like "That is what you call me," when being asked about being the Messiah etc, leading you to believe that he is not any more than what people make him out to be. That's the closest thing I can get out of that.

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I know the story is not about Mary Magdelgne but still having somebody hovering in the background by Mother Mary and never have her be addressed by anybody.  Except the excerpt of her stoning.

Maybe it was someone else, but wasn't that Mary Magdelene with Mary when they were sopping up the blood after Christ's flogging, and wasn't there a whole scene that she was remembering when she was on her knees in the dirt and Christ had just arrived in town?




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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

Arghhhhhh I have to do stuff tonight but I have been challenged to prove Mary was the first to see Jesus. But obviously its not much for me to prove it becuase I had fogoten the many different versions of the bible and how much different views look at Jesus's life. You know Pauls book, mathews book, marks book all about jesus and their encounters. But anways if you go to Johns book in chapter 20 verse 11-18 will tell you Mary Magdelen was the first person to see Jesus. But in Luke chapter 24 verese 15 (around there) it says that the apostles were the first to see Jesus. ANd that both in the King James version. Sooooo you know were both right. Look at those and you'll see I'm not lying. Don't make me look for the part where he says hes just a man and for all I know its only in one of the books and no the others. I haven't read the bible in sometime.
Oh and I said that Mary Magdelen was by Mother Mary so yes she was mopping the blood up and I also that it showed the stoning part to where Jesus forgives her of her sins. But none of the apostles ever say her name neither does Mother Mary. Maybe they didn't want people to get confused. But that isn't a good reason.
Now if were going by what history says is true then she never was a prostitute. But I dont have direct evidence to that and who knows which is true. It's just a little point about how we never know anything for sure for even the bible (contradicts itself in some ways) has different versions of itself.

This post has been edited by wheatsac on 24th March 2004 05:41

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aint superstitious Black cat crossed my trail
I aint superstitious But a Black cat crossed my trail
But Lord has got me so far and I wont let her stop me now
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
And that aint all
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
UMmHMm
This is a mean old world to live in and I cant face it by myself

first of all, no, we are not both right, because i never said mary magdalene was not the FIRST to see Jesus. YOU said that she was the "ONLY one he looked for" before the ascension, which is ridiculous and anyway you have proven yourserlf wrong without my help even.

second of all, no, the Bible does not contradict itself. the beatles contradict themselves. they are imperfect. the Bible is perfect. it does not tell you that you should try drugs and then later say you should not. i'm sorry you were misled by people's need to take everything out of context to try to disillusion people about the Bible, but your ignorance has no place in a discussion thereof.

Golly, a thread that is related to religion that has resulted in an argument. I'm shocked.

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