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yeo! I need some help with the one on one battle with Wiegraf!
when I gave Ramza move-HP-up and Auto-potion learned, Wiegraf kept using Lighting stab instead of his normal weapon.
is there a way to beat this guy?

Sure there is. I usually do it one of three ways:

1) Break his weapon.

b] He doesn't have Maintenance in this battle, luckily, so give it a shot. He does have Counter though, so you'll probably get damaged either way. Once his sword is gone, he'll do considerably less damage and he can't use any Holy Sword skills.

2)Short Charge + Magic

If Weigraf comes to attack you, he'll do it from the top of the staircase, letting you blast him easily with some high-leveled magic. Remember to position your mages in back, for safety's sake, even though with the available placing for your mages lets any three people get hit by Weigraf.

Beating Weigraf ends the battle, but you still have to worry about the archers, knights, and wizards that will attack your crippled people. Try to keep them away from the top of the staircase, if possible, since all of the generic enemies can have a go at hitting you from there.

3)Spear him

Spears can do quite a lot of damage if your character is boosted (Equip Spear coupled with phys. classes) and, as an added bonus, Weigraf can't Counter you. If you come into the battle with five Lancers, you'll probably walk away with five lancers.

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You can also bum rush him if you want, and that can usually work too. Combinations and variety, you know.

This post has been edited by Shotgunnova on 29th February 2004 03:57

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I found it best to be a monk in my fight with Wiegraf. Learn autopotion, train like a mofo, and be a monk with armor. Yup.

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I ran across something interesting the last time I faced him. I was a monk and I had earth slash and chakra. If you move to the back row directly behind the torchs with your first move. He will choose to stand behind the torch and hit you with earth slash. You can hit him back your next turn and then move directly in front of the other torch. He will do the same thing on that side. Continue back and forth hitting him with earth slash and using chakra when need be. I was able to finish weifgraf with full health by paying attention to when I got double turns. Hope this helps.

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the best way to kill him is to be a knight, lancer, or anything strong close combat/monk skills. Then equip i think chameleon rob or something that absorbs holy and feather boots now he cant do lighting stab or earth slash which leaves him with only one attack and if you get hurt just chakra yourself. no wait i remeber now i was a monk/squire skills, and what you do you keep accumalating and yelling so that you are way faster and stronger than him. as long as you have those 2 items on it should be way esier since he cant do lighting stab. i also had two weapons so that my monk hits with both hand for almost 100 pluz and after acuumulating even more. and make sure you are high en0ough level this i sthe toughest battle in the game for me but i havent been to the bottom of DD so we will see...

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"Isn't ramza a girls name?" -me

i havent changed my avatar or anything in a long time! time for a change yall!

Hey, I learned that if you get the "Chameleon Robe", It will cancel out the Holy attacks, leaving him with only a regular attack, Earth Slash, and Wave Fist to spare. And if you have a spear, your a lucky fellow, because you don't have to worry about counter. Also, I like to equip everyone with Auto-Potion and set it to X-Potion (by getting rid of all of the Potions and hi-Potions, leaving only X-Potions). Recomended classes include...

Agrias: All Holy Skills Learned, plus, try to get the Life Drain from the Oracle Class

Mustadio: Leg Arm is the only thing that works on Velius here

A Knight Or Lancer: Velius takes a while to charge his Clops summon (and somtimes he uses Titan), so getting a few jumps in should be easy.

A Wizard: This is where I have the most fun with Velius. Have a really good wizard that has learned Flare (and Magic AttackUp is preffered as well) burn Velius to a crisp (luckly, this only works for one square) at least once, doing dammage of at least 200HP.

Lastly, Clops is a very, very, very, very, (ect.) STRANGE and DEADLY summon, so use Agrias' Lightning Stab as frequently as possible until he is silenced, then, you can have Mustadio use his Leg Aim to keep him in one spot. Remember to use Life Drain by anyone else too, becuase Life Drain has a dramatic effect on all Holy Stone Monsters. If you do all of this, Weigraf should be seeing the Devil a lot sooner than he planed. GL!:)

This post has been edited by w7jkt on 1st March 2004 04:23

The Chameleon Robe wouldn't do anything; Weigraf's sword skills aren't elemental. On my first level, I tried Rubber Shoes too

If you have Agrias with a Rune Blade or, perhaps if you've been breeding monsters, a Defender, you can kill Archaic Demons with a single hit. Velius can be silenced also, but then he'll use his status effect attacks that never miss. Immediate confusion, petrify or slow at a range of up to four. Yah, I'd rather go with Clops, oddly enough. Silencing him while he's summoning is a good idea though.

I beat Weigraf by using a Two Swords combination with Charge +5, which only took one turn--a lucky break.

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THE MOST USED WAY TO BEAT HIM
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Run aroun and use Yell and Accumulate repeatedly until you get ten or so turns before he does. He'll go down quick in each form.

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sup. try switching over to a squire then going with 2x sword ablilty and attack up. u have extea life from heavey armour. u will kill him in 1 or 2 hits. know either x-potion or exlier. or just use a ninja with attack up-auto potion.

The nice thing about the way I listed is there is no randomness. As long as you have a speed >= weifgraf's and your chakra heals more than his earth slash damages you, you will always beat his first form. I also misspoke on my first post. I was a ninja with punch art secondary. The two swords are nice for wailing on the big goat. :-)

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one question, where can I get the chameleon Robe?

Chameleon Robe is simply buyable from a certain point of the game. I think it's somewhere around the first time you reach Lesalia.

The set-up I use for his first form is a combination of:

Defense Up (brings Lightning Stab down to 80 damage)
Charge (goes surprisingly fast, even at +5)
Guts (Yell, Accumulate)
Move-Hp UP (Auto-healing)
Rune Blade x 2 (if applicable; Get them from knights in Araguay, Bariaus Valley)

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well, I've gotten the Chameleon Robe and Wiegraf only used his punch art attacks instead of his lighting strike. that's good enough for me.

I saw it mentioned above, but this method really does work...it will not only finish off Wiegraf super easy, but it will defeat Velius before he can even attack with JUST Ramza...

Make sure you are equipped with boots that boost your movement range...it helps a lot. Also, it doesn't hurt to make sure Ramza has a way to heal himself (mine had white magic as a secondary). When the fight starts, spend your first few turns running away from Weigraf. If you have Germinas boots on, it's pretty easy to outrange his attacks. Once you are out of range, start doing "Yell" every turn you get. You'll notice that after a dozen or so times (maybe less...I forget) you'll start getting two turns to every one of his, and if you keep doing this long enough, you can easily get 5 to 6 turns for each one of his (it takes a bit, but it's worth it if you want a sure win). Once you're getting 4 or 5 turns to each one of his (you REALLY don't need 5 or 6), start doing "accumulate" over and over. I overdid this myself...I was getting 5 or 6 turns for each of his after I'd yelled for a while, and was accumulating each turn, so it added up really quick.

Once you've done all of this, move in for the kill. It helps if you've learned the "two sword" ability, since Weigraf can occasionally block your attacks, but it's not necessary. Anyway, when you've accumulated/yelled to your heart's content, go attack him, and one hit will do him in. After this, he'll turn into Velius. Uh oh, right? Wrong. Just walk up to him and hit him once or twice, and he's gone. You'll actually get to do your 5 or 6 turns before he gets a turn at all, so even if for some odd reason your first attempt fails, there's nothing to worry about. Works every time!

The only down side to this method is that Ramza will level up several times in the process, and when you go back to the world map after this chapter ends, the random monsters will be closer to Ramza's level than the rest of your party, so the random battles will be pretty tough. It's worth it, though, to beat Wiegraf!

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Very Nice, Majik Monki (SP). I've never tried that. I think that you should go with Concentrate also, just in case. Very good idea.

That is helpful for ensuring your hits are more accurate. If it helps give you peace of mind, then by all means, use it. I can't remember...does that fill the same slot as "two swords"? If so, it's really a personal decision which one you use. The method should work very well for your either way. Best of luck! (you really won't need luck!)

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You know me, you just wish you didn't...

"Uwee hee hee! Don't tease the octopus, kids!" -Ultros-

"Don't let the smooth taste fool you..."