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Well... I live with a vegitarian. My sister has been all "i dont like meat" for over a year. I still dont remember sometimes. Yesterday i stole food from work and i was all like"want a Chicken Finger?' "I DONT EAT MEAT" So as i was running away in Ph34r I thought About this post.Anyhow i dont agree with the whole thing. it seems unnatural. Id go into it but red Letters about the name MogMaster arent very attractive But Yeah I enjoy my fat clogging grease burgers. In fact i wish Mc Donalds still cooked its junk in animal fat.

This post has been edited by MogMaster on 25th February 2004 01:11

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Well I think fish are meant to be eaten but that's because I go by the Bible. On that note I'm not even sure what the Bible says about the consumption of meat (perhaps goz can help me out on this one). But at any rate refusing to eat meat ain't gonna stop animals from being killed. It's one of those things where everyone would have to do it (not eat meat in this case) in order to make a difference. Even then you're still never going to personally see the difference. Animals will be killed for population control anyway, and critters still get killed by running out in front of cars. Until the day we live in a perfect world this stuff is gonna happen and there's no way to stop it. Therefore I don't see the point in worrying about it. But for those of you who enjoy being vegetarians, I'm happy for ya. My parents were vegetarian for a while when I was a kid and my mom would cook up some fantastic meatless dinners. Personally I'm a big fan of beans.

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Nyao. What to say...
Well, since I was little I've never really liked eating meat much. I found fruits and veggies more appetizing to me to begin with.
To be honest, after watching some nasty horrible videos at the PETA website, it made me not want to eat at all, nevermind animals. (By the way, I hate the way Peta goes about advertising, because they post such scarring things that I can't even get half of them out of my head now)
Anyway, I'd go vegetarian if I could, but I know my parents would shoot me down. I would be harrassed at home, and I know it. However, I know I couldn't be vegan, because it sounds horrible, but I seriously doubt I could live without milk.. It's one of my favorite beverages... And cheese.. XP I'm a cheese freak.
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Edit: After reading i90's post...
It might not make it so that the violence to the animals has stopped, but the vegetarian may very well feel better because they aren't contributing to it by purchasing it. It's a personal moral thing I think.

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On that note I'm not even sure what the Bible says about the consumption of meat.

"Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for the Earth is the Lord's, and everything in it." - 1 Corinthians 10:25-26

From a Biblical standpoint, all animals were put on the Earth for the betterment of Man, whether through eating or companionship. I like to think that most are for eating, though.

I also have a disease (I wouldn't call it a disease, but I can't think of what else to call it) that doesn't allow my body to process vegetables and most fruits. As a result, I'm sort of an inverse vegetarian, and I have a lot of respect for people who do adhere to a strict vegetarian diet. It's hard to live your life in constant inspection of foods put before you.

Oy. Restriction of speech nesscary. How do i put this lightly. Well.. PETA makes me wonder... about_________(fill me in). Anyhow. My friend got this cool t shirt that made me laugh. It said: PETA-People for the eating of tastiy animals. Even he as a hardcore christian fails to see the reason not to eat meat. He has read the bible back to front several times and is a firm believer that the sanctity of life only applies to humans. I Disagree to the poin that no creature is above cruelty but. Nevermind that. Keep in Mind that, yeah These industies have, and will continue to be "inhumane" to Animals. But Inhumane- Root word Human. They arent humans. So to treat animals as such is odd. Regardless think about how our economy relies on beef chickens ect. Agriculture is big industry. Sure farmers could grow grain at With the land not used by livestock but prices would drop. Grain doesn;t sell for as high as beef. Nor is it as nourishing. Vegetarianism is Built on an idea of helping animals, but the fact is guilt is nontransferable. You still ate all that meat growing up. And Everyone reading this has a computer. So shouldnt you technically feel guilty about There being people less well off than you in the world? The only way to truley relinquish all guilt is straight buddhism. But sorry for the off topic ranting.

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Okay, guys, can we please step away from some topics here? Trying to decide whether vegetarianism is ultimately right, if it's the way to go for everyone, and adding in what the bible thinks, will just lead to arguments.

As I said before, I know that a lot of people prefer meat. This is not something new. If all you have to say is "yeah, I like my meat, and I want more of it, I couldn't be a vegetarian" then please, do not post.

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Some friendly information, in case it hasnt been brought up yet:

During grain harvesting, a huge number of critters that live in the field are killed brutally by mechanized farming equipment all across the country. This is a proven fact and I'd be happy to provide links to my source, and here it is!

http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

Vegetarianism is truthfully bizzare. Theres a food chain, an order to all that lives. Look at whales. The giant SOBs inhale krill and shrimp like nothing. Are they murderers? Hell no, they are eating other animals to live. If a cat kills a bird or a mouse and eats it, is it a murdering beast slaughtering a defenseless little animal? No, they are hunters killing an animal to eat, and live.

And so it is with people. Granted, some people kill animals just for fun, and thats not only wasteful its sick. But if your a legitimate hunter who shoots a deer and then eats venison for dinner that night, no, your not a murderer. Your an animal killing another animal and eating it so you and your family can survive.

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Quote (The Raging Newbie @ 25th February 2004 01:15)

Vegetarianism is truthfully bizzare. Theres a food chain, an order to all that lives. Look at whales. The giant SOBs inhale krill and shrimp like nothing. Are they murderers? Hell no, they are eating other animals to live. If a cat kills a bird or a mouse and eats it, is it a murdering beast slaughtering a defenseless little animal? No, they are hunters killing an animal to eat, and live.

And so it is with people. Granted, some people kill animals just for fun, and thats not only wasteful its sick. But if your a legitimate hunter who shoots a deer and then eats venison for dinner that night, no, your not a murderer. Your an animal killing another animal and eating it so you and your family can survive.

Did you read the entire thread? Elena says she is perfectly fine with hunters. It is the commercial meat industry and its practices that she has problems with.

While not a vegetarian myself, I can see and understand the distincition she is making.

This post has been edited by SSJ_Cloud on 25th February 2004 06:51

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I'm an on and off vegetarian. I can go from only dairy products and vegetables to "meat, please" in a given year. It's just that sometimes meat doesn't appeal to me, and I go veggie. I don't do it to save animals or anything like that, I just do it because my body starts only wanting non meat things.

Currently, I'm starting to go towards vegetarianism again, only eating chicken and turkey (in the meat department). Probably by late spring, I'll be on full vegetarian swing. Do I know why I do this? No.

I have absolutely no problem with people killing animals, as long as it's a humane way they're killed (and they're killed for food, not just for the fur or antlers). My own family in the past had to kill for food. My maternal grandfathed used to hunt deer to feed his family because they were poor. That was out of necessity, not for sport or anything like that.

I think that's a problem with today's society. People don't respect where food comes from anymore. Since people the majority of the time don't actually see their food when it's being grown and raised, they tend not to think of it as once being living. It's just package/container/can of an animal product. People who work out on the farm, or grew up on one tend to realize what really goes on in the raising of animals for food. We all can sit back and think "yeah, this steak was once a cow" but it doesn't hit home till you're in the situation that you have to raise your own food. I've never personally have had to do this for my food supply (animal products) but being around here in the rural areas and visiting family makes you more aware. The most I've ever done is raise my own garden vegetables (chiles, tomatoes, lettuce, carrots, potatoes, strawberries, melons) and fruit trees (peaches, apples, oranges, lemons). When I had to can my own fruits of my labour, you really feel what exactly is involved with the whole process. Usually I can or preserve my own foods (peaches, salsa, jams, etc).

My dad once told me a story in which his family had a pet turkey. This turkey was raised as a pet, and acted just like one of the family dogs. Their economic situation got to the point where they were forced to take drastic action. In order to keep all of the kids fed (my grandfather was widowed with 6 young children) he had to kill the pet turkey. My dad told me that was the hardest thing they ever had to do. But it came down to eating the poor pet turkey or have starving kids.

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Ok, I've been waiting for some thread like this!

I'm not vegetarian. I like meat too much. (I like my veggies too) I don't like most frutti di mare, but that's not the point.
I respect anyone who's vegeterian, but some people are freaks on the point of "don't eat meat!!!"
That's the attitude of most vegetarians I met (although there's one vegetarian girl at my school who makes great carrot cake ) although, luckilly, not all of them.

The other thing is: I live in Poland (silly, middle-european country that just can't settle what it wants to do with itself) and, you know, we had communism here.
We lacked everything (errr... not me... I was born '86. I've heard the stories over & over though) especially meat... sometimes the family got a LIVE pig. Dad would kill, butcher it and prepare the meat with a couple of uncles. Is that so cruel? (Meat was the most nutritious food ever attainable those days... no soy/beans/whatever funky things...) It was survival for the family. And I mean family.

Last thing. Someone said, they think that animals have the right to live as much as humans do. I agree.
The point is, if I would have to kill a human to eat her/him (to survive, of course. Human flesh is supposedly very stringy) I would not think twice.
If anybody would attack me and threat me (anything from theft, through injury to killing me) I would not regret taking their life.
If I would kill someone accidentally (unwillingly. unknowingly. Such things DO happen) I wouldn't as much pity them (unless they sufferred horribly) as their loved ones.
I also would not hesitate to take a human being's life if they were, going to die anyway, but they'd suffer if they stayed alive as much as they could hold out.

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Again, and as SSJ_Cloud also emphasized for me, I have no problem with hunting, or raising animals on a farm, letting them live their lives out in mostly peace and then killing them quickly/humanely and eating them. This is VERY different than going to McDonalds and buying a hamburger, from which the cow mostly suffered all his life in a factory and probably didn't see the light of day.

Sheesh. I have uncles that are hunters, fishermen, and a grandfather who is a retired lobster fisherman. I promise you, I understand hunting. And I know that it is quite different, and much more natural, than factories.

Anyway. ^-^ Oh, and another little thing that I'd like to add. Have you ever seen humans chase down and kill a deer with their own bare hands, or a rabbit for that matter? Not that I'm particularly anti-guns, but it does sort of say something about how our diets must have been before the guns came along. Even before bows and arrows came along. I'm envisioning a lot of fish and slow, small animals, here.

Vegetarianism is not usually about trying to save the world. Get that idea out of your heads. For me, it's about what I like to eat, my health, and not being part of the food factory problem. If you don't think it's a problem, or you don't want to give up meat, that is fine. But I, and most vegetarians, don't want to be in it. Simple as that.

I like Kame's attitude towards vegetarianism. I couldn't do it myself, exactly, but it's a very realistic attitude. She does what feels right for her.

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Have you ever seen humans chase down and kill a deer with their own bare hands, or a rabbit for that matter? Not that I'm particularly anti-guns, but it does sort of say something about how our diets must have been before the guns came along.

Nope, but when humanity was born, it was born with a weapon in its hand. (Metaphorically, anyway. That would be weird). Whether it was a large rock found on the floor to bash a rabbit over the head, or a large hand made spear to charge a deer and slay it, we've always used weapons.
Guns may have been revolutionary, but that doesn't mean before their inventing we used fists and kept to small animals.

Anywaay, just thought I'd clear that up. I'll go now.

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Being extremely liberal, I have always kinda wanted to be a vegeterian. I'm completely down for the cause, and like the idea of not killing animals to eat. The main problem is that I looove meat, and can't stand pretty much any vegeterian alternative besides peanut butter. If they could just come out with something I liked more than meat, maybe I could do it. Or perhaps when I can't get motivated to run or play basketball every day and have to worry about my weight. Until then, though, I can't live without meat.

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Quote (SSJ_Cloud @ 25th February 2004 01:49)

Did you read the entire thread? Elena says she is perfectly fine with hunters. It is the commercial meat industry and its practices that she has problems with.

While not a vegetarian myself, I can see and understand the distincition she is making.

Did it ever occur to you that I am stepping outside the "Attack The Ideas Of The Primary Opposition In This Thread" box and was addressing moral vegetarians in GENERAL? I know it's hard to conceptionalize that someone may actually be addressing a broader issue and not making a personal attack, but lets try.

Also, I'm suprised the moral vegetarians haven't had a comeback to the FACTS I presented detailing the wholesale murder of animals during grain harvesting.

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Quote (The Raging Newbie @ 25th February 2004 17:40)

Also, I'm suprised the moral vegetarians haven't had a comeback to the FACTS I presented detailing the wholesale murder of animals during grain harvesting.

Nobody has called themselves a "moral vegetarian" yet. A couple people have commented that morality played a small part in their decision, but you're trying to argue with people who aren't here, and it's funny to watch.

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I think that TRN is just trying to start an argument. I'm not going to post in response to him anymore.

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Nobody has called themselves a "moral vegetarian" yet. A couple people have commented that morality played a small part in their decision, but you're trying to argue with people who aren't here, and it's funny to watch.

Absoloutely correct, no one has classified themselves a "moral vegetarian". I've classified them as such. There are Three (3) types of vegetarians:

1) Religious vegetarians: IE, Hindus who dont eat cows, Jews who don't eat pork, Christians who abstain from certain meats during Lent

2) Health Vegetarians: People who have to abstain from meat for health issues such. And no, wanitng to lose weight does not count as a Health issue, thats moral because being fat isnt a major health issue. Being obeise is but theres a difference there.

3) Moral vegetarians: People who don't eat meat because it is the product of animals. People who dont eat meat because they want to watch their weight also fall into this category. Why? Because if you eat meat sparingly you won't get fat, so by refusing to do so you are doing it for a moral reason wether you like it or not.

So unless vegetarians here are Hindus, Jews or of another faith that prohibits the consumption of certain meats or have Doctor's orders to refrain from eating meat, your a MORAL VEGETARIAN wether you want to accept it or not.

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Only three categories? Alright, let's see..

Well, I'm not hindu, so that's out...I don't have to abstain from it for health reasons. I ate all meat up to age 13, and as far as I know, didn't get sick. Hmm...I'm not a moral vegetarian either, since I will buy and cook animal meat for my fiance to eat, and approve of hunting.

Does that mean that I don't exist?

You forgot the ones that don't like the taste of meat.Yes, that's possible. You may like it. Some people don't. I'd say lots of people, but I know that you are most likely American, and Americans (and Canadians) love their meat. The same with a good chunk of Europe, too.

The real types are: semi-vegetarian, ovo-vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian, lacto-vegetarian, (and combinations of those prefixes), vegetarian, and vegan.

This post has been edited by Elena99 on 26th February 2004 00:31

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And no, wanitng to lose weight does not count as a Health issue, thats moral because being fat isnt a major health issue. Being obeise is but theres a difference there.

You are wrong. Being overweight is unhealthy no matter how much it is, just to a lower degree.

Face it, most people in America are overweight, and if one of those people turn into a vegetarian to lose some pounds, and they do it because they want to be healthier, it's a health issue.

I couldn't ever be a vegetarian. First off, steak is my favorite food (well, pizza is up there). Secondly, I can't stand the taste of any vegetable, save corn and potatoes (if you'd count potatoes even). Then I also love milk too, so I couldn't be a pure vegetarian at all either. Of course, moral issues do give my conscience a twinge, but only that. I mean, I guess if you wanted to go along the topic of an animal with a brain versus a plant without a brain, it would be more immoral to eat say, a chimp, a whale, or a dog, since they're among of the most intelligent animals.

But then I think it's cool some people are vegetarians. It's way too tough of a schedule for me to follow. Since I've been lucky enough to never have any problems with gaining too much weight, I always eat what I want whenever, so I don't have to worry about that.

OK, so I'll probably shave a few years of my life off by eating so much meat as opposed to so few healthy vegetables...but oh well. I'll just enjoy meat while I can.

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Only three categories? Alright, let's see..

Well, I'm not hindu, so that's out...I don't have to abstain from it for health reasons. I ate all meat up to age 13, and as far as I know, didn't get sick. Hmm...I'm not a moral vegetarian either, since I will buy and cook animal meat for my fiance to eat, and approve of hunting.

Does that mean that I don't exist?

You forgot the ones that don't like the taste of meat.Yes, that's possible. You may like it. Some people don't. I'd say lots of people, but I know that you are most likely American, and Americans (and Canadians) love their meat. The same with a good chunk of Europe, too.

The real types are: semi-vegetarian, ovo-vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian, lacto-vegetarian, (and combinations of those prefixes), vegetarian, and vegan.

Wow we can arugue crappy scemantics all day. Cooking meat for your fiance is a whole helluva alot different than not being a moral vegetarian. And a friendly FYI, people who don't like the taste of meat aren't vegetarians. Moral Vegetarians refuse to eat meat because of where it came from, whereas people who dislike meats taste dont eat it because they dont like the taste.

Add-on: Another thing, why is raising animals for slaughter so bad? I think it would rule. You get all the food you could ever want, free liscense to reproduce, and then when the best years of your life are over, your killed in such a fashion you dont even know what hit you. Now what the hells wrong with that?

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Let's look back at the first post of this thread:

Quote (Elena99 @ 23rd February 2004)

Basically, I want this to be discussions about vegetarianism, how you started, what degree (unlabeled, semi-veg, ova-veg, ova-lacto-veg, vegan, etc), basic thoughts about it. You don't have to be a vegetarian or vegan to post here, however, just posting to say negative opinions on vegetarians is not what I'm after. I know vegetarianism isn't for everyone, you don't have to tell me. ^-^

This isn't the place to have circular arguments about whether you do or don't agree with vegetarianism. Further, it's certainly not the place to judge people for their lifestyle choice or pigeonhole them into stereotypes, regardless of which facts you choose to embrace and which you choose to ignore. ("Killed in such a fashion you dont even know what hit you"? You could at least make an argument based on FACTS since you insist people respond to yours. Do a little research. And then don't post here about what you find; it's not the topic.)

If you're a non-vegetarian with some inoffensive, non-confrontational questions you'd like to pose, that's fine. If you're here with a "live and let live" attitude, fine. If you're going to simply argue with people's own choices on the matter, you can leave now.

And that goes both ways. We don't need any PETA-style anti-meat-eating activism in here, either, as that's often what causes the defensive attitude in us carnivorous folk to begin with (though in this case it seems pretty much unprovoked).

If there can't be a civil discussion, the thread will be closed. I'm not saying debates like this are forbidden on the forums, but the first post is pretty clear that it's not the intention of this topic.

The discussion has been very civil. There have been no personal attacks and everythings been within the bounds of common decency. If you can't hang with some empassioned discussion, I suggest you go here:
http://www.disney.com

Edit: FYI Tiddles, THAT Was a personal attack.

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FYI, THIS is a warning, and a VERY strong suggestion that you shut up in this topic. You have been anything but civil since the beginning, as all you are doing here is trolling and trying to force an argument in a thread that, which has ALREADY been pointed out by Elena AND REINFORCED by Tiddles, was started for the benefit of vegetarians discussing diets and for people to ask questions about the lifestyle. That does NOT include questions like "What about the animals harmed in grain harvesting?" and similar questions posted simply to cause a stir. You do not tell anyone that they're arguing "crappy scemantics [sic]" and you do not have the privilege in this topic to tell someone what lifestyle they are leading and force them into a classification they don't consider themself a part of. Adding "friendly" to a sentence ("a friendly FYI", "some friendly information") does not make you any less of a troll.

You say "Attack The Ideas Of The Primary Opposition In This Thread", but you and everyone else in this thread should keep it in mind that this isn't a thread created to HAVE an opposition, nor will it become one.

As a result, this topic returns to its original intention now.

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man... i missed a lot here.

well anyway i just wanted to say that today just for the sake of doing it, i decided to take a break from my normal eating schedule and not eat any meat. i never really did it and i wanted to see what it was like, and i can honestly say it wasnt that bad. i doubt i have the discipline, and i know i dont have the desire to follow this sort of trend for a very prolonged period of time, let alone the rest of my life, but it was a learning experience nonetheless, and you really do feel kind of different at the end of the day after not eating any meat whatsoever. maybe some people should try it, they might find it suits them.

though it seems inconsequential at this point, as this topic has gotten way out of hand, i was going to ask elena and any other vegetarians here if they take any kind of vitamins or supplements to maintain a healthy protein/vitamin balance that might not get totally fulfilled by their diet. a friend of mine used to take iron pills or something like that because her vegetarian diet didnt really give her the amount that she needed.


as a closing thought, it looks like any time a legitimate topic for people to simply discuss ideas or opinions at length is brought to be, people always have to insult other's beliefs and cause trouble just for the sake of doing it. i could completely falsify many of the "facts" brought up by people who are only out to insult someone else's lifestyle but i dont see the point in dragging out a stupid argument and contributing to yet another good thread being closed. complete disrespect has been shown to FOUR different mods, (r51, elena, tiddles and neal, i feel for ya) and if you dont like how they run things or you dont respect what they have to say, then just leave and stop bothering everyone else. i think theyve been more than patient and some of you should thank them for letting you stick around after some of the things youve said to them and other people. i thought this was gonna be a really good thread when it first came out, but it looks like some people werent mature enough to accept other people's lifestyles. it would be a pity to see another topic closed because of immature board trolls and its not fair to everyone else.

well im done.

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Some people do need supplements like that, cause they are just too busy to be able to cook good meals every day, and need the extra iron. I used to take a multivitamin in University, because I'd frequently worry that I wasn't getting enough nutrients (not having much money to spend on food, or time to prepare it).

The multivitamine had iron in it, but I haven't taken any (except Vitamine C sometimes) in a while. I drink fortified soymilk, though, and eat other specially iron-fortified things, so I should be good. I so still have a container of multivitamines, just in case I get into a bad week or something.

That's great that you tried going without meat. :-) I bet it would be surprising, for some people. It feels different, but it's not torture or anything.

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I watched this 12 minute video, online, on peta.com or something like that. And I came to the decision that I will be a vegetarian.... but only eat meat that I raise/kill. Such as my fathers farm. I came to that decision when I realized how bad animals are being treated in production farms. I'd like to treat them better in a way, but still be able to eat em' if desired.

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After seeing this post, I asked one of my friends who is a vegaterian about why she started and her stance on hunting, and then the rest of the class around us felt the need to add their two-cents or make some smart@ss comment about vegatarians. I was supprised that a simple thing like choosing not to eat meat would get people so p!ssed off that they would feel the need to ridicule my friend. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I never knew that vegaterians got so much flack for something that's just a dietary choice.

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Quote (Elena99 @ 23rd February 2004 18:38)

And, as for food, as "meat substitutes" I eat: tofu, chick peas, lentils, spinach, kale, seeds/nuts, peanut butter, brocolli, soymilk, falafel, soyburgers. That's all I can think of for right now that can take the place of meat.

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Oh, there's another great food made with chickpeas called hummus. It's more of a dip or spread, though. You make it with chick peas, sunflower or sesame seeds, sesame oil, water, garlic, and some spices. You can leave out the garlic if that's not your thing. Darnit, I had thought of more meat substitutes last night, but I forgot them. Ah well. ^-^

Edit: I remembered one! Textured Vegetable Protein. TVP for short. You can use it anywhere you'd use ground meat, like in chillies, spaghetti sauces, etc.

Lots of substitutes have already been discussed. But there are a lot more. Any other quiet vegetarians out there want to give their thoughts on others, or even non-veggies who have good ideas?

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Well, a yummy sandwich that Elena suggested to me was toasted pumpernickel bread, with slices of cucumber and tomato on it.
That was so yummy!

And actually, I like using applesauce instead of eggs when I bake.
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