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I loved this game pretty much the whole way through...untill after

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St. Ajora

fell all too easily.

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I didn't understand what was up with the ending though.............Spoilers..
it seemed odd to me that Ramza just kinda rode away with his sister and was never seen or heard from again, and none of the other chars in your party were even mentioned besides Orlandu..and he was supposedly dead...how did that happen?


Also...why did Delita kill ovelia...it seemed random, he had no real reason to kill her, and he never seemed to kill for no reason. She also said somthing like..you killed ramza...but we know that isn't true....I just didn't get it, and I was literally shocked when he killed her since as far as I gathered he genuinly loved her.

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This post has been edited by Neal on 3rd February 2004 12:00

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The ending is quite subjective to what you want to think, and I bet it's designed to be that way. I personally believe Ramza and crew kept low and out of sight of fear of an attack by the church.

Delita killed Ovelia because she was a danger to his rule. She could have been the supreme leader if she killed him, and he saw it as a threat, so he elimated the threat. Paranoid, yes, but that's how things are. He also had no need for her to be alive anymore, he achieved what he wanted.

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I agree with Tommah on the 'keeping low point of vue'. I think that Ramza and Alma wanted to hide away from the church, and also to keep themselves away from nobility.
For my part, I don't believe that Delita planned to kill Ovelia : after all, in the last sequence, he's coming with flowers.
Ovelia tries to kill him, because the 'death' of Ramza and Alma drives her mad (she wouldn't know about them being alive, since a funeral was staged : remember the scene with Olan and Balmafula at the cemetery). She decides to take revenge, because she can't stand Delita's actions anymore.
When she strikes him, Delita reacts the same way as he had done almost all his life : in the face of betrayal, he kills. I don't think that at this moment, he's thinking about power : he's just a man in love, who's betrayed once again, and this time by the very person he loves most; so he reacts...

I think that FFT's ending is the best someone could have achieve with the plot and characters developed throughout the game. Delita has achieved his dreams, but finally dies because of the way he has chosen to achieve this very dream (and I do think he dies at the end, though some pointed out that it's not clearly stated). The other side of the coin is Ramza, who led his life in dignity, and who probably ended in peace, knowing he had done what was right.

Here's for my rather lengthy opinion on FFT's ending...hope I didn't bore you out

This post has been edited by Mr Thou on 3rd February 2004 18:28

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well let me give a responce with the opposite point of view. i believe that, when the graveyard of ships exploded after the death of ajesu...err, ajora...the party died (except for ramza and alma). that is, orlandu and co all perished in the explosion. however, i believe that alma, as the reincarnation of ajora, was somehow able to circumvent death for herself and the person most beloved to her, her brother. so, that is how they escaped. the delita/ovelia scene i explain as this: delita always knew what was going on, he was just a truly evil and cowardly person at heart, so he let everyone *else* (read: ramza group) solve the problems of the world at thye front line of battle while he stayed holed up in his castle plotting and scheming. that's what ovelia means when she says he sent ramza to his death -- and she realises it was ramza all along who was pure and good. she also knows that if she stabs delita, he will kill her, because he is a coward, and she can't stand to live any longer (esp not at his side) knowing everything that she knows now. so she stabs him -- not to kill him, but so that he will kill her. then delita finally realises that all along his plotting and scheming brought him nothing but guilt and sadness, and algus was wrong all along -- nobility isn't any better, and being in control isn't happiness.

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So did Delita die? Mr. Thou said he died, but did Ovelia stabbing him kill him or something else? I know he's clutching his stomach and falls to his knees at the end, but I figured it was out of shock and grief at having just killed Oveila and the knowledge that he had screwed Ramza. In fact I didn't even know Ovelia stabbed him, I just figured she was hysterical and pounding on his armor

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Blood & Fire

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Remember that once a character joins you, they stop appearing in story scenes.
Agrias, after you defeat Queklain, doesn't appear in story scenes anymore, even
though she should, and so on. Only Mustadio appears in Chapter 4 during the
Cloud Side-Quest.

This means that in the ending, everyone is alive, but don't appear because they
are insignificant to the story. They all most have taken different paths, and maybe
Orlandu was the only one who died due to his wounds.

In the last scene, Oveilia gets killed by Delita, and Delita maybe dies.

Delita is wondering what Ramza did get. Ramza only wanted to save his sister, and
Delita did the same thing Algus wanted, so what did Ramza get if Delita had power?

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I want this world to change for good. I want to see Final Fantasy, the world of swords and magic.

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I believe some of the biggest allure to this game comes from the storyline, and the ending does not disappoint. I would KILL for a sequel that answers the question as to what "really" happened in the ending sequence... but likely one is never comming. So, its up to us to determine it ourselves. Here is what I think. Ramza and Alma survive. You would be surprised at how many people think they are "ghosts" in the scene at the cemetary. Anyway, there is no reference to the rest of the group, so I believe they died aboard the airship. I think the stones power is what saved Ramza and Alma. As for Delita, I think the knife was hidden in the flowers. It was a planned assasination. He probably killed a court servant and put the dagger in his hands and said he did it, as Dycedarg did with Larg. The bastard was bitter, and trusted no one, so it fits with his character. I would LOVE for a sequel to star Delita as the lead role, and show everything from his perspective.... God, that would rock..... *drools*

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I don't mean to be a party pooper, but I think there's a lot read into the ending, but it's meant to be taken at face value (that doesn't make it so, that's just the way I see it).

The following is all my opinion, and by no means fact, so don't think I'm saying this is the way it is...it's just the way I believe it to be...

Ramza and Alma, I believe, are real when they ride by at the end (it just doesn't make sense that there would be the lengthy FMV at the end of them riding along if they were ghosts). I don't think there's any guarantee that the other warriors died on the airship...Ramza and Alma survived somehow, so why not the rest of the gang? I notice Olan mentions T.G. Cid, even if you don't use him in the final battle ( I've only seen the ending that comes if you get all 13 Zodiac stones, so I don't know what the other endings are), so maybe there's more to his story after the airship battle, but who knows? Anyway, the rest of the characters I finished the game with were just the ones I'd built up myself, and were basically "nobodys" anyway, so them not being mentioned at the end by no means suggested to me that they had died.

As for Delita and Ovelia, well, I think the whole scene is just to show Delita gets his just desserts for stepping on everyone on his way to the top. I viewed him more as a villain through most of the game than a hero, in spite of his helping you from time to time. His motives were all selfish, and who's to say that him being king was a good thing? I think we were meant to view him as a scoundrel at the end, and feel no remorse for what happens to him. As for Ovelia, I didn't realize she was so attached to Ramza and Alma, but I think she was just driven mad with brooding over Delita's often treacherous actions on his road to being king. As for Delita attacking back, well, I think that was just a reflexive response to having been attacked first by Ovelia. It doesn't seem clear if he dies or not after it, but it didn't matter much to me...I didn't like Delita that much by this point, as I said.

"Ramza, what did you get?"??? Is this a horrible mistranslation, or what? I always thought it was meant to be, "Ramza, where did you go?", but haven't heard anyone's view on that one way or the other, so...anyway, this is all just my two cents...take it or leave it...your opinion is as valid as mine...

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I have got to agree with Majik. Anything could have happened to the unmentioned characters, it just doesn't matter. And from a game development perspective you can understand why. They could all already be dead in random battles! Or you could have banished them from your party. It's too much to ask that the ending also figure out the names of whoever was in your party, as mentioning them doesn't really add to the story. As far as Delita goes, the first time I saw it, it was my impression that his intention was to kill Ovelia with a knife hidden in the flowers, and Ovelia saw right through the deception. He really did love her, but he went a little psycho on the day Teta died, and decided he would never be "used" again. The only way he saw that he could do that was to become king and he was working towards that goal throughout the entire story. Ovelia's death was neccesary to achieve that goal. At the end he slumps down, unhappy that he had to kill someone he loved to be king and he wonders to himself "Ramza...what did you get?" Though probably a mis-translation, I think it's meaning is that Delita had achieved his goal, but was still unhappy, and was wondering if what Ramza "got" (the goal Ramza achieved) was better. And that's my take.

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First of all I believe that Ramza and Alma are really are ghosts. Because Rofel sealed the opening out of Murond Death City by destroying the portal. I doubt that Ramza and co could survive that blast. After all the story line reflects everyone as only human despite the magics. However when Olan was speaking at the end and said "The High Priests death was staged" i believe he meant that the church blamed ramza for the murder.

As for Delita and Ovelia.... Ovelia supposedly did attack Delita but I'm not so sure that Delita actually killed Ovelia. In addition I think Ovelia was indeed hysterical And i know Delita didn't die after because Alazam's explanation in the beginning stated that Delita died after a long peaceful rule. However it didn't mention Ovelia. Plus why would Delita kill Ovelia? He did love her and she loved him. Also Delita would need Ovelia to secure the throne.

Well, like I said, that was my opinion only...and sorry if there were any spoilers in what I wrote...didn't think of that! I was curious as to how Ramza and his pals would have gotten out of the death city after what Rofel did, but I just assumed that when the final boss was defeated, that realm ceased to exist, or at least ceased to confine those who had entered into it. I kind of have this vision of the warriors who fought the last battle awakening on a grassy field somewhere in the real world again after the destruction of the airship...it's kind of the old "heros win the big battle and everything returns to normal" bit. That's REALLY just my opinion there, though, since there's nothing to support that really. The thing I wonder about is this: does anyone who wasn't fighting in the last battle really know what took place after Ramza and his pals went to the basement of the monestary? After all, it takes place in a different "dimension", so besides those in his party, nobody else would have witnessed what took place, or know that anything heroic happened at all...hmmm...

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