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I've been watching the video for about 20 minutes on MSNBC's TV outlet, and if it's a double, it is the best double I've ever seen. Do you think he's been captured? What do you think is going to happen now?

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I'm actually kind of scared that they have captured him. I have this awful sinking feeling that there is going to be some sort of massive retribution because of it. I'm not really sure whether something of the such could be mounted in such sort notice though.

And I'm a worry wort by nature though, of course.

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I feel that his capture is more of a demoralizing blow to the still evident former Iraqi regime. However, if he is executed, retribution may be just right around the corner.

How about we get Osama now? Would be nice to at least bring some sort of closure to the whole 9/11 rollercoaster. At least it would end any excuse Bush has for invading where ever next.

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its been confirmed its not a double... they did DNA testing and found it is indeed saddam hussein. i just love how these middle eastern terrorist folks never look very nice when theyre finally caught. they always end up with bushy animal hair and a beard. they always just seem to end up going to shit 6 months after the fact.

they aint gonna execute him... the american government won't kill a leader or former leader of a country. unless it was an "accident". saddam is getting pretty good punishment as it is, because he's now the laughing stock of the middle east, he kinda shot down his whole "honor" by not even ATTEMPTING to kill his captors or himself, which is what the muslim "soldiers" rant on and on about doing upon their capture. the life in prison and humilation (by the americans and by his own people) saddam is going to go through until his death in captivity is worse than execution anyway. he's just going to be politically skullf*cked for the rest of his life, and i think thats a pretty sweet deal for the people on the giving end.

when they found him he was in a 6x8 hole in the ground.

going from being the worlds #1 tyrant to sitting around in a hole, thats kind of a hop down the ladder, dont ya think?

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i was never, nor am i now a fan of the war on iraq. if anyone remembers correctly, the supposed point of this war was to retreive WMDs so that we wouldnt be killed. However, we have yet to find ANY weapons. Also, Saddam did not use ONE of these weapons to fight back. I mean, if he had them, we didnt he use them? There wasnt anything to lose at this point, i mean, his army was failing, so he might as well blow us all to hell. But he didnt, he just ran. Kinda makes you think, huh?
However, he was clearly an unjust ruler that severely oppressed his people. He may have somehow gotten a WMD at some point and MAYBE tried attacking us. But the cowboy in charge made sure to just go killing everything first. Good for him. Nothing says "great leader" like starting wars.
Now that the "threat" of iraq is gone, maybe the US should try and tackle a real problem, don't you think? Maybe North Korea? Far be it from me to say a certain leader is a complete IDIOT, but NK is an actual problem. They not only have claimed they have nuclear weapons, they have proven it. I believe i saw it on "good morning america", or a similar program, but the NKs were actually having tests done on their weapons; including firing them off. However, our leader and his posse (yeah, they are a posse) refuses to have any kind of diplomatic talks with them. He also is not fighting a war with them. In fact, he is completely ignoring them. That is the dumbest thing that could be done at this point. One way or another, we need to be involved with NK before something bad happens. Just waiting around for them is stupid.

sorry, i can get a little carried away when it comes to politics and world affairs.

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Havign watched the entire little speech from Paul Bremer (sp?) on ITV news, i think they have got him. The statement "Ladies and Gentlemen: We got e'm" was said to be "typically American" in the words of the ITV newsreader, but IMO its more "Typically Bush Administration".

But is anyone else suspicious of how he gave up so easily? Apart from Al-Jazeera.





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Unfortunately now I believe the terrorist attacks are going to INCREASE in Iraq, with Saddam captured, rather than decrease. It's obvious he wasn't coordinating these attacks in the end, as the small hole he was found in had no communication devices whatsoever, so he couldn't have been behind them later on.

And I'm with Noobinator, now we have all of FOX News gloating about how the Democratic presidential candidates must "explain themselves". Explain themselves for what? The Democrats didn't want Hussein in power, what irked them was the timing and manner in which Bush conducted the war with Iraq, especially going to war on the pretense that Hussein possessed devastating WMD when we had zero proof of that being true; this was also the PRIMARY reason that the Bush administration gave for going to war, despite their claims to the contrary now.

Unfortunately with the nearly pointless capture of Hussein (as he was doing absolutely nothing at the time of his capture, and probably hadn't been doing anything for some time except hiding), that probably guarantees Bush the role as president for another shitty four years, because the American public doesn't know jack. God help us.

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heh, I bet Saddam has to be caught sometime soon. I wish they would get this stupied war over with. (If they would kill that coward, Bin Ladin)
I just can't stand looking in a newspapper and hearing some of our guys are getting killed out there.

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Unfortunately with the nearly pointless capture of Hussein (as he was doing absolutely nothing at the time of his capture, and probably hadn't been doing anything for some time except hiding),

It doesn't matter what he was doing at the time of his capture, they were after him for being a war criminal for things he's been doing since he came to power. It's not like the statute ran out.

I'm just thinking "it's about time." We started going after him, what...13 years ago? It's about time it was over.

This isn't the end of the war. Even if they caught bin Laden, it wouldn't be over. After they do, there's years of clean-up left. Bombard their countries, destroy their governments, and then go home? Real nice.

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If Cloud worries I'am suspicious of the capture. I'am not expert on Saddam or his methods so I may need enlightenment on them. The fact that he didn't fight back was something that made me uneasy. And they captured him faster than Bin Laden( who has shown more resistnce and is far more elusive). What was his strategy is what worries me. He didn't fight back in the way defiant Tyrants usually do making a last stand in the face of hopelessness. But Papachi was right like all Tyrants he is a coward. But I think Saddam did have this calculating intelligence about him. He didn't take his life like most proud Tyrant's do. Saddam I believe was biding his time to perhaps either re-emerge to live a quiet life, with a different identity after the coalition gave up fighting for him(That ain't happening now). Or strike at the right moment to do as much damage as possible in a defiant move against his enemies. Saddam (IMO) never gave a damn about the Islam faith but would use it to rouse support for his cause and Anti-USA sentiment in Iraq. Or is this the case of man who realises his time is over and it is better to go peacefully. What will be interesting is what Saddam does have t say himself.

But for Coalition "Go you good things, you did get him" .

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I believe i saw it on "good morning america", or a similar program

if you get your news from good morning america or similar programs, dont go and criticize the capture of a man who tyrannized his country and his people, WMA's in his possession or not. of course the leader of our nation is dumb as a bucket of rocks, we all know that, but he caught a man that has been sought after since before his day, and if bush didnt catch him, the next guy would try to. if you just go up a few channels from good morning america, you can find CNN. you might wanna switch to that.

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This will add a great deal to Bush's ability to win the next election, because he "OMG TOOK DOWN A BIG AMERICAN THREAT OMG". It would pretty much secure it if he found Osama.

this is true... we sure as hell dont need bush running around for another 4 years smiling for no real reason at inopportune times and talking about "nuke-yoo-lar" weapons. i really hope someone worth voting for pops up for the next election.

Slash for president

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if you just go up a few channels from good morning america, you can find CNN. you might wanna switch to that.

well, slick look at it this way. good morning america had this on their show, right? This is a program that is adamantly pro-bush. anything involving NK is not pro-bush, and he never wants it spoken of. now if a show like that is willing to completely slam bush like that, it may be considered something to worry about, you think?

as for bush capturing saddam. yeah, im sure he was leading the attack. i swear, im tired of people making bush out to be some GI Joe that is unstoppable. See, anybody can send countless soldiers to fight in a country. Thats easy, any leader can do that. I mean, he is guilty of the same acts he is accusing iraq of, in some ways. He calls them war-tyrants, and then starts a pre-emptive attack on them. Slightly hypocritical, huh?

just think about it, alright. Im not saying youll agree with me, because you most likely would not. but uh...ya know...nevermind.

This post has been edited by the n00binator on 15th December 2003 01:35

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ok "slick"... if you wanna go back and forth, PM me... no use in arguing in the middle of a legitimate thread.

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if you just go up a few channels from good morning america, you can find CNN. you might wanna switch to that.

Think that's bad? I found out on Sportscenter.

Anyways, for the conspiracy theorists, ever notice how these things always seem to happen to Bush when his popularity's at it's lowest? And doesn't Sadaam look an awful lot like a man who's been held in captivity for a year? Not saying for sure, just pointing out the convienient coincidences for Bush.

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Anyways, for the conspiracy theorists, ever notice how these things always seem to happen to Bush when his popularity's at it's lowest? And doesn't Sadaam look an awful lot like a man who's been held in captivity for a year? Not saying for sure, just pointing out the convienient coincidences for Bush.

How many look-alikes did Husein hire?
If they did lie about the DNA test, what would they do when they find the real Hussein?
And all that would do is give people more of a reason to cry about quitting.

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I think what Gears is suggesting is that we've had Saddam Hussein in captivity for some time now, but waited to break the news to the American people until Bush's popularity needed a boost.

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It would be a clever dirty tactic. But effective, well I really can't complain no one is perfect not even the "heroes". But Gears makes some very interesting points. Saddam looked healthier captured than he did in power. Even when he appear to have been just captured.This video footage is destine to drive conspritor nuts crazy.

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Saddam looked healthier captured than he did in power. Even when he appear to have been just captured.This video footage is destine to drive conspritor nuts crazy.

Are you kidding me? He looked like he'd been drugged out of his mind or something he was so out of it. His face was pale, and he looked malnourished, kinda like he'd been in a hole for the past few months.

I'd have to disagree with any kind of theory that we "already had him in captivity" just in case Bush needed a boost, because for one, his points wouldn't have dropped so far if we had just caught him in the first place. Why even let your popularity drop if you don't have to? And the evidence and how they broke it of the hole he was in and all was just too believable. How could something as big as Sadaam's capture not have gotten out in this day and age? Meaning on Al-Jazeer or on the internet. People in the Middle East would've had to have at least had inklings or suspicions. Besides of course, "oh, he might be dead." Withholding information from the American people is one thing (which obviously happens frequently) but witholding information from the whole world is a whole 'nother.

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You got a point there. I only thought he looked healthier after they showed us the historical and current photos. The historical photos his skin looked really ugly. But the ones we saw now his skin looked healthier. Guess thats what hiding in a hole does to you.

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But is anyone else suspicious of how he gave up so easily?

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Ah, thank you. It just seems odd that he should yell out, "I am the President of Iraq. I surrender", or something thereabouts, as soon as the US soldiers entered his hut. If our army was just doing a routine check on the vilages, couldn't he have just posed as one of the local commoners? Or better yet, left town for a day?

I'm not saying it isn't him. It has to be him, unless they sucked Hussein of his blood and gave it to a person with a remarkable likeness or himself, in which case, he'd be dead (obviously). So does anyone have a good explanation why he gave up so easily?

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did any of you guys see the live press conference this morning? it was on CNN. i watched it in one of my college courses. he came out expecting to gloat to the press, and i guess (in his mind) that they would be kissing his butt. Oh no, was HE IN FOR A SURPRISE!!! He went out there and was absolutely hammered by the press. He got majorly pissed. His face got all red, and he had this nervous laughter, it was divine.

Well, if you didnt, dont bother watching it now. im sure itll be doctored up. in fact i know it is. i saw it later, and they tried to make him look all dynamic.

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I'm assuming your referring to George Dubya by "he" n00b, well I saw most of his news conference, but it didn't seem like he got "hammered" by the press to me.

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Ah, thank you. It just seems odd that he should yell out, "I am the President of Iraq. I surrender", or something thereabouts, as soon as the US soldiers entered his hut. If our army was just doing a routine check on the vilages, couldn't he have just posed as one of the local commoners? Or better yet, left town for a day?

He was not in a hut. He was in an underground crawlspace 6x8 ft wide. It was right there in the dirt with a blanket over it, when the blanket was removed there was a lift off wooden compartment that somewhat resembled actual ground, and then a square hole that you could drop down into. The troops lifted it up, and heard voices coming from down in it. They were about to throw a grenade down, when Sadaam lifted up his arms and announced who he was. He knew he was screwed, and after being confined for so long he didn't have the energy to put up a fight.

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He was not in a hut. He was in an underground crawlspace 6x8 ft wide.

I got ownzed. I guess I thought that the hole was in a hut, and he lived in the hut and went into hiding in the hole.

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I feel sorry for the guy that gave him the oral exam...imagine how that must have smelled. I think that is really him and if it isn't...KILL HIM for pretending to be Hussein. But that is my belief...I guess I am just a violent person

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its definetly him. But if you ask me he kinda looks like an evil santa clause. anyways, its about time he got captured. Hopefully we get osama and saddams other 13 cohorts.... GO USA!!!

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Im gonna be honest, I was dissapointed with the capture. Not the fact that he is in custody, but his lack of response. The media and Bush built Saddam up to be as evil as Hitler, yet when they open the door he says "Dont shoot!"

I was expecting a blaze of glory type ending. The open the door, hes waiting with 2 AK-47's screaming "HERE I AM YOU AMERICAN SCUM!" and he unloads at them.

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much like in Scarface

Im glad hes in custody, and Im glad we didnt lose anymore troops to this cause, but I was definitely shocked.

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Saddam looked healthier captured than he did in power. Even when he appear to have been just captured.This video footage is destine to drive conspritor nuts crazy.

Are you kidding me? He looked like he'd been drugged out of his mind or something he was so out of it. His face was pale, and he looked malnourished, kinda like he'd been in a hole for the past few months.

I'd have to disagree with any kind of theory that we "already had him in captivity" just in case Bush needed a boost, because for one, his points wouldn't have dropped so far if we had just caught him in the first place. Why even let your popularity drop if you don't have to? And the evidence and how they broke it of the hole he was in and all was just too believable. How could something as big as Sadaam's capture not have gotten out in this day and age? Meaning on Al-Jazeer or on the internet. People in the Middle East would've had to have at least had inklings or suspicions. Besides of course, "oh, he might be dead." Withholding information from the American people is one thing (which obviously happens frequently) but witholding information from the whole world is a whole 'nother.

Although I agree the theory that we've had Hussein in captivity for some time isn't probable (and I'm openly liberal ), it's definitely possible. And you could make some sense out of Bush biding his time, waiting for his popularity to wane: This is because if Hussein was captured right at the start of the war (rather than right now), and the terrorist attacks on U.S. troops continued as they are now, then Hussein's capture would look more like a blip on Bush's political map than anything else. And it's probable that Hussein's capture wouldn't have deterred the attacks on U.S. troops (for my reasoning, look at my previous post ^).

And so basically Bush would have had a nice political weapon in store had we captured Hussein and withheld him until now, when Bush's ratings were plummeting. Again, I doubt that we had him, but it's a possibility and makes sense to help Bush politically. (I mean, look at how his ratings have taking a definite turn for the better for him)

And to DP: I think his capture was pointless to the war on terror, but punishing him obviously is NOT pointless. And while we may gain some relevant information from the CIA's interrogation session with him, I'm doubting that will help either because from what I've heard Hussein has been uncooperative and sarastic in his responses so far.

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Im gonna be honest, I was dissapointed with the capture. Not the fact that he is in custody, but his lack of response. The media and Bush built Saddam up to be as evil as Hitler, yet when they open the door he says "Dont shoot!"

I was expecting a blaze of glory type ending. The open the door, hes waiting with 2 AK-47's screaming "HERE I AM YOU AMERICAN SCUM!" and he unloads at them.

Spend a few months starving in a hole and see if you're still willing to fight a losing battle.

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