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if he was lets say gallant knight have that with an extended guts list with stonger tachnigues where u can learn ultima by using JP etc.

if he was a heavenly knigh he could be with skills like holy gash an elementel sword attack and a powerful aboility similiar to clouds omni slash which is gained when fighting Dycayarg it could be called something like "Balbane's Fury"

post ur own ideas

if u guys want him to have a "special class" contact square-enix to remake it with new class on xbox and ps2

This post has been edited by Cloud_Strife510 on 15th November 2003 21:51

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Heavenly Knight was supposed to be an extremely high honor that went with years of training, and immense power. Ramza was just beginning his quest to become a warrior, then

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left the family, so there went his chance

I think Ramza's version of Squire was a class all its own.

This post has been edited by Dark Paladin on 15th November 2003 22:53

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Heavenly Knight.. although you can learn Balbanes Fury if you master blk mage magic and equip it on you it might be strong while using Balbanes fury.

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I believe he allready has his own special class. He can equip all knights and squire weapons, unlike regular squires. Plus, he gets great additional skills that can be used to level up.

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alright, i do acknowledge that his class, although called squire, is NOT a squire. well, he is, but clearly more powerful. also he has new abilities and more equipment to use. so i propose a name for Ramza.

1.Uber Squire. yeah--well alotta people refer to him as this anyway. i think its kinda funny, and actually fits his class.



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I think he should be a class called commander because most of his guts abilities affect the members of his team.

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well i got one total made up but, no one else in the game is this as far as i know. the Crimson Knight a black magic, master or the sword, summoner type with a bit of thoughs cool ninja skills but, thats just me.

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well i got one total made up but, no one else in the game is this as far as i know. the Crimson Knight a black magic, master or the sword, summoner type with a bit of thoughs cool ninja skills but, thats just me.

How does that apply to Ramza, exactly?

I myself think it's a bit strange that Ramza stays a squire, but it's nothing I care so deeply about that I'm going to venture a lot of thought towards it. As has been said before in this thread, he never advances in any of the organizations in the game - he just stays independent. He fights against the church - how would he become a Divine Knight, or Heavenly Knight, or anything like that?

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well thats my point he stays independent. so he wouldnt become one of the other knights holy, arc, white, black and so on. so y not give him a knight class all his own.

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I think Ramza already has a substatial enough personal job clas abilities like scream and yell are amazing and make it a hell of a lot easier to level up. I like him the way he is.

yes, he DOES fight against the church, doesnt he? thanks for pointing that out. that gives me a few ideas for class names.
1.Master Heretic
2.Martin Luther(95 Theses attack!)
3. The Antichrist

i imagine that naming him the antichrist would greatly improve the sales of square games in america..lmao

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lol

>>> Satans Friend <<< how bout that for a chance? lol

Actuall on the Noobinators idea i think just "Heretic" might be a cool class. Unique thieving abilites ad some of the squire abilites he already has.

yea he has some cool skills in squire. but he could have thoughs in any class made for him. and anyway yes he is called a heretic by the church but, he is not against the church. ramza is against the people who are using the church. the braves are the ones who he is fighting.

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yea he has some cool skills in squire. but he could have thoughs in any class made for him. and anyway yes he is called a heretic by the church but, he is not against the church. ramza is against the people who are using the church. the braves are the ones who he is fighting.

then how about Paladin... since there isn't any class of this name it wouldn't neccesarily HAVE to be connected with the church. plus this story is being told by that one guy's descendant, so to them this would be a befitting title for Ramza.

WHO'S DESCENDANT? he aint Ramza's, thats for sure. and paladin? maybe. but i dont think a paladin would stand against the church. if we go by D&D standards, he needs a god to represent his powers and to worship. he has neither. also...he's not righteous enough, his personality does not fit a paladin. he is closer to a plain fighter or maybe ranger.


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The story's being told by Alazlam Durai, who we can guess is Olan Durai's descendent, as Olan was the one who compiled the papers on the entire event. It seems Alazlam finally got a hold of them. Thus, if this is really Olan's story, it would make sense for him to refer to Ramza as a Paladin. I think a Paladin would stand for whatever is good, really, and in this situation, that was definitely not the church. I think his personality fits a Paladin really well, myself.

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D&D Paladins don't have to worship a god. This is off topic, but it's true.

As for Ramza's class ... he should be called a Defender. Just my opinion.

Class Ideas
Defender - He always protects whoever needs protecting
Justice Knight - He believes in justice and not deception and conspiracy.
Peacekeeper - =/

There are unlimited adjectives that could describe his personality. I think Defender would probably be my favorite idea though.

Perhaps ... Upholder? Guardian?


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Class Ideas
Defender        - He always protects whoever needs protecting
Justice Knight - He believes in justice and not deception and conspiracy.
Peacekeeper  - =/

you all make good points only in d&d and, in the real world a paladin is a knights of god or the church how ever you look at it. and so Choas knight has some good class ideas.
but i think i had a kick *** class name Crimson Knight. it has nothing to do with church or god.

This post has been edited by spirit of wrath on 25th November 2003 01:30

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yeah those are all cool ideas too bad it'll never happen though

i liked him the way he was though especially when he got ULTIMA
if i were to change one thing it would be to add one ability
ULTIMA gash: his final ability attacks in a 5x5 radius no charge time
his sword turns green he does an attack motion in all directions
would have to cost some hefty JP though

Actually, I just read an article on this at Icybrian.com by Travis King.

Ramza Beoulve

Job History: Squire with talk skill bonuses and Ultima Lite

Experience: Former Hokuten soldier pre-AWOL status. Some mercenary experience. Argued anarchist.

References: Most of my references are dead (Ask during interview).

Obviously compared to the famous powerhouses preceding him, Ramza lacks in the strength department compared to most heroes (I would have included killing Jesus Christ in my resume if it occurred, but that’s just me). While this leads many players to frustration at Ramza’s mediocrity, I believe that his lack in strength speaks mountains for Ramza’s character and his place in the Zodiac Brave Story. By making Ramza a weaker hero, he is a much stronger of a character in Final Fantasy Tactics because he is more relatable to his audience.

The first impairment Ramza has is one from birth: He is obviously the runt of the Beoulve litter. If it weren’t enough that he was born from a different mother than Dycedarg and Zalbag, he also struggles from his brothers overprotection as dictated by his late father Balbanes. If his natural disadvantages weren’t enough, he cuts himself from his noble recourses by attack the Hokuten with Delita after Algus killed Teta. All these circumstances show that Ramza is working at a disadvantage at every angle, and doesn’t have the opportunity to earn the powerful ranks that every other knights of nobility learn, proving that he is equal to the every man, he has no chance of learning any superpowers whatsoever.

Ramza’s character and personality are both detrimental to his hero status. Immediately after Teta’s death and attacking the Hokuten, instead of returning to his brothers and face discipline, he runs away. This is not the typical action of your "chase the villain, save the world" kind of hero. When someone kills your may-as-well-be sister and best friend (unbeknownst Delita is still alive) most heroes would go to the source and take immediate revenge. However, because Ramza runs away, he connects with the audience, because if you were in the same situation, and you wanted to live-the best way to do that would be to run away. Ramza knew he did not have the power to revenge his friends, and he went on the lamb to save himself. If any person were in the same situation-and provided they weren’t insane, that is the only real choice Ramza had to make without facing death for treason.

Next, Ramza’s job in the game is a reflection of how he was intended to connect with the audience-Ramza is and remains until the end, a simple squire. There has been much disappointment in the game because Ramza never evolved into something stronger. Indeed, the most popular hacks in this game are to make Ramza a knight with swordskills. However, there is very good and justified reason that Ramza never received a higher rank. He is not noble, or has been knighted with gifts as such. Agrias, Orlandu, Meliadoul, and many others received swordskills because they pledged their allegiance to a higher organization; The Glabados church, the king or queen, or any other higher power. They did not get those abilities because they felt like using them one day. They were gifts given with their titles. Ramza has no title, and therefore is more relatable to the player because without awesome sword skills, he has to rely on more realistic talents, i.e. his communication skills and pure physical strength. Ramza’s job and abilities reflect the fact that Ramza is not a great person-he is a normal man.

Lastly, Ramza’s motives for fighting versus other characters are very different. Meliadoul fought because she believed in the ideals of the Glabados Church. Agrias fought to protect Ovelia and the royal family. Beowulf fought for his love, Reis. All the Knights went into the game with a definite reason to fight. Ramza however did not. He never had a constant or dependable reason to fight. In Chapter One, he fought to honor the Beoulve name. In Chapter Two, he fought to save Princess Ovelia. In Chapter Three he fought to stop an impending war on Ivalice over the throne. And in Chapter Four, he fought to save Earth from being consumed by Lucavi. And even though he had goals, he didn’t achieve all of them. He failed to gain honor to the Beoulve name, and he failed to save Princess Ovelia. Unlike heroes in other Final Fantasies, who knew their enemy near the beginning, or were fooled at the very end as to who the true evil was, Ramza’s goals in life changed, just as a true three dimensional person’s does. And just as a real person experiences failure, as did Ramza.

Ramza was not a typical hero. He expressed feelings and characteristics that were not regular to a leader. He was a coward, he wasn’t a special fighter, and he wasn’t focused. And although all of these characteristics sound like it deters from Ramza’s reputation and character, in reality it adds to it. He won some, he lost some, and in the end, although his existence seems to have little seen effects on the world, he did change it-whether the world knew it or not. I do not disdain Ramza's character and abilities. Because Ramza failed to be the walking tank that most heroes become, I appreciate the fact that this isn’t the accomplishments of a super human, but of the struggle of a common man, which could very well have been you or me.

Once again, I did not write this. Travis King from Icybrian.com did.

I like the name 'Hero' as a class.

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ok everything in what Wiegraf is good and all but, still he spended 3 ch.s with super human heros. he would have learned or come up with new attacks. because you cant spend time like that and, not learn or creating new attacks. and a new class to go with them.

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Well Hero does describe ramza and its short and simple.

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how about Heroic Heretic? or....yeah thats a good one. heroic heretic.

but seriously, maybe he should be called Mercenary, thats what he is, isn't it? bah! what do i know?

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Hmm... well,

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Sinwe he isqthe heretic of a false religion= I really wouldn't consider him to be a real criminal, since all of the High Priests kow that it'sa false religion and ared trying to kill himdfor knowing the truth.

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Mercenary isnt a good one because, he isnt fighting for money, power, or any of the other stuff mercenary work for.

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Mercenary isnt a good one because, he isnt fighting for money, power, or any of the other stuff mercenary work for.

He was a mercenary at the beginning of the game. If you're just going to shoot down everyone's ideas, Spirit, just go away.

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I think that this chat is getting very moronic. Ramza’s job in the game is a reflection of how he was intended to connect with the audience-Ramza is and remains until the end, a simple squire. There has been much disappointment in the game because Ramza never evolved into something stronger. Indeed, the most popular hacks in this game are to make Ramza a knight with swordskills. However, there is very good and justified reason that Ramza never received a higher rank. He is not noble, or has been knighted with gifts as such. Agrias, Orlandu, Meliadoul, and many others received swordskills because they pledged their allegiance to a higher organization; The Glabados church, the king or queen, or any other higher power. They did not get those abilities because they felt like using them one day. They were gifts given with their titles. Ramza has no title, and therefore is more relatable to the player because without awesome sword skills, he has to rely on more realistic talents, i.e. his communication skills and pure physical strength. Ramza’s job and abilities reflect the fact that Ramza is not a great person-he is a normal man.

now when you say "realistic talents" i hope you remember this is a fantasy game with summons and magic and evil demons and devils.


and the heroic heretic doesnt really sound great. its a bit too long and has the hint of alliteration. Hero is just fine.

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