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Honestly fed up with fanboys touting their prefered game and nitpicking at other ones. Find something more worthwhile to argue about, i'm sure everybody values your opinion..

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So few votes for Chocobo Dung?

CoN, I am disappoint.

Anyway, you do realise arguing about arguing won't stop arguing, right? All it does is start a different argument. Personally I nitpick them all. It's just some games have more nits than others. I agree it is a bit silly to ignore faults in your preferred game and ignore the good points in the one you dislike but given that it's all a matter of personal taste there's no way to ever really stop these debates or arguments.

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I personally think that it isn't the posting over the qualities of ff, but passing on subjective matters as fact.

Example:Calling ff6 or ff7 bad is subjective.If you argue to say why that game has flaws, that is a different story, but there are many many topics of that kind, and it quickly becomes old.If for an example you say you played a new game, and it is good and the reasons why with detail ,proving you played it, then that is different from talking about an old subject that has probably been talked to death about, unless you can add something new on the subject.

Recently for an example:I had a conversation with someone, and because they threw insults, i said that either they showed respect, or will receive none.This boy/girl was trashing ff6 and ff7, and calling it bad.I actually defended ff7 by saying this:I'l give you this that it has its flaws, but its still playable and enjoyable.I don't like extremes, and by extremes, i mean people who either completely hate something popular because its popular, or completely loving something and being blinded by their own nostalgia, and unable to be open minded.Example:You see people hate on ff9, and i personally think that while its not my favorite, i certainly like the fact that its a tribute to the old.Is it flawless? probably not, but does it have qualities that are good? of course.

I have many many years of experience with final fantasy, and i will certainly try to spread on my love for ff series to my nephews nieces since i probably won't have children.I think though that some of these people who are hating on it, simply don't like japanese rpgs, and are stating their opinion rather than fact.I do think that japanese rpg style has to evolve in some games past the heroes saving the world, and make truly interesting characters who you can relate to.Having characters with real life problems in situations helps make characters relatable.

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Quote (Del S @ 14th November 2013 12:05)

Anyway, you do realise arguing about arguing won't stop arguing, right?

I don't believe i stated this as my aim.

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If people start arguing on this thread, I am going to throw up.

Quote (RavenLalonde @ 14th November 2013 19:40)

If people start arguing on this thread, I am going to throw up.

Exactly. Because arguing is pointless

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Quote (RavenLalonde @ 14th November 2013 19:40)

If people start arguing on this thread, I am going to throw up.

Exactly. Because arguing is pointless

Arguing won't solve anything if its insulting someone and what they like, but talking about something nicely will, so i'm with you on arguing with someone.

Now if i were to ask you nicely what you thought of let's say:FFXIII-2 and you said you didn't like it, thats a discussion not an argument.

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Quote (MogMaster @ 14th November 2013 23:59)

Quote (RavenLalonde @ 14th November 2013 19:40)

If people start arguing on this thread, I am going to throw up.

Exactly. Because arguing is pointless

Arguing won't solve anything if its insulting someone and what they like, but talking about something nicely will, so i'm with you on arguing with someone.

Now if i were to ask you nicely what you thought of let's say:FFXIII-2 and you said you didn't like it, thats a discussion not an argument.

Right. But that does not apply to this topic, which is all I meant.

Now honestly, guys, I think we have all been giving each other a hard time lately, so maybe all of us need to slow down. We all have opinions, but they do not have to clash. We can like or dislike what we want, and we do not have to quarrel. Let us just be the friendly people that the Caves are known for, and stop feeling the need to prove our points.

This post has been edited by RavenLalonde on 15th November 2013 23:24

The walls of this cave are covered in paintings, not fan art. They're all called " FFXIII SUX LOL " By Magitek_Slayer

So many paintings..

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I kinda like the arguments, bacause you see people giving reasons and i enjoy to read all the posts by the people arguing.



I don't know if that makes sense, but whatevs

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The walls of this cave are covered in paintings, not fan art. They're all called " FFXIII SUX LOL " By Magitek_Slayer

So many paintings..

Heh didn't know i was spamming the site with hate towards FFXIII.

Thought i was posting once in a while about multiple ff games and trying to be insightful.

I kinda like the arguments, bacause you see people giving reasons and i enjoy to read all the posts by the people arguing.

As long as it isn't said to flame someone.I have no desire to go into FFXIII rant anymore.I've beaten it and there is nothing more to say.This conversation isn't directed at at any ff in general, but its talking about all ff games in general.

One of the reasons i asked, is because the first time FFXIV came out, i heard that it got criticism.FFXIII-2 was said to be better than FFXIII, and some reviewers complained about having to buy dlc just to see the ending, and others about the quick time events.I have seen some positive reviews too.

There is of course ff XIII versus which name was changed.It was in development so far for 6 years, and i'm waiting for some news, and hoping for it to be the final fantasy game that i will enjoy and come back to.I am not a complete negativist or hater of modern games.It is just that I haven't really enjoyed any of the newer ff games that i played.

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 16th November 2013 18:48

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Agree 100%. I've never seen fans of any other video game franchise turn on each other the way Final Fantasy fans do over which installment is the best. You don't see Zelda fans arguing Link to The Past vs. Ocarina of Time the way FF fans will argue 6 vs. 7. I think this happens with FF because each main installment is a self-contained world with completely different stories and characters. So there's not the same sense of continuity you get in other game series.

In particular, I've noticed a lot of backlash against 7 recently, with many old schoolers championing 6 as the crown jewel. This probably owes a lot to the divide that 7 established, which is also where a lot of the general disagreement over the direction of the franchise comes into play. 7 turned the series, and RPGs, from a niche genre to the mainstream in the US. It was the first game of the series released in Europe. So for many people, this futuristic style RPG with its Tetsuya Nomura spikey-haired teens was what they expected, and became a staple for future entries Some old school fans have never properly reconciled this change in direction.

But all these games are, ultimately, part of the same franchise, and share similar characteristics. People should focus more on the shared traits that make these games great, instead of focusing on petty differences to validate the superiority of their opinion.

I wholeheartedly agree.

My typing fingers are a little shaky at this point, so I'll just leave it at that.

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Quote (MetroidMorphBall @ 17th November 2013 09:35)

Agree 100%.  I've never seen fans of any other video game franchise turn on each other the way Final Fantasy fans do over which installment is the best.  You don't see Zelda fans arguing Link to The Past vs. Ocarina of Time the way FF fans will argue 6 vs. 7.  I think this happens with FF because each main installment is a self-contained world with completely different stories and characters.  So there's not the same sense of continuity you get in other game series. 

In particular, I've noticed a lot of backlash against 7 recently, with many old schoolers championing 6 as the crown jewel.  This probably owes a lot to the divide that 7 established, which is also where a lot of the general disagreement over the direction of the franchise comes into play.  7 turned the series, and RPGs, from a niche genre to the mainstream in the US.  It was the first game of the series released in Europe.  So for many people, this futuristic style RPG with its Tetsuya Nomura spikey-haired teens was what they expected, and became a staple for future entries  Some old school fans have never properly reconciled this change in direction.

But all these games are, ultimately, part of the same franchise, and share similar characteristics.  People should focus more on the shared traits that make these games great, instead of focusing on petty differences to validate the superiority of their opinion.

Don't forget that ff8 gets more hate than love it seems.I even think some of it is unfair.ff9 too gets hate unfairly, because its a tribute towards the old.Some fans though who started with 9 don't realize that 9 is a tribute to 4 and 1, but do realize the greatness of it.

It isn't just ff6 vs ff7, but ff7 vs ff8 ff6 vs ff7 ff9 vs ff7 ff9 vs ff8, FFX vs ff7 and ff9 and ff6.

Also:Because a lot of people started in the ps1 era, they are more familiar with the newer ones, so you are likely to encounter people who haven't played ff4 or ff6.On another forum, i found a girl who started with the ps2 era, and refuses to play the games because they are old, like:FF6 ff5 ff4 ff1-3 on the nes.

I don't see the kind of bad vibes in other series, like suikoden series and breath of fire.Seems like breath of fire series fans are united, while the ff series are too split up.

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 17th November 2013 13:12

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Yes, they are pointless. That's because the option to vote for mairocrat wasn't available when I voted.

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 17th November 2013 05:11)

Don't forget that ff8 gets more hate than love it seems.I even think some of it is unfair.

Admittedly, I am one of those people. 8 is maybe the only game in the series that I actually disliked playing. However, I have heard many people say it is their favorite, and I don't see it as my duty to convince them that the game actually sucks. People are going to have different opinions, but what bugs me about FF fandom is how much need there is to convince people that their opinion on the series is right and other people are wrong.

It def applies to all the games in the series, I just used 6 and 7 as the most popular example. Those are my two favorite games of all time, and which I like better depends on what type of mood I'm in and which one I feel like playing. The funny thing about the 6 and 7 debate, is that with all the ferociousness of people who choose a side, they'll usually admit that the other game is also pretty good. I think the fandom should spend more of its time recognizing both games as part of the same great series instead of trying to prove which game, and which era, is "better."

I think one of the problems, is that 6 4 1-3 and legends 1-3 were less common, so less popular.Chrono trigger secret of mana were very popular, and 6 eventually gained more recognition to reach the height it is, but 1 is still less recognized, and the reality, is because kids are unwilling to give the old a chance because it is old and dated and pixelated in their eyes.In their minds:Why should i play this game with pixels when i can play this beautiful looking new age rpg with tons of cutscenes? If you actually play them all and appreciate them, and then move to the modern ones, you have more appreciation for what is done in advancement.Voice acting is a big deal, as is cutscenes.If done correctly, they can enhance the experience.

Most of you are older though, and probably connect less with the new age gamers.Ranger 51 is one of the few who likes FFXIII regardless of what others think, which is a good thing.It means two things:

1:He doesn't care about other peoples opinions and values his own.
2:Played it through unbiased.

These are the best kind of reviewers, because you aren't taking worth of mouth from others, or following them because its what is hip to do.

I have seen some who like FFXII, and regardless what others say, say:Try it, maybe you will like it, maybe you won't.

What i don't support, is when i try to open up and be honest, and some become aggressive and start attacking me because they can't take criticism of that one thing if i had posted in an honest and sort of polite manner.I encountered such people before, and it isn't fun to talk to them.If you don't agree with someone, you could always politely agree to disagree.

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 18th November 2013 13:12

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I'd honestly give 13 a go if I felt like I had time.

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To be fair you aren't the worst culprit, Magi, not by a long shot. And i had no right to be such a jerk to you in this thread, I'm sorry.

While a FF forum would be a rather bland place without people going over the pros and cons of their preferred FFs.. The way it happens can be pretty annoying. I didn't make this poll to try and stop it, I just wanted to gauge opinion, and I think the results speak for themselves



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Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 18th November 2013 17:52)

To be fair you aren't the worst culprit, Magi, not by a long shot. And i had no right to be such a jerk to you in this thread, I'm sorry.

While a FF forum would be a rather bland place without people going over the pros and cons of their preferred FFs.. The way it happens can be pretty annoying. I didn't make this poll to try and stop it, I just wanted to gauge opinion, and I think the results speak for themselves

The problem is that these earlier games have been talked to death about.What new is there to say about ff6 or ff7? what about f8 and ff9?

Pros and cons have been done to death, which is why i asked ranger51 to extend the forums reach to newer titles and perhaps i would like to hear more about other square enix games not directly within ff titles, such as:dungeon siege and someone to talk about third birthday perhaps? maybe even the world ends with you.

The results show that people are tired of some people shoving their opinions down others throats.You encounter some rather hostile people who bicker about the most trivial things.

I encountered a person who called ff7 bad and ff6, and praised chrono trigger.It was one of those times where i surprised myself and found myself defending ff7 because i didn't think it merited to be completely hated on.What i'm saying is:Both extreme sides of the coin are bad, and unless someone is willing to be sensible and be open, then its not even worth talking to them.

So there you have it:

Extremes on both sides
Over talked about subjects.



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I do agree that Final Fantasy 8 gets way too much bashing and hate. It can't be everybody's cup of tea, due to a unique battle system and too many love it or loathe it systems like Drawing and Junctioning, but the hate and bashing is just frustrating. And I do believe that Spoony's video ranting on the game didn't help.

The " Lets Jump On the Final Fantasy 7 Sucks, Overrated Bandwagon " stinks too. Same with the " Lets Hate On Final Fantasy 13 Bandwagon " too, FF 13 was flawed but it wasn't that bad of a mess, it's not top Final Fantasy list unless you really love it for personal reasons, but it wasn't bottom tier either, due to likable characters and nice storyline moments, and nice music sometimes as well.

Not everybody can like and enjoy Final Fantasy 7 but the sudden increase of dislike is just so suspicious.

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Admittedly, I am one of those people.  8 is maybe the only game in the series that I actually disliked playing.  However, I have heard many people say it is their favorite, and I don't see it as my duty to convince them that the game actually sucks. 

Thankyou so much for this.

This post has been edited by berryfunny on 28th November 2013 21:52

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