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I'm sort of partial to the Gogo / Kefka thing, so here's what I think... I find a striking similarity to Mote's world in Breath Of Fire, to the WOR in FF3. Mote was pretty much in control of his little world he had, as was Kefka at the point where you meet him before he makes the world go Kaboom and made the WOR. When you finally get to the end of Mote's world you have to challenge him, and Mote's Conscience shows up to help you defeat him. So I'm suggesting, when the WOB was destroyed and the WOR was created, Kefka's Conscience seperated from him and was personified in Gogo. Many of you probably wonder if Kefka even had a Conscience. I for one think he did. When you talk to the dude in Vector in the cafe, he says that Kefka was alright but lost it when Cid tinkered with him, since he was the first of Cid's experiments in infusing people with magic drawn from espers, and the process wasn't perfected yet. So his conscience was in him, it was just hidden under all the lunacy that took over his mind. It's not that hard to believe, I mean Piccolo seperated from Kamei in DBZ. It's not even close to the same circumstances, but you know, Kefka needed everything good out of him to be totally twisted enough to destroy the world. I don't know, I'll stop now before someone attacks me :-x

In a more serious approach, if its not Kefka or some variation/alter-ego/twin/bizzaro of sorts, I don't think it could possibly be anybody else that you've met in the WOB, and Gogo is just who she/he is; possible knight of the previous war of the Magi, or random mime. No one really has a motive a hide their identity, except for possibly Emperor Gestahl. I know this was said before but it wouldn't be smart of him to buddy up with everybody because they wouldn't trust him, so he'd have to hide his identity so he could seek his own little revenge on the Kefka. But I seriously doubt it. I mean he didn't survive the fall. He's an old man, and Gogo doesn't know the spell float when you get him, so that's not gonna save his behind. Shadow could survive the fall though. I mean he's a ninja sorta guy, he could surf interceptor down to the surface or whatever other crafty thing he could come up with.

And completely off topic, I thought Shadow and Relm were bro/sis?

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Gogo is...... SIEGFRIED~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is that possible?

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I still believe Gogo is simply Gogo, but I'm all for reading sensible theories that state otherwise. Also, something just dawned on me...

A little while back at Nuklear Power, one of the Ask Red Mage or whatever topics was about Gogo's identity. Someone brought up an interesting point: Edgar (Gerad) was able to lead the band of thieves because, according to one of the bandits, their old "boss" had an unfortunate run-in with a sandworm. Now, we know absolutely nothing about these guys' former leader, so whether or not he/she could mimic or had an eccentric taste in clothing can't be proven one way or another. This sandworm may have very well been the Zone Eater (who says it has to stay on Triangle Island? It could burrow under the ocean floor) and Gogo could be the ol' head thief! We also don't know how long ago this happened, so he/she could have still been idle for too long.

As for my thoughts: The mention of their old boss and the sandworm does sound familiar. I kept reminding myself to confirm whether or not it's actually said (and I'm pretty sure one thief does say something to that effect anyway), but I stupidly forgot during my last playthrough. I think it's a plausible theory, although I'm not buyin' it. Just figured I'd add it to the rumor mill.

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Gogo is...... SIEGFRIED~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is that possible?

hey!!! don't insult him!!!

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This post has been edited by Neal on 5th September 2004 15:23

Shrouded in odd clothing... is this a man...? ...a woman...? ...or should we ask...?

A mystery that has no true answer and cannot actually be solved, who could Gogo actually be? Has anything turned up in the last seven years that could shed new light on the discussion? Probably not, but here's trying.

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Gogo is Gau's mother. Somehow or other, his father fell in love with a Slam Dancer (which are monsters, not humans. They are, however, skilled at mimicking humans). Eventually, they had Gau. It was an exhausting birth, and she fell unconcious afterward. His father though she was dead, and tried to bury her, but broke down. Returning to the house, he noticed that Gau appeared somewhat monster-like, and threw him out into the wild.

Later, the Slam Dancer recovered and returned to the house, only to find that the man had gone crazy and didn't recognize her. Saddened, she covered herself with all those robes and stuff, and went into hiding.

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On my current ongoing playthrough, this question got me thinking. So here's my take on Gogo's presence in FF6:


Gogo was either unsealed when Kefka moved the statues on the Floating Continent, or a byproduct of the resulting magical explosion. When Kefka tossed Emperor Gestahl off the side of the floating continent and moved the statues, the resulting chaos created many phenomena. While Shadow pincered Kefka between the statues to buy some time, we see magic bursts flying from the statues. One of the bursts landed to the east, creating/unsealing Nerapa, whom the party must battle to successfully flee from the devastation. This could mean that other such entities may also have flown out from the statues, and not all of them may be malevolent. After we "escape" on the airship (or it is broken in half by the chaos), we see several scenes of other bursts of magic flying all over the world.

http://youtu.be/5oywecZc0kY?t=4m9s

At around that time in the video, you see two bursts of energy fly out from the statues, one of which we follow to its destructive landing on an island. The other burst of energy, we do not directly see its path. I submit that this entity, or one of the other energies flying out of the statues, is Gogo, similarly to how Nerapa came out of the statues. Gogo landed on Triangle Island, and at some point over the course of the year, wound up in the belly of a Zone Eater. It certainly isn't unheard of, considering Doom Gaze, Phunbaba and the 8 Dragons were all unsealed in the aftermath.

1) Being a creature of magic, its form is likely not quite human, so it must wrap itself in garments and whatever it could find to appear human to those who might discover it and offer assistance.

2) It aids the party to bring the world back into balance (similarly to Geno in Super Mario RPG coming to help repair the stars), knowing its existence is an aberration of magic.

3) Its ability to mimic comes from the statues. What else could possess such great power to be able to perform all of the strongest abilities of the world's greatest heroes?

4) Gogo cannot equip espers. It would seem that beings born of magic cannot be infused with the power of the espers (Terra being half-human can still use them). Umaro also cannot use espers, but I chalk that up to his nature being much more feral/wild than the rest, shown by his uncontrollable nature in a battle.

5) Gogo is not seen at all during the World of Balance. He is the only playable character not seen in any form or at any time for this part of the game. Even Umaro is visible at the mines of narshe, peeking his head out that cave when you're chasing Lone Wolf and pick up Mog.

Anyways, just thought this idea was fun to toss around.

This post has been edited by TheEvilEye on 30th October 2011 15:08

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On my current ongoing playthrough, this question got me thinking. So here's my take on Gogo's presence in FF6:


Gogo was either unsealed when Kefka moved the statues on the Floating Continent, or a byproduct of the resulting magical explosion. When Kefka tossed Emperor Gestahl off the side of the floating continent and moved the statues, the resulting chaos created many phenomena. While Shadow pincered Kefka between the statues to buy some time, we see magic bursts flying from the statues. One of the bursts landed to the east, creating/unsealing Nerapa, whom the party must battle to successfully flee from the devastation. This could mean that other such entities may also have flown out from the statues, and not all of them may be malevolent. After we "escape" on the airship (or it is broken in half by the chaos), we see several scenes of other bursts of magic flying all over the world.

http://youtu.be/5oywecZc0kY?t=4m9s

At around that time in the video, you see two bursts of energy fly out from the statues, one of which we follow to its destructive landing on an island. The other burst of energy, we do not directly see its path. I submit that this entity, or one of the other energies flying out of the statues, is Gogo, similarly to how Nerapa came out of the statues. Gogo landed on Triangle Island, and at some point over the course of the year, wound up in the belly of a Zone Eater. It certainly isn't unheard of, considering Doom Gaze, Phunbaba and the 8 Dragons were all unsealed in the aftermath.

1) Being a creature of magic, its form is likely not quite human, so it must wrap itself in garments and whatever it could find to appear human to those who might discover it and offer assistance.

2) It aids the party to bring the world back into balance (similarly to Geno in Super Mario RPG coming to help repair the stars), knowing its existence is an aberration of magic.

3) Its ability to mimic comes from the statues. What else could possess such great power to be able to perform all of the strongest abilities of the world's greatest heroes?

4) Gogo cannot equip espers. It would seem that beings born of magic cannot be infused with the power of the espers (Terra being half-human can still use them). Umaro also cannot use espers, but I chalk that up to his nature being much more feral/wild than the rest, shown by his uncontrollable nature in a battle.

Anyways, just thought this idea was fun to toss around.

I dont think there is a lot of evidence to support that theory. For one Gogo says that they have been worshiped (i believe) for far to long and it's time they were to help fix the world. For a long time now i've been working on a theory for both gogo and umaro that they may infact of been espers themselves. While umaro doesn't display natural magic, it could be that he's some kind of esper hybrid that magic was incompatible with.That or it could be that he's been where he was at for so long he's forgotten how to use magic and had to not use it for fear of being exposed. I conjecture this for a couple of reasons, one he cant use Espers which makes sense if he's and Esper. Two you get two powerful espers durning the time you can get him. It is possible that terrato was a friend of umaros that succumed to death and that he was keeping the magicite in honor of his fallen friend. Tritoch was frozen in ice by unknown means and for unknown reasons, it's possible that umaro was to watch over his other friend, but after being in such a harsh climate for so long and not being able to use his magic he could of gone feral and thus forgot his mission. The moogles very possibly could of reconised his latent abilities and decided it would be a good idea for him to help them rather than have him wreak destruction upon him. I also think gogo may be some kind of an esper. Ramha says something about espers being able to disguise themselves as humans. This would allow gogo to have emmense powers while still seeming human. The shrouds could be to hid they're horns or something else that may give them away as an esper that they may not of been able to hide for some reason. This would explain gogo's abilities and the fact that he cant equip magicite as well. It is possible that if both are infact espers in special circumstances that what made them unique (i.e umaro not knowing magic, and gogo's mimicry)

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could have over time erroded there DNA enough to cause them to stay alive while magic is being destroyed.

As far as i can see this would explain both of them almost entirely. Especially because of umaro's human like figure but beastial form.

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I didn't read much but how is banon Duncan? Sabin explained that he's his master and clearly he didn't say a word to banon. Also on an old ass comment. Saying kefka isn't gogo doesn't make sense. They explained that the kefka you fight is a fake. It can't be Gilgamesh since you can fight him in the Colosseum in the gba version. Other than those points I can't really think of anything else.

To Lockes AlterEgo, I do not recall him saying he has been worshipped before. From what I remember, he only mentions that he has been there a "long time". Well, being cooped up inside a monster would make any length of time seem like a long time to me, too! Anyways, Umaro tangent aside, you're mostly agreeing with my theory that he is born from magic, even if it wasn't from the Floating Continent.

I also cite the floating continent incident in part because Gogo is also the only playable character that is not seen at all during the entire World of Balance. While many plot characters disappear entirely after the WoR, just about everybody (except people like Duncan, I suppose) is present in the WoB.

Still, these are all just fun ideas to think about anyway, no?

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The idea of Gogo being unsealed with the rest of the WOR beasts sounds like as good an explanation as any. The leader of the theif gang is an interesting take too.

I don't understand the whole "Gogo is Kefka" thing, and why it persists , though. For me, it's just too much of a stretch, and doesn't make sense to me why I would want to think that I have on my team an immature, psychopathic slaughterer that hasn't exhibited a shred of goodness in the entire story. Just doesn't sit right with me...

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I didn't read much but how is banon Duncan?

The only reason the Banon = Duncan rumor exists is because they share a sprite anyway.

@TheEvilEye: I actually really like that theory.

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For one Gogo says that they have been worshiped (i believe) for far to long and it's time they were to help fix the world.

Assuming you're right about this line, it could be that Gogo is some legendary creature that was sealed by the statues' power. And perhaps after being trapped inside that monster, having no great way to keep 'eir skills sharp, and being stuck for a long while, 'ey've come to the conclusion that they ought not to just use 'eir unusual powers for fun or ego-padding but to actually save the world.

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@Glenn magus harvey: first of all long time no see old chum. Second i could be entirely wrong about that line it's been at least 15 years since i last played the woosly translation of the game. So my memory of it may not be as sharp as it should be. but i seem to remember something along those lines.

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Good to see you too!

Yeah, I should probably dig up a Let's Play of FFVI to check.

Here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYZ6HOaBqEQ#t=3m43s (timestamped at where the party enters Gogo's room)

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Narrator: Shrouded in odd clothing,
...is this a man...?
...or a woman...?
...or should we ask...?

[Gogo naming screen]

CREATURE: I am GOGO, master of the simulacrum...

My miming skills will astonish you.

GOGO: Yes...I have been idle for too long. If I deem you worthy, I'll mime your actions in battle.

[Gogo nods.]

But first you must tell me what you're doing here.

[Long pause.  Then, Gogo makes what seems to be an expression of surprise.]

GOGO: What an unusual tale...

But I sense that you're trying to help make things right again.
This should be fun.
When do we leave?

[Gogo walks into the party.]

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I didn't read much but how is banon Duncan?

The only reason the Banon = Duncan rumor exists is because they share a sprite anyway.

@TheEvilEye: I actually really like that theory.

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For one Gogo says that they have been worshiped (i believe) for far to long and it's time they were to help fix the world.

Assuming you're right about this line, it could be that Gogo is some legendary creature that was sealed by the statues' power. And perhaps after being trapped inside that monster, having no great way to keep 'eir skills sharp, and being stuck for a long while, 'ey've come to the conclusion that they ought not to just use 'eir unusual powers for fun or ego-padding but to actually save the world.

Since I'm on my phone its hard to delete everything else. Dude, rhetorical question. Not t mention you completely ignored the rest that was actually important. Read the rest.......

I read the rest of your comment; it was hard for me to discern sarcasm from straight talk so I just replied to one bit of it and went on.

Yes, I know you discussed Gogo's identity. I just had nothing to reply to that part of your comment. Sorry about that, no hard feelings.

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Gogo has no identity. Its identiy can be whatever you want. Identities in this game are determined by what a character can do in battle. It has what you might call a "Closed Job System." Characters have a job, but cannot change jobs. Gogo is the thing that can do what all the other characters can do by itself, so therefore, Gogo is the other 13 party members in one character, albiet with the world's worst stat table that can't be altered with Esper raising, as the only thing it can't do is equip Espers.

Why shouldn't Gogo be able to equip an Esper? That never really made any sense to me. Perhaps it was to display more prominently its Ability to mimic other characters in the party's learned magic?

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Gogo has no identity. His identiy can be whatever you want. Identities in this game are determined by what a character can do in battle. It has what you might call a "Closed Job System." Characters have a job, but cannot change jobs. Gogo is the thing that can do what all the other characters can do by itself, so therefore, Gogo is the other 13 party members in one character, albiet with the world's worst stat table that can't be altered with Esper raising, as the only thing it can't do is equip Espers.

Why shouldn't Gogo be able to equip an Esper? That never really made any sense to me. Perhaps it was to display more prominently its Ability to mimic other characters in the party's learned magic?

I think the reason for it not being able to equip an esper is because there is no need other than stat raising. You get him in the world of ruin which at that point in the game there isnt a whole lot to do level wise if you've been leveling up right the whole time. Plus gogo has the ability to of learned the accumulated total of magic for all party members. which means if you have one party member with all magic gogo automatically knows all magic. Gogo also has the unique ability to be all characters at once so he doesnt really need the esper augmentation. Finally please refer to my esper theory as it might explain it.


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Probably because he'd be way fucking better than everyone

You say gogo has no identity... so why is gogo being referred to as a he?

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You say gogo has no identity... so why is gogo being referred to as a he?

Ease of reference, rather than typing out "s/he" or "it". The text when you encounter Gogo in FFVI alludes to his/her's ambiguous identity: "Shrouded in odd clothing... is this a man...? ...a woman...? ...or should we ask...?"

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Why shouldn't Gogo be able to equip an Esper? That never really made any sense to me. Perhaps it was to display more prominently its Ability to mimic other characters in the party's learned magic?

Characters couldn't "equip" summons in Final Fantasy V, which may be considered in favour of the theory that FFVI's Gogo is the same as the Gogo that appears in FFV. Like Gilgamesh, when Gogo is "defeated" by following his instructions, it throws itself into the Interdimensional Rift. (It also makes sense from a gameplay perspective, as Gogo's low stats are a trade-off for its high versatility.)

The theory of FFVI's Gogo being the same Gogo from FFV holds credence when you consider Gogo's Desperation Attack, X-Meteo/Punishing Meteor, similar to how FFV's Gogo will triple-cast Meteor on the party if its HP gets too low (the party doesn't use the "correct" strategy to defeat it easily).

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The belief that I've always held (and explored with my only and somewhat unimpressive foray into fanfiction) is that Gogo is a remnant from the War of the Magi.

In my fanfic, the War of the Magi was a lot like Rome during the Empire; a 'world'-wide (known world, that is) civil war in which there were several important generals who ravaged the land, gradually amassing additional power by eliminating the lesser generals. In my story, these generals were called Magi; it was a magical war of course, and each of these generals were particularly 'wise' in the arts of magic. Gogo was one such general, according to my story, whose individual powers far surpassed those of the other Magi. His armies, however, were not so well endowed. Gogo's forces did not grow quite so quickly as those of the other Magi, and so he was defeated in battle.

Upon the defeat of his army, the opposing Magi held a conference to decide what to do with Gogo, who was so powerful that he simply could not die, let alone be killed. Combining their powers, they were able to wipe his mind clean, but they could not eliminate the magical power still very much present in his body (he could not generate the commands himself, but his faculties could still perform them; in short, he could mimic). Realizing then that he was still a great threat if somehow seized by one of the other Magi, the group decided that he must be placed in a secret prison, equipped with several forms of defense, to live in darkness for eternity. (The soldiers that are on the catwalks in Gogo's cave I explained as well: the other Magi placed several guards there, mostly women, and tasked this force with ensuring that there would always be descendants to guard the prison.)

Anyhow, I seem to like the idea; it explains his ability to reproduce any command, explains his odd clothing and his seeming imprisonment. Plus, it ties it all into the War of the Magi, which is neat-o.

I wonder where that fanfic is...

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You wrote a whole fanfic that incorporates the origin of Gogo and the War of the Magi?

I want to see this now.

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You know, that letter near the beginning actually sounds a lot like something square would say. I think I'll try and see if theres a cutscene. I doubt it seeing as no one's even tried to have claimed seeing it in awhile but eh. It's a good excuse to play VI again.
Also, has anyone searched the recent rereleases to see if any new content might help say who, if gogo is anyone besides himeself, gogo really is? yet again. I doubt it but I thought I'd be the one who'd ask.

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When i ponder gogos true identity i remember the description when meeting it. "an odd looking creature dressed in shroud"? ive also heard rumors of a secret ending involving setzer and gogo. the best possibilities ive heard thus far are gesthal and daryl.

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You wrote a whole fanfic that incorporates the origin of Gogo and the War of the Magi?

I want to see this now.

I can't seem to find it :/

I wrote maybe four FFVI-related fanfics, but I don't think I have the files anymore. I'm fairly certain I have hard copies, though I wouldn't be able to search until I go back home for summer.

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