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Quote (Cefca @ 11th February 2011 19:39)

Every game in the series has its complaints and its haters. Sure, some might have more of both of those than others, but that doesn't mean people think they're bad.

Except maybe with X-2.

Pound to a penny, if you'd go to just about any gaming site you'd find more people that like the games than hate them. Obviously there'd be people that hate some of them but I'd be willing to bet it would be a small percentage of the people that like them.

I don't suppose you can help me can you cefca? i'm trying to do the card queen quest and i keep getting the message:This is boring,i'm going to galbadia.

I'm trying to get the first card which is:kiros i think or maybe it was laguna.

I never played x-2 but i heard people rave about the gameplay in x-2 and say it is better than the gameplay in x.

Overall:I just want to experience the game as its intended and enjoy the games i play to their fullest.

If i beat ff8,i probably will never play it again because its a royal pain in the butt in terms of tedious farming.

I also want to replay FF9 and get everything including the gold chocobo and ff7 gold chocobo and defeat the emerald and ruby weapon and i want to beat omega mk 2 in ff5.

And yes there are haters,but there are also some very legitimate reasons to dislike ff8 as well.

Up until disk 2,i felt like i was more enthusiastic to play,but now that i'm at disk 2,i feel like putting the controller down because i have a lot of tedious work to do in farming spells.I was underpowered i think for fujin and raijin and almost got a wipe because i didn't have tornadoes.

I feel that in order to actually accomplish anything in ff8,you absolutely must work your butt off to accomplish anything,but the reward is being overpowered and beating down enemies with ease.

I want to enjoy the game,i want to like it.I don't think any player actually wants to dislike a game or hate it.I think this game is not for the impatient player because if you are impatient,chances are you won't get very far.



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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 11th February 2011 20:00)

I don't suppose you can help me can you cefca? i'm trying to do the card queen quest and i keep getting the message:This is boring,i'm going to galbadia.

I'm trying to  get the first card which is:kiros i think or maybe it was laguna.

You need to lose the Minimog card to her. If she's gone to Galbadia, she'll be at the Deling City hotel.

You're saying you're not enjoying FFVIII because of supposed "tedious farming" yet you want to do things like getting the gold chocobos and defeating the superbosses which involves a lot of, you guessed it, tedious farming.

You don't have to farm spells if you're struggling against bosses. Do what you'd do in any other FF and level up. You don't even have to spend lots of time getting the spells; if you've levelled up a decent amount, you'll have plenty of items you can refine into powerful magic. Pretty much the only times I ever spent a long time trying to get spells was when I was either trying to get some of the good spells as early as possible or trying to top up my most powerful spells at the islands closest to heaven and hell.

The only way you're gonna overpower yourself is if you farm all the powerful spells and don't level up which, unless you're doing a level one challenge or something, I doubt will happen. Enemies level up as you do so you can't really overlevel.


One thing is confusing me though. You're saying FFVIII is underrated, yet you hardly even like the game. Does not compute.

This post has been edited by Cefca on 11th February 2011 22:37

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If i beat ff8,i probably will never play it again...I want to enjoy the game,i want to like it

=> QED, you're not particularly enjoying the game.
Title of thread => "FF8...underrated"

My brain itches.

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If i beat ff8,i probably will never play it again...I want to enjoy the game,i want to like it

=> QED, you're not particularly enjoying the game.
Title of thread => "FF8...underrated"

My brain itches.

Because i was enthustiastic to getting a card,but my enthusiasm is vanishing by disk 2 and its becoming a chore to me.

I want to find the will to finish but i am getting bored quickly.


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So basically, much like the MGS thread, you've completely gone back on what you said in the first post?

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So basically, much like the MGS thread, you've completely gone back on what you said in the first post?

Not really:

I really enjoyed metal gear solid 2 and think its a very good game and that people often hate on it because its starring raiden instead of snake.

FF8 though:i have to force myself far more to enjoy it than i do with mgs2.


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personally, I loved ff8, because I understand Squall. I had the same thing happen to me. That and the fact that both ff8 and ff10 had probably the BEST love story ever told. They were both so underrated.

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I could relate to Squall too, but I sure as hell didn't like him. It reminds me of when I read The Catcher in the Rye. I completely understood Holden, but throughout the entire book, I wanted to punch his bratty face in.

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the fact that both ff8 and ff10 had probably the BEST love story ever told.

*ring ring*
Hm? Hold on, lemme get that.
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Yeah, it's some Shakespeare guy. Something about two teenagers who fall in love and end up killing themselves. I dunno what he's talking about.

This post has been edited by Insegredious on 13th February 2011 09:17

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Quote (Insegredious @ 13th February 2011 09:00)

I could relate to Squall too, but I sure as hell didn't like him. It reminds me of when I read The Catcher in the Rye. I completely understood Holden, but throughout the entire book, I wanted to punch his bratty face in.

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the fact that both ff8 and ff10 had probably the BEST love story ever told.

well... after getting to the whole scene where you find out they are all in the orphanage,its like something from a soap opera,its done in such a way that its corny and predictable.

Interesting thing you said about characters you admit are good but hate absolutely.

Kefka:Think he is a great character but i hate his guts because he's so sick and hunts people down and is rather frightening at how clever he is.
Hojo:He was pretty creepy in the original ff7 and almost as creepy in the second one.

Dr clamp:You know something is wrong with this guy in parasite eve and he is up to something.I hated him but it was loving to hate him.

Characters like seifer raijin and fujin are just characters which seem to have little to no depth.Edea talked seifer into doing it by calling him a little boy and questioning his manhood and brainwashed him.Overall he just wants attention and rebellious to get attention and his way,the sort of behavior you would see in children.




This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 13th February 2011 15:50

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FF 5 is very underrated yes, while kind of think that FF 8 is middle ground. It has it's huge amount of haters as much as lovers. FF 10 however is kind of pretty much loved by the fans, it brought many new players into the series, into Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy 10 is kinda like VII, it's special to many people because it was their first Final Fantasy. I understand where your coming from with V, but with FF8 and FF10 not really.
If you want underrated Final Fantasies they would be FF2, FF3 and FF5.

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Quote (Insegredious @ 13th February 2011 04:00)

I could relate to Squall too, but I sure as hell didn't like him. It reminds me of when I read The Catcher in the Rye. I completely understood Holden, but throughout the entire book, I wanted to punch his bratty face in.

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the fact that both ff8 and ff10 had probably the BEST love story ever told.

*ring ring*
Hm? Hold on, lemme get that.
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Yeah, it's some Shakespeare guy. Something about two teenagers who fall in love and end up killing themselves. I dunno what he's talking about.

Although I don't agree with Cactuar 100%, I firmly believe that Final Fantasy X is a better love story than Romeo and Juliet. I swear, R+J just boils down to: "two emo kids meet at a party, go all horny for each other, get married after less than a day, something goes wrong, kill themselves because their new eye candy is dead."

I admit, that's exaggerating, but I honestly felt that Romeo and Juliet never really shared any connection beyond "ur h0t," whereas with Tidus and Yuna's relationship progressed more naturally - although there was an attraction from the start, they started out thoroughly in the "buddy zone" and didn't start doing anything romantic until they knew each other.


Oh, and Friar Lawrence should have been the main character. The entire play would have been SO much better if it revolved around him having to deal with the annoying antics of these bratty teenagers.

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I could relate to Squall too, but I sure as hell didn't like him. It reminds me of when I read The Catcher in the Rye. I completely understood Holden, but throughout the entire book, I wanted to punch his bratty face in.

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the fact that both ff8 and ff10 had probably the BEST love story ever told.

*ring ring*
Hm? Hold on, lemme get that.
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Yeah, it's some Shakespeare guy. Something about two teenagers who fall in love and end up killing themselves. I dunno what he's talking about.

Although I don't agree with Cactuar 100%, I firmly believe that Final Fantasy X is a better love story than Romeo and Juliet. I swear, R+J just boils down to: "two emo kids meet at a party, go all horny for each other, get married after less than a day, something goes wrong, kill themselves because their new eye candy is dead."

I admit, that's exaggerating, but I honestly felt that Romeo and Juliet never really shared any connection beyond "ur h0t," whereas with Tidus and Yuna's relationship progressed more naturally - although there was an attraction from the start, they started out thoroughly in the "buddy zone" and didn't start doing anything romantic until they knew each other.


Oh, and Friar Lawrence should have been the main character. The entire play would have been SO much better if it revolved around him having to deal with the annoying antics of these bratty teenagers.

I haven't played FFX yet, so I was refering largely to VIII. I'll explain my reasoning further when I'm not typing on a PSP.

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Yeah, I know typing on a PSP is a pain, but was your response really that high-priority that it couldn't wait a few hours? -R51

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Sorry about that, Josh. I was in bed and half asleep when I wrote that, and I just wanted to let folks know that I was still in the discussion.

This post has been edited by Insegredious on 17th February 2011 18:46

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Quote (ZidaneTribal @ 15th February 2011 09:15)

If you want underrated Final Fantasies they would be FF2, FF3 and FF5.

I agree with this statement. FF2 is only a package deal with select re-releases of FF1, FF3 is only on one damned handheld (which the whole situation with that game makes me mad. Why redo the whole game to make it adaptable to a new system and technology that wasnt even around during the time the actual game was released instead of releasing it on a system that has the rest of the first 9 games on it?). FF5 has had a bit more attention but still under appreciated.

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Quote (Insegredious @ 13th February 2011 04:00)

I could relate to Squall too, but I sure as hell didn't like him. It reminds me of when I read The Catcher in the Rye. I completely understood Holden, but throughout the entire book, I wanted to punch his bratty face in.

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the fact that both ff8 and ff10 had probably the BEST love story ever told.

*ring ring*
Hm? Hold on, lemme get that.
...
Yeah, it's some Shakespeare guy. Something about two teenagers who fall in love and end up killing themselves. I dunno what he's talking about.

Although I don't agree with Cactuar 100%, I firmly believe that Final Fantasy X is a better love story than Romeo and Juliet. I swear, R+J just boils down to: "two emo kids meet at a party, go all horny for each other, get married after less than a day, something goes wrong, kill themselves because their new eye candy is dead."

I admit, that's exaggerating, but I honestly felt that Romeo and Juliet never really shared any connection beyond "ur h0t," whereas with Tidus and Yuna's relationship progressed more naturally - although there was an attraction from the start, they started out thoroughly in the "buddy zone" and didn't start doing anything romantic until they knew each other.


Oh, and Friar Lawrence should have been the main character. The entire play would have been SO much better if it revolved around him having to deal with the annoying antics of these bratty teenagers.

I haven't played FFX yet, so I was refering largely to VIII. I'll explain my reasoning further when I'm not typing on a PSP.

Hello, compy box!

I certainly agree with the characters of Romeo and Juliet not really having any development in their relationship, but at least there was conflict in the form of the feuding families. The protagonists are basically, "hay sexxy wuts up" while the universe is basically, "Hey, you want this happy relationship? *CRUSH*"

With Squall and Rinoa, I feel that there was no real, lasting conflict. The game and characters act as if the two are TROO LUV and are meant to be together no matter what.
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Take, for example, the battle between Balamb and Galbadia Gardens. During one of the collisions between the two, Rinoa falls off Balamb Garden and is left hanging on for her life. The other party members, being unable to save her, go to Squall and insist that he does it. Squall states (correctly, IMO) that he's leading Balamb in the battle, and that he has responsibily over the lives of everyone in the Garden; he can't leave his post to try and save one life when there are countless other lives at stake. Granted, that's a very difficult decision, and I hope I never find myself in such a situation, but to quote our good friend Mr. Spock, "logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." The party members, though, INSIST that Squall HAS to be the one to save her (why they think he would be able to do it when they couldn't is beyond me).

After Squall does manage to rescue Rinoa and make their way to Galbadia Garden, there's a shot of the two running past countless Garden students slicing each other with gunblades and zapping each other with spells. After they make it to an entrance of the Garden, what do they do? They immediately start flirting. I quite literally yelled at the TV screen, "YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE. CUT IT OUT."

Also, look at when Ultimecia!Rinoa releases Adel (who I'm convinced is actually a dude). Rinoa is floating out in space, and Squall leaves the escape pod in order to try and save her, despite having no plan to get back to safety. Bold? Yeah. Stupid? Definitely. Romantic? I guess; depends on who you ask. What annoys me, though, is that nobody else, not Ellone, nor whichever party member you have with you, nor what's-his-face from the Lunar Base, even TRIES to stop Squall and his suicide jump. It's that kind of illogical, "the two lovers are meant to be together for EVUR ND EVUR no matter what happens to the rest of us" writing that I hate, and it's one of the numerous reasons I hate the Twilight series.

Also, after they get back to safety, Esthar imprisons Rinoa for being the next Sorceress, and Squall becomes determined to go and save her. I saw it coming from a mile away, but hey, I have no problem with it. After they save her, though, it would have been entirely possible for the gang to be on the run from both Esthar and Galbadia while simultaneously trying to defeat Ultimecia. Hell, there could even have been a revolt in Esthar - the citizens want Rinoa imprisoned, while Prez Laguna has her freed in order to help defeat Ultimecia. Ta-da! Conflict!! But instead, Ward shows up at the Sorceress Memorial and goes "yeah, we're cool, don't worry about it" and the game continues as if it never happened.

This post has been edited by Insegredious on 15th February 2011 18:08

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I agree that VIII is not the greatest love story, but it's not awful. Some bits were good. It's certainly better than X. The problem with the love story in X is that it's unbelievably awkward throughout. Yuna and Tidus seem to be permanently uneasy around each other. Yuna usually stands rooted to the spot making a few noises but not really saying anything. Tidus is loud and walks around making poses that seem to be the symptoms of severe awkwardness. I understand that they wanted to make their relationship as realistic as possible, and therefore Yuna should be uncomfortable if a pretty boy likes her, but it goes on for hours, hours of awkward cutscenes. I suppose X is like two 12 year olds going through the motions that they've seen on TV but not really understanding what they're doing, or why they're doing it.

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X is widely regarded as one of the best games in the series, so I definitely don't think it is underrated. It might be overrated, though.

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I agree that VIII is not the greatest love story, but it's not awful. Some bits were good. It's certainly better than X. The problem with the love story in X is that it's unbelievably awkward throughout. Yuna and Tidus seem to be permanently uneasy around each other. Yuna usually stands rooted to the spot making a few noises but not really saying anything.

I admit i didn't care much about the relationship with yuna and tidus,but the bit that interested me was the part about racism and all about indoctrination or the will to believe anything the church(bevelle) threw at them.

Like:The whole thing with maquina being evil and it wasn't maquina that caused sin to exist,it was something else.


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Perhaps those games are good games, great games, but unlucky games. FF5 fell right in between FF4 and FF6: two of the most critically acclaimed 2D JRPGs of all time. And for Americans, since it wasn't originally released here, it has a great potential to be overlooked.

FF8 is rather obvious. One of the biggest blockbusters in gaming history was released just before it. FF7 was the game that brought the entire genre into the mainstream and was many people's first.

FF10 was quite a change in style, and was released just after all of those great games. People often do not respond well to things which are different.

Maybe these games are great, but they just had bad timing.

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Quote (BlitzSage @ 17th February 2011 21:17)

Perhaps those games are good games, great games, but unlucky games. FF5 fell right in between FF4 and FF6: two of the most critically acclaimed 2D JRPGs of all time. And for Americans, since it wasn't originally released here, it has a great potential to be overlooked.

FF8 is rather obvious. One of the biggest blockbusters in gaming history was released just before it. FF7 was the game that brought the entire genre into the mainstream and was many people's first.

FF10 was quite a change in style, and was released just after all of those great games. People often do not respond well to things which are different.

Maybe these games are great, but they just had bad timing.

That is precisely part of my thinking blitzsage.

FFX i feel is a little better than ff8 though because the junction system ties you down and slows the gameplay too much.


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Look, I don't know how you think FFX is underrated. It's one of the best-selling PS2 games. It won that giant Famitsu poll that everyone and their mother posted on various forums a few years back. It still gets serious forum activity and traffic on any-game forums like Gamefaqs. It's also the second-bestselling Square, Enix, or Square-Enix game ever, after VII. It also got positively stellar reviews, with almost a 92% aggregate rating on gamerankings.

EVERY POSSIBLE INDICATOR shows that FF X is extremely popular. It is a high-selling, fan-favorite, much-beloved game. There is next to zero solid evidence to the contrary. Your perception of the game's popularity is a misconception. Calling FF X underrated is almost as silly as calling FF VII underrated.

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EVERY POSSIBLE INDICATOR shows that FF X is extremely popular.  It is a high-selling, fan-favorite, much-beloved game.  There is next to zero solid evidence to the contrary.  Your perception of the game's popularity is a misconception.  Calling FF X underrated is almost as silly as calling FF VII underrated.

FFX also gets a lot of haters too.FFX game is one of those games that is a mixed bag except that i don't feel its as bad as some people claim or the best either like some claim.

FF7 i'm not going to talk about it here since this topic isn't about that game.

You guys said it yourself,there are fanboys in all sorts of final fantasies:

FF7:For me this game is the one with the most fanboys due to having the biggest fanbase,also has the worse fanboys.
FF8:There are few but there are some who claim the best game ever.
FF6:Same thing who make it overhyped.
FF4:i've seen some hype it a bit.
FF9:There are people who love ff9 who seem to make it a bit overhyped.
FFX:Same as ff9.Difference is,i like ff9 and ffX and try to enjoy some parts of ff8 even though they annoy me to no end(junction system as an example)

I think even FF2 on the nes can be enjoyed if you really want,and i also think the game can be less annoying to an extent than ff3 on the nes with that stupid 2 step encounter and not being able to run GRRRRR.

Anyways,i don't think FFX deserve as much hate as it gets and it feels like sometimes people are just are being elitist snobs who think they know everything.As i said,i feel some people criticize too much and bash on it,and other times they over praise a game.


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EVERY POSSIBLE INDICATOR shows that FF X is extremely popular.  It is a high-selling, fan-favorite, much-beloved game.  There is next to zero solid evidence to the contrary.  Your perception of the game's popularity is a misconception.  Calling FF X underrated is almost as silly as calling FF VII underrated.

FFX also gets a lot of haters too.FFX game is one of those games that is a mixed bag except that i don't feel its as bad as some people claim or the best either like some claim.

Ah good, so FFX isn't underrated. Some people just don't like it. A lot like everything else in the world. Like I said all that time ago, you're not going to convince anyone who doesn't like the game that it's better than they think. You'll have to just accept that some people don't like it and probably never will. Whether you also accept that a great deal of gamers, FF fans, reviewers and critics rate this game very highly is entirely up to you, but bear in mind that the evidence is strongly supporting this point of view. This is not a discussion. If you're just vaguely glancing at this and are about to type, please at least read this: Outspoken critics do not speak for the fans as a whole. Remember about the 'silent majority'.

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FF10 was quite a change in style, and was released just after all of those great games. People often do not respond well to things which are different.

I don't think that's what happened, from what I've read and seen. We've been saying throughout this thread that a lot of people really like FFX. Those who don't like it think the main character is unlikeable and annoying, the VO is bad, the story itself is uninteresting, the long cut-scenes with very little going on are tedious, some of the music is awful (Overworld), and so on and so on. Your point fits a lot better with FFXII, where I think the majority of criticism is that the changes are either for the worse, or not like a traditional FF game.

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FF10 was quite a change in style, and was released just after all of those great games. People often do not respond well to things which are different.

I don't think that's what happened, from what I've read and seen. We've been saying throughout this thread that a lot of people really like FFX. Those who don't like it think the main character is unlikeable and annoying, the VO is bad, the story itself is uninteresting, the long cut-scenes with very little going on are tedious, some of the music is awful (Overworld), and so on and so on. Your point fits a lot better with FFXII, where I think the majority of criticism is that the changes are either for the worse, or not like a traditional FF game.

Well, I almost said that FFX was actually very popular, but I didn't want to continue the argument that appeared to be blowing up in this topic.

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