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I used to be a huge fangirl of FF VII and used to think that it was the most amazing game in the world that was ever created in the supreme universe. But now I'm just so sick of it. I'm so sick of FF VII and the over hyped attention that it gets.

The fans of FF VII are destroying it. I used to be one of them, but I noticed how amazing FF IV, V, VI, VIII etc are and that FF VII is not really as good as it seems.

But FF VII fans seem to think that Sephiroth is the best villian ever and they all seem to think that Cloud and Zack are the most coolest and they play the other games and they don't seem to have a open mind. They just have a " well I don't like it, because it's not FF VII " attitude. Or a " It's not as good as VII " opinion

Don't mean to rant. But it's getting really frustrating and annoying. It's like they don't see the effort SE put into FF IV. The comic relief and the amazement of the job class that's in V. Or how FF VI has better characters and better musical themes. Even FF VIII has better romance between the main characters.

In FF VII it looks like Cloud doesn't really give a care about Tifa at all, and in FF VIII the growth and change and the developing into love between Rinoa and Squall was shown really well. FF IX has better characters than FF VII. Mean just look at the development and the inner strength of characters like Vivi, Freya and Garnet. And I don't really like FF X but I have to admit that FF X does show better sorrow and emotional scenes than FF VII. Yeah Aeris dies, but Tidus is warped into a different relm and is forced to follow strange rituals and he finds out the person he falls in love with is on a suicidal mission and he realizes that he'll might have to watch her give up her life.

I'm annoyed and frustrated that some FF VII fans can't see the magic of the other games and they dislike the other games because " Zack rides a motorbike which is cool therefore he's better ". It's extremely frustrating.

That felt good to get out of the system.


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VII isn't too bad. It's not a fantastic game (in fact, there are some moments that are downright awful), I'd put it probably around the middle as far as games in the series go, but there's some interesting concepts buried under a bad translation and questionable graphics. Actually in Jenova it has one of my favourite villains in video games, though I admit that I'm too easily swayed whenever a game features some sort of Lovecraftian cosmic horror as an antagonist. People do tend to give the game more credit than it's worth, but to be honest part of me agrees with them, if only because without VII, we wouldn't have ANY of the RPGs that came after. I remember when the game came out and it literally changed the face of video games overnight, I think the only game that made a bigger impact in the industry was the original Super Mario Bros. Actually if you ask me what the real problem is, it's that the JRPG hasn't evolved past VII at ALL. Take a look at XIII for instance; it almost felt to me as though Squeenix was trying to emulate VII in story and atmosphere as closely as possible without actually remaking the game, which is an alarming thought. JRPGs are stagnating right now and actually being beat out by WRPGs due to this mentality, and they'll continue to stagnate until they leave VII behind and stake out something totally new and unique.

Point being, I guess, is don't hate VII for the fanboys, don't hate it for the embarrassing necrophilia Squeenix is performing on it with prequels, sequels, and games that might as well be sequels. Look at it as it is, a pretty neat game that made people pay more attention to RPGs. Are there better RPGs out there? Unequivocally. But that doesn't make it bad.

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I posted in another thread why ff7 got bad reasons and its because ff7 fanboys are basicly zombies of the ff7 series and blindly follow eachother and make themselves believe lies that are not true.

For instance:If you dislike ff7 and think that cloud as ac haracter is badly developed and so is sephiroth,immediately the fanboys will say well:

1:you didn't grow up with it
2:you didn't play it
3:you are just saying that to be a bandwaggoner
4:you are just saying that because its better.

These kinds of excuses i hear all the time and they are not true,

A lot of people dislike it for legitimate reasons and those legitimate reasons boil down to this:

The characters and story is nowhere near as well told or developed as ff6.

It isn't a bad game but it has a lot of flaws that keep it from being near perfect or even perfect.


Second of all:Games are meant to be enjoyed,not praised and worshipped and put on a pedestal.

That is why i can go back to old games like:FF1 on the nes and those who actually say they like it and its good are real gamers who are playing the game for fun,not because they are joining a ff7 cult or ff6 cult who are worshipping and praising the game.

And in the fanbase if there are people who like ff7 legitimately but aren't part of that cult and enjoy it,then i say that at least someone gets the point of why videogames are made.

I am sure there are plenty of ff7 fans who aren't fanboys and like the game itself because they enjoyed the gameplay and even story,even if it has flaws.


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lt's true that when good games are populer, a lot of people think it's good because it's populer instead of the other way around. lt's the same with films like The Godfather and Citizin Kane. They're great films yes, but come get over it. lt's not like nothing will get any better. l run into so many fanboys, especially on the internet, that are all "Halo is the best game ever!" or "FFVII is the best game ever!" when l was kid it was "Mortal kombat is derp de derr!".

There will always be great games and those who praise them. Thankfully we have the power to simply tell them "l disagree. lt's a very good game, but l personally think Lode Runner is the greatest game ever."

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FF6 and FF7 are good games and fun games themselves.

But if you curl up into a ball and narrow your perspective to 1 or 2 games,you are limiting yourself to a very narrow view,and there is no excuse to do this at all.


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I can understand this, as I tend to turn against things with a lot of hype as well. Luckily, since nowadays I only visit CoN out of all the old FF sites, I hardly ever see any of this.

Probably the most frustrating manifestation of this for me is when the game is referenced for some reason outside of the videogaming community: in more of a pop-culture realm, that is. Whenever I see this type of thing come up, FFVII is often the only game mentioned, or at least the one with the most attention. That's a bit of a shame to me simply because there are so many other good games under the FF banner that get ignored. In fact, that's my biggest hope for a future final fantasy: that it is good enough to inspire players on a larger scale to look back at the older ones.

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"Mortal kombat is derp de derr!"

Oh yes it is.

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This is just my perspective, but it seems to me that certain Final Fantasy games are so dissimilar from each other in style and execution that they're hardly comparable. The only real comparison you could make is between battle systems and how the stats are handled, and things like that.

It seems to me that Final Fantasy VII was the biggest deviation from the classics. Before then any technology that was featured in the game was steam powered, at the most advanced. FFVII was the first to feature electronics, and ventured fully into the steam-punk realm as opposed to the high fantasy of earlier FFs. They also got rid of Amano's character designs, which contributed a lot to the spirit of the games.

Don't get me wrong, FFVII is a great game, but it lacks the things that I think made the NES and SNES games great. I don't consider it a Final Fantasy so much as I consider it a Final Fantasy spin-off. It's no surprise that people who played VII first will not find themselves at home with the preceding games.

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For instance:If you dislike ff7 and think that cloud as ac haracter is badly developed and so is sephiroth,immediately the fanboys will say well:

1:you didn't grow up with it
2:you didn't play it
3:you are just saying that to be a bandwaggoner
4:you are just saying that because its better.

Well, as with any major hatedom there are of course bandwagoners who have'nt actually played the game.

Cloud being whiny and emo, however, is a charge used often by people who aren't fans of any of the series, and just use Cloud as a convenient figurehead to represent the series. Frequently, Terra is also cited as being whiny and emo.

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For instance:If you dislike ff7 and think that cloud as ac haracter is badly developed and so is sephiroth,immediately the fanboys will say well:

1:you didn't grow up with it
2:you didn't play it
3:you are just saying that to be a bandwaggoner
4:you are just saying that because its better.

Well, as with any major hatedom there are of course bandwagoners who have'nt actually played the game.

Cloud being whiny and emo, however, is a charge used often by people who aren't fans of any of the series, and just use Cloud as a convenient figurehead to represent the series. Frequently, Terra is also cited as being whiny and emo.

Glenn, any character that doesn't eat bullets for breakfast and floss with barbed wire is whiney and emo.

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Come on now: by all means, think less of the crazed fans; by all means, make your own judgement about a game; but actually turning against a game itself because of the fanbase is something I've always found ridiculous.

I hear it around here plenty, particularly with regard to certain modern franchises, and I used to know a lot of people who had much the same attitude towards certain music. I find I tend to have a much bigger problem with "anti-fans" who act a certain way out of dislike for a fanbase than "fanboys" themselves, to the point that this small group of idiots has made me dislike anybody who criticises anything ever. (Ho ho, do you see?)

FF7, like any other game, is what it is. By all means, debate over the subjective quality of the title itself, but don't let the fanbase colour your judgement of the original product one way or another.

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Glenn, any character that doesn't eat bullets for breakfast and floss with barbed wire is whiney and emo.

Well, I guess Cid (Highwind) and Barret are wannabe badasses, Vincent is just an emo goth vampire guy, and Red XIII is a pacifist tree-hugging hippie. And let's not get started about that teddy-moogle-riding cat...

At least it can be said that Cecil is pretty darn badass. He can survive a Big Bang. Cid (Pollendina) too.

In seriousness, though, I think that the FFVII cast is nice and varied. I just don't like some of their more outlandish ideas, such as Cait Sith.

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To be honest, Final Fantasy VII WAS a good game, but as aforementioned, it's just too many people who have a limited view. God, FF7 was teh lulz at times, but at the same time, it was 13 years ago

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Well, as with any major hatedom there are of course bandwagoners who have'nt actually played the game.

Cloud being whiny and emo, however, is a charge used often by people who aren't fans of any of the series, and just use Cloud as a convenient figurehead to represent the series.  Frequently, Terra is also cited as being whiny and emo.

Possibly.

But there are also more people who actually don't like ff7 because of the games cast.

I htink for instance that games improve in somethings and worsen them in others.

For instance:when ff5 came out,it improved gameplay and worsened story.

When ff6 came out,for me it worsened gameplay slightly and improved the story and characters dramatically

And for me:ff7 improved the gameplay pace and made more things to do but the characters were not focused and the story has a lot of problems due to focus as well.

This focus i speak of,is because,the characters take a back seat to tifa cloud and sephiroth and get no development so to speak of.

They get their mini cutscene which explains their personality,but even then,they are not honed and well defined.

What i loved about ff6 was the internal development that was't told through the story and each character was developed and had their backstory that may or may not be related to the main plot,like gau's sad story and locke's love tale with rachel.

There are also a lot of scenes that help add development to the characters via comedy scenes that show them acting a certain way and doing things.

The comedy comes out quite well and makes them charismatic.

Cloud was a bit too dry and humorless and seemed very bland.

I could get into cecil's story but ff7 characters just seemed as bland as dry white toast.

Yes some people make stupid videos.

There is a video on youtube by a guy named:miraclekd18.

I criticized this guy's video hating on ff7 because he didn't point out any flaws at all,all he did was he did was say:it sucks,like it or DIE!! and play ff6 music.

It was absolutely terrible and didn't actually point out any real ff7 flaws.

To me,videos like these bring nothing to actual discussions and if you are going to discuss something,make an actual point.


This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 5th November 2010 22:38

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Turns out The Spoony One really covered the majority of the gripes I've had with the game. Be wary though, in his rant regarding the unhealthy fan obsession with the FF series in general and FFVII specific, he shows some friggin explicit fan art. It's all pixelated mind you but it's still 'can't unsee' territory. You have been warned.

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Turns out The Spoony One really covered the majority of the gripes I've had with the game.  Be wary though, in his rant regarding the unhealthy fan obsession with the FF series in general and FFVII specific, he shows some friggin explicit fan art.  It's all pixelated mind you but it's still 'can't unsee' territory.  You have been warned.

That gets on my nerves so bad. I stopped listening after I heard him say "I don't necessarily hate FFVII. I just hate the people who obsess over it." And then he went off forever without giving any criticism for the actual game. And it only got worse when he did actually try to give criticism. How can you not like something because other people like it? I do think there is legitimate criticism of the game, but I could care less about AC, or cosplay.

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Well I got ya covered there Blitz. Basically the shit characters/story in this game pander to that crowd and since it was so popular due to the size of said crowd, the series since then has continued to wallow in shit characters/story. Hence, they are to blame.

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That gets on my nerves so bad. I stopped listening after I heard him say "I don't necessarily hate FFVII. I just hate the people who obsess over it." And then he went off forever without giving any criticism for the actual game. And it only got worse when he did actually try to give criticism. How can you not like something because other people like it? I do think there is legitimate criticism of the game, but I could care less about AC, or cosplay.

To Spoony's credit, he does say that he made the video just to fool around, and he doesn't really hate the game like he lets on, that the review is part of a large review of VIII and he goes through some sort of wormhole to an alternate universe where he hates VII and not VIII. In fact I think elsewhere in his review of VIII he gets misty-eyed thinking of Aerith's 'iconic scene'.

That being said, 1994-era Spoony crying to VI's opera actually made me laugh out loud...'LOL' if you will.

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There will always be great games and those who praise them. Thankfully we have the power to simply tell them "l disagree. lt's a very good game, but l personally think Lode Runner is the greatest game ever."

Though some of the extreme FF VII fanboys still won't listen to this kind of comment. They'll usually say something that comes the lines of " Well I don't really care, enjoy your lame Lode Runner. FF VII is still the best game ever ".
Which is another reason why they can be extremely annoying. Extremely !!

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Don't get me wrong, FFVII is a great game, but it lacks the things that I think made the NES and SNES games great. I don't consider it a Final Fantasy so much as I consider it a Final Fantasy spin-off. It's no surprise that people who played VII first will not find themselves at home with the preceding games.

This actually makes alot of sense. FF VII was different from the usual finding crystals and legendary warriors of light before it. It can kind of seem why FF VII fanboys can go back on the original FF games and not have the same feelings and enjoyment with they did with FF VII. Still really, is it a excuse ? I mean. FF IV and FF VI are magical ! How could you favor something like Crisis Core over it ?!?

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To be honest, Final Fantasy VII WAS a good game, but as aforementioned, it's just too many people who have a limited view. God, FF7 was teh lulz at times, but at the same time, it was 13 years ago 

Don't really think that it's the age and the time difference that's the main factor. Crisis Core, DoC and Advent Children are the ones to blame. FF 7 fans these days just see Cloud and Vincent as 'emos' and Sephiroth/ Zack as the 'coolest things ever'. Not to mention fighting is now done DBZ style in the air.
Once upon a time. FF 7 used to be a enjoyable RPG, now it's just bombed with things that are considered "cool ". It's annoying because the FF 7 see the other Final Fantasies differently, or rather "uncool". Zidane has a monkey-tail and he rides no motorbike so they dislike FF 9. FF6 has old cranky graphics and Terra isn't cute and puppy-eyed like Cloud. So it sucks.

It's very annoying. It's like FF VII fans won't like FF 6 unless Celes grabbed a machine gun shot Kefka with some grenades while flying in the air for FF 7's fans to like it. It's annoying and stupid.

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FF VII may be a favorite RPG of mine, but I agree that It is far from being the best RPG ever.(that title belongs Unlimited SaGa IMHO)

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It's very annoying. It's like FF VII fans won't like FF 6 unless Celes grabbed a machine gun shot Kefka with some grenades while flying in the air for FF 7's fans to like it. It's annoying and stupid.

Skipping over the pedantic point that you're presumably referring to only the specific "blinkered" FF7 fans discussed in the topic... does it matter? Why should they like FF6?

People choose to like and dislike games for all sorts of absurd reasons. Some people are put off when the main character can turn into a helicopter, as if that's the most nonsensical thing in the game!

It's a bit irritating if they keep bashing your own preferred gaming choice in the process, but isn't this whole thread doing the same to them? Seems like fair play.

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It's very annoying. It's like FF VII fans won't like FF 6 unless Celes grabbed a machine gun shot Kefka with some grenades while flying in the air for FF 7's fans to like it. It's annoying and stupid.

Skipping over the pedantic point that you're presumably referring to only the specific "blinkered" FF7 fans discussed in the topic... does it matter? Why should they like FF6?

People choose to like and dislike games for all sorts of absurd reasons. Some people are put off when the main character can turn into a helicopter, as if that's the most nonsensical thing in the game!

It's a bit irritating if they keep bashing your own preferred gaming choice in the process, but isn't this whole thread doing the same to them? Seems like fair play.

How is this for a reference:

Trying to enjoy a game for what it is tiddles?

Its just a game and even though ff4 isn't my favorite,i enjoy it.

Even if ff9 isn't my favorite i still try to get the most out of it,why? because it is just a game.

If you would rather be a mindless zombie who follows ff7 like a cult and curl up into a ball and ignore everything before it,you are missing out on history of how the game became what it is and what made it great.

I am not saying that you can't like it,i'm saying get the most out of it and enjoy what you can of it,be open minded and play a game with the intentions of enjoying it regardless.

I played ff7 about 3-4 times and beat it.

I didn't like it but i admit that it has flaws,my problem is:the ff7 fanboys won't admit that ff7 has flaws and build a moat around it and act all stupid when someone points out a valid flaw.

FF8 gets next to no love and you know what? i tried to enjoy it,picked up the control with intentions of having fun over and over but couldn't get into it.

At least i tried,many ff7 fanboys don't even try to pick up the control and enjoy ff9 ff6 ff4 ff8 FFX or even ff5.


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Someone should make a graph of FFVII love against time. So negative numbers are hate and positive numbers are love. It just seems that it becomes fashionable to hate/love FFVII as time goes on. Right now people hate it and in a while people will be hailing it as the greatest again.

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Its just a game and even though ff4 isn't my favorite,i enjoy it.

Even if ff9 isn't my favorite i still try to get the most out of it,why? because it is just a game.

Well, congratulations, you are a true god among men, then.

You're ignoring his point entirely. There are blind fanboys out there for FF7, and indeed LOTS of things. By continually posting things like you do, you are absolutely no better than them. For people who don't believe in fanboyism in either direction, you look just as stupid as they do. And you do.

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Its just a game and even though ff4 isn't my favorite,i enjoy it.

Even if ff9 isn't my favorite i still try to get the most out of it,why? because it is just a game.

Well, congratulations, you are a true god among men, then.

You're ignoring his point entirely. There are blind fanboys out there for FF7, and indeed LOTS of things. By continually posting things like you do, you are absolutely no better than them. For people who don't believe in fanboyism in either direction, you look just as stupid as they do. And you do.

Why is it that i criticize ff7 fanboys and i get bashed for it?

All i am saying is:Not everybody who criticizes ff7 a fanboy of ff6.
You know,there is a reason why it gets a lot of slack ranger51,and that reason is because people are tired of it getting showered with praised and treated like be all and end all of games and the others are ignored.

If you asked me what the cause of the war between ff6 ff7,i would say in a clear voice:

The reason for the war is this:FF7 gets showered with praise and defended religiously and the game characters are already tired.

And to add kindle to the fire,the fanboys also attack people who complain about this and tell them that they never played the game like me or not a true gamer and or that they are bandwagoners.

These ff7 fanatics caused the game itself to get hatred because of their arrogant nature and then ff6 fanboys started doing the same as they did but opposite:

the extreme haters of ff7 would say:FF7 sucks bla bla bla could emo bla bla bla as said above me and then praise ff6 or ff4 or ff9.

This caused the regular fans to become ff6 haters.

And if you combine this,the ff7 fanboys fuel the hatred for ff6 fans who are angry because the game gets ignored and ff7 continues to be praised and the fanboys ignore it and only stick to 1 game.

But their attitude towards ff7 is the wrong way to pursue the game because:all it does is add more fuel to the flame and give ff7 fanboys more fuel.

So this is a never ending stupid war and in the end they are both just as arrogant and immature.

In fact,they are both faintly childish for doing this.

And the reason i spoke against this graph is this:It won't show how many people are actually annoyed by ff7 getting showered with praise and other games that deserve just as much attention or more get ignored,or how many ff7 fans who actually like the game being tired of the tired sequels prequels and appearances in kingdom hearts.

What about bartz? cecil? zidane?

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Why is it that i criticize ff7 fanboys and i get bashed for it?

Because it's hypocritical. It's no better to bash people who are vocal fans of one thing than it is to be one of those vocal fans. You say yourself you're bashing them, which is a childish response. They're video games, why does it hurt you if someone likes to talk loudly about their favorite, just because it's not yours? Note, this is a rhetorical question. Your answer isn't all that relevant.

EVERYTHING has vocal, annoying fans. You don't see me going and whining about people who scream for Justin Bieber on a forum for Justin Beiber fans - it would just be a bit absurd to go in there and think anyone would care.

Or, perhaps a better analogy. I have a Xbox 360. I'm very happy with it, even though I'm not super-excited to have to pay a monthly or yearly fee for the best online features. However, there are plenty of people with PS3s that like to tell people like me that I made a bad choice because I have to pay extra money. I COULD get into stupid arguments on the internet about that, but I don't. Why is that? Because I've decided that their opinions can't change whether I'm happy with my purchase or not.

I think there are better games in the FF series than 7, and I've thought that for over a decade, at least. The difference between me and you in this situation is that I decided long ago that if people don't agree and want to be irritating about it, I don't want to waste my time arguing it. Nothing ever changes, so I spend my time on something more useful. None of what you're arguing makes a bit of sense to me except among irrational people, and I frankly think you're one of them, no different than the people you're trying to judge.

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And this is why I try to avoid responding, because the point has been completely missed. Oh well.

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Why is it that i criticize ff7 fanboys and i get bashed for it?

Because it's hypocritical. It's no better to bash people who are vocal fans of one thing than it is to be one of those vocal fans. You say yourself you're bashing them, which is a childish response. They're video games, why does it hurt you if someone likes to talk loudly about their favorite, just because it's not yours?

Now you are just being presumptuous that i am attacking ff7,when my real complaint is about the fanboys themselves and not the game.

See,my problem is:ff7 fanboys keep crying about ff7 getting a lot of hate and keep crying about it but then they make up stories as well and make up an excuse to hate on ff6 which is just as stupid.

So in the end they are being just plain childish and stupid.

If they don't realize,then maybe they should stick their head in an oven and kill themselves because nobody wants a drama queen.

The same pretty much goes for those ff6 fanboys who bash ff7 and cry later why ff6 gets slack.

Its not rocket science,negative actions=negative reaction.

My complaint is not about people who say my favorite game is this or that,my problem is people who try to shove their opinions down other people's throat because they are deluded egotistical fanboys.

People basicly like egotasticripoff who completely defeat their own purpose because they do the same and act worse.

If in a baseball game you slur insults at my team and act rudely,does that mean i should act even worse than you? no i shouldn't,because that would be lowering yourself to their standards and making yourself even lower.

That is basicly what ff6 vs ff7 war comes down to.

You say:my favorite team is the lakers.
Other guy:My favorite team is the other team

You:i like this and that about the team
Other guy:you just say that to be a bandwaggoner

See? thats just immature.

The constitution may protect freedom of speech,but how far is too far where you begin to violate other people's rights?

Also:at least here in a forum there is less chance of encountering hostile comments and trolls. Why? because we have moderators.

People also sometimes act a way because they are on the internet,and they have no faces and it is a lot easier to be brave on the internet and act a certain way when nobody knows you.


This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 6th November 2010 16:46

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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

There's a war? Really?

As far as I can see, this topic was originally about FF7 supposedly becoming devalued due to ignorant superfans, and the merits of other games they don't see. How you've managed to morph this into history's most pointless war, I have no idea.

Could I humbly suggest that anyone who thinks they're in such a "war" maybe look into a more constructive hobby?

Also:

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So in the end they are being just plain childish and stupid.

If they don't realize,then maybe they should stick their head in an oven and kill themselves because nobody wants a drama queen.

It wouldn't hurt to look at how those sentences read next to each other. It'd be easier without the Stay Puft™ sentence spacing, but there you go.

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Someone should make a graph of FFVII love against time. So negative numbers are hate and positive numbers are love. It just seems that it becomes fashionable to hate/love FFVII as time goes on. Right now people hate it and in a while people will be hailing it as the greatest again.

It's interesting how things change over time. Ten years ago everyone loved VII. Maybe five years ago or so people started really turning against VII and embracing VI. Nowadays I see a lot of people hating on VI and the cool game to play is IX. Eventually the only Final Fantasy anyone will like is FF Legend 2, mark my words. After all, that game has that riveting banana smuggling subplot!

This post has been edited by trismegistus on 6th November 2010 18:45

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It's interesting how things change over time. Ten years ago everyone loved VII. Maybe five years ago or so people started really turning against VII and embracing VI. Nowadays I see a lot of people hating on VI and the cool game to play is IX. Eventually the only Final Fantasy anyone will like is FF Legend 2, mark my words. After all, that game has that riveting banana smuggling subplot!

Or perhaps people will no longer believe in final fantasy series and buy something else.

Honestly,FFXIII also gets a lot of bad publicity and FFXII was already hated by many.

If you think about it,it seems like squeenix are running themselves into the dirt.

Another issue:There seems to be people who only care about pretty graphics,so games like ff7 and ff8 are old fads and the new fad would be FFXIII and crisis core and ff dissidia.

And since a lot of people dislike FFXIII,that means that the game gets a whole lot of negative reviews from fanbase.

Remember how games like final fantasy 4 and final fantas 5 and final fantasy 1 are no longer touched because they have bad graphics?

Well,by todays standards,Final fantasy 7 was 13 years ago and it doesn't have those pretty graphics everybody goes googoo gaga for.

Frankly,i find this offensive as graphics don't make the game and people should play the game for good gameplay story and character development.

Now i kind of feel sorry for old games as they will base it solely on pretty graphics.

As far as I can see, this topic was originally about FF7 supposedly becoming devalued due to ignorant superfans, and the merits of other games they don't see. How you've managed to morph this into history's most pointless war, I have no idea.

Could I humbly suggest that anyone who thinks they're in such a "war" maybe look into a more constructive hobby?

Well... If a person bashes a game and the other person is immature and gets mad over it and decides to get veangance on that other person who likes a game who is immature himself,he is acting just as bad as the first person.

In this case:

FF6 and ff7 fanboys try to rationalize their actions against eachother when it boils down to this:He said ff7 sucks,i'm going to troll him and then bash him

Then the ff6 fanboy will be like this:He bashed ff6 because some other guy bashed ff7,i'm going to so pwn that guy by trolling him.

See? it doesn't work,all it does is spiral the situation out of control and heat up the tension between both sides because they are stupid and opinionated.

Its just like the fans at the stadium watching a football match in spain or england.

They will slur nasty words at eachother and start fights,but in the end,they are all just as bad as the other.

This is just a message against the fanboys.

ff7 itself:Well,i think it kind of devalued itself as squeenix turned final fantasy 7 into a joke of a franchise by selling out and using it as a cash cow and ignoring other games.

I'd say that there are even some ff7 fans who are angry about dirge of cerberus and advent children and that other ff7 movie that i can't remember the name.

There was even people who complained that it was the sequels prequels and 2 movies books that ruined the game's image plus the appearance in kingdom hearts.

I don't know if its true or not that people worship cloud and sephiroth due to advent children,i don't honestly know anyone like that.

I do have a friend who liked ff7 but he liked the original game and doesn't speak of the movie.

On a forum,they talked about fanboys loving the advent children version and hating the game and how the whole emo thing comes from advent children.

Once again,i don't know because i haven't met any ff7 fanboys in person nor ff6 fans in person.

i know like:maybe 5 people who like ff7 and i don't consider either of them fanboys.


What i am trying to get to is:I'm not all very sure about the fanboys in general's image on advent children because i haven't talked about it a lot and i have heard a few times on forums and in chat it being said that its responsible for ff7 becoming overrated and creating retarded fanboys.

What i was trying to get to is:the retarded fanboys who overhype ff7 the franchise and ff7 the game itself is what gives it a bad name.

There are a lot of ff7 fanboys who tend to ignore other games which may be better or just as good and many people feel this is rather unfair that it gets credit when sometimes ff7 takes some things from previous games that it claims it invented.

No its not a bad game,but when you overhype a game like ff7 or ff6,there will be consecuences and it does kind of devalue and demerit the game itself.

For me honestly.the answer would be to forget about ff7 and ff6 and move on to games unexplored,because making sequels and prequels which ff6 already has several remakes and ff7 has a ton of prequels sequels and remakes,then games like these are going to be kind of tired.



This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 6th November 2010 19:13

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Giant wall of nonsense.

Actually, despite whatever reviews the games received, both FFXII and FFXIII sold extremely well and Square is far from "running itself into the ground." Games like Final Fantasy V and the other less 'mainstream' games actually have seen just as many remakes, ports and have gained a fair amount of attention in their own rights. FFV had a huge modding scene for quite some time, nearly all the Final Fantasy SNES titles have been ported both to the playstation and to the Gameboy Advance, some also onto the Nintendo DS ( and, hilariously enough, III and IV received graphical updates, which completely negates this idea of people strictly being interested in graphically superior Final Fantasy titles.) Didn't IV get it's own sequel as well? Weren't all the main characters of each game featured in Dissidia?


I don't want to touch this make-believe fanboy war you're apparently so adamant about, because you're acting exactly in the fashion you present these people as behaving and not making any real, valid point about anything at all other than fanboys exist and are irrational. Thank you for that insight, I'm sure we all have learned something here. Now, can you please get over it? Fanboys exist for literally every franchise known to man and, shockingly, are an underwhelming minority in each case. Therefore, their opinions are irrelevant on any scale and if it concerns you so much that they act this way, I'd suggest finding better ways to spend your time. Let's drop it, shall we? You said it yourself that you've never met any of these people, so you're basically speaking for nothing and operating under a mountain of assumptions. I think we'd all be happy to agree that fanboys are stupid, but they have absolutely zero influence on the thing they fanboy over, thus they do not reduce the value of a game, or any other product. Period.

Personally, I love Final Fantasy VII. I thought it was a brilliant game for it's time and I enjoyed playing it a great deal. Was it the best game ever? No, not by a long stretch. I wouldn't even call it the best Final Fantasy. It was, however, enjoyable as a game, by it's own merit and I will not change my opinion on that just because Square decides to make thirty other games under it's title.

Do the spin-offs take away from the quality of the game itself? No. They don't. At least, not by my reasoning. They might not be all that great (Dirge of Cerberus) or blatant fan-service designed to cash in on the popularity of the game itself (Advent Children/Crisis Core) and maybe the over saturation of the series is getting a bit out of hand. In that respect, I completely understand anyone's frustration, even to the point of not wanting to go back to the original game. However, we don't judge Empire Strikes Back because Phantom Menace was godawful, and I think that should extend in kind to the Final Fantasy series. I will agree with you on only one point, Magitek, and that is Square should absolutely be focusing on new content, fresh titles and creating brand new games for their fans to enjoy. Not just in terms of new Final Fantasies, but maybe in terms of starting something new. Last Remnant had potential, I'd like to see more work like that being done.

Or, drop everything and give us another Chrono-game. Seriously, Square, get on it.



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