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I was thinking about this character,and people discredit him too much.

He really deserves somewhat more credit as the sick villain he is.

Anyone who experiments on their own son for science not even caring about the effects on their own son or wife,i'd say they are pretty insane and pretty sick people.

I'd dare compare hojo to doctor lugae and other game scientists.

Even in crisis core he kind of gives me this creepy vibe the way he laughs and kind of looks at you planning something.


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Can you post some sources of people who "discredit him too much?" I would like to read the justification for your theory.

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What i mean is,people don't treat him as a villain or a main plot key character.

He is extremely important to the story as he is responsible for sephiroth going mad.

He made sephiroth a victim of circumstances and go on a killing spree.

People treat him as if he was unimportant and not all evil.


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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 19th July 2010 08:07)

What i mean is,people don't treat him as a villain or a main plot key character.

He is extremely important to the story as he is responsible for sephiroth going mad.

He made sephiroth a victim of circumstances and go on a killing spree.

People treat him as if he was unimportant and not all evil.

Who? I've never heard anybody brush Hojo off as unimportant.

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In youtube some people only concentrate on sephiroth.

There are some misguided folks who don't give enough credit to the little bad guys.

Well... they aren't so little really.


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It's...youtube...No one actually gives a damn about the game there. They just go for the Sephiroth FMVs 'cause people tell them they should like them

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Quote (R8.50 Mango @ 21st July 2010 13:27)

It's...youtube...No one actually gives a damn about the game there. They just go for the Sephiroth FMVs 'cause people tell them they should like them

Its just that,i like to look at the characters and villains.

Hojo in ff7 is much much more important than doctor lugae in ff4.

He is a key plot character,without him,things wouldn't fit.

He is also the devil incarnate because of how selfish and egotistic he is.

Sephiroth while has some interesting elements,he became insane because of him.

professor gast was moral,at least more moral than hojo.

There are some things he would not go to.

Then you got shinra,selfish egotistical.

All he cares about his profit,he doesn't give a shit about the world.

He is a multinational president and he is just as bad as umbrella.

Rufus himself is not much better than his predecessor(shinra)

Guggenheim or however its spelled(the guy in shinra in charge of weapons)

Is not a nice guy at all either,all he cares about is making weapons of destruction and profit.

Cornelius is an asshole,but he's small change in comparison to the guys who i mentioned above who have no value whatsoever for human life.

That is part of the games story is,little to no value for any life whatsoever.


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what i dont get is why they didnt kill hojo at the beach in costal del sol.

cause they could have killed him there and been done with that but insted there like sayin they shouldnt and not here but like there already fugatives and on the run so why not ??

However important Hojo is to the plot, sadly, he doesn't look as cool as Sephiroth and thus anyone taking a quick gander at the game doesn't notice him, especially with all the Sephiroth fans going around.

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I love Hojo, personally. He's got so much more potential to be an interesting character than Sephiroth. Sephiroth is cool, sure, and he's hard to kill, etc etc, but Hojo is an evil genius. That's...much more interesting. I think so, anyway. Unfortunately, FF7 didn't expound on him enough; the whole Vincent thing gave the most background to his character, but it was a hidden event. It's actually a big part of the reason I liked Dirge of Cerberus; more Hojo, and even a look into Lucrecia's life. Good times.

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Quote (Cecil the Paladin @ 5th August 2010 11:03)

what i dont get is why they didnt kill hojo at the beach in costal del sol.

cause they could have killed him there and been done with that but insted there like sayin they shouldnt and not here but like there already fugatives and on the run so why not ??

Think about that from a practical standpoint. They're running from Shinra, not from Costa Del Sol. And at that point, that is the only port they have. If they lose that, things could be worse. They can't just make enemies everywhere. Also, at that point, he's quit.

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if it was up to me i would have killed hojo at costa del sol and put him on the shinra ship before it left

Quote (Cecil the Paladin @ 6th August 2010 05:39)

if it was up to me i would have killed hojo at costa del sol and put him on the shinra ship before it left

... And then you would have to run away from Costa Del Sol, ruining what cover you have and the one port you have.

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Well, in that case the plot would be about fighting Shinra instead of about chasing Sephiroth around.

Which might have been better, with Jenova as the plot's Zemus.

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yeah i no but thats just me

and i wouldnt compare jenova and zemus cause u hear about jenova at times througout the game but in ff4 u only learn about zemus' existance just before the end of the game

Wait, you mean people don't like Hojo? How does that even work; the guy's frakin' awesome!

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 6th August 2010 13:06)

Well, in that case the plot would be about fighting Shinra instead of about chasing Sephiroth around.

Which might have been better, with Jenova as the plot's Zemus.

This DOES sound like a game I'd enjoy playing...but then again I'm very pro-JENOVA and pro-Hojo, both of which are wonderful antagonists and deserve more screen time than they get. I guess JENOVA as Zemus implies that she wouldn't get much/any screen time till the end, but I could dig it if she made up for it then.

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They're running from Shinra, not from Costa Del Sol.

For all intents and purposes, they're one in the same. Shinra governs almost the entire planet, you know. You don't think the adjacent port to their biggest wartime military installation (Junon) would be under their control?

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They're running from Shinra, not from Costa Del Sol.

For all intents and purposes, they're one in the same. Shinra governs almost the entire planet, you know. You don't think the adjacent port to their biggest wartime military installation (Junon) would be under their control?

Yes, but let's say the game allows you to kill Hojo, or try to attack him. It would probably mean that Costa's own police force would chase you, and keep a lookout for you. Of course, that's all hypothetical. I'm just guessing that the game would force you to flee if that were an option.

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Well, in that case the plot would be about fighting Shinra instead of about chasing Sephiroth around.

I figured that was the plot anyways. Their main focus was Sephiroth, but they were also clearly against Shinra the whole time also. But I suppose I agree that more focus on Shinra might've been better.

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I think Shinra was a better villain to drive the plot than the vague threat of Sephiroth.

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 8th August 2010 15:35)

I think Shinra was a better villain to drive the plot than the vague threat of Sephiroth.

I have to agree there. I like the idea of the evil corporation messing up the world with their greed. That's why, I think, the best segments of the game, where it stood out, was when they were in Midgar. They could've done much more there. I agree.

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I think Shinra was a better villain to drive the plot than the vague threat of Sephiroth.

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Sorry, accidental double-post.

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 7th December 2010 06:48

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Agreed there.

Sephiroth was a pretty weak plot connection and overall was a lacking villain.

He had some presence,but he hardly ever showed himself in person and when he did,he didn't say a word.

Only lines you hear that actually are his:The part before the fire where you are with him and he goes to the town where cloud grew up.

Also,i didn't like cloud either.

Truth be told,i found him really unlikeable.

Going back to the subject:

Hojo in crisis core gives you this creepy feeling as you play as zack.

I'm not sure if any of you felt this way,but as he makes that training room experiment and laughs about it and is secretive,that is just creepy.

He is just plain creepy and evil overall and has the perfect motivation for people to hate him.


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I'm really sorry for this double post ranger51,don't give me a warning please?

Going back to hojo,it seems as if he's a bit creepy.

In crisis core,we see hojo plotting stuff and when you enter the vr session chamber during your time in midgar,it seems as if he's plotting something and has some sort of sinister plan because he giggles and just comes out as plain creepy.

I kind of feel sorry for the main hero.

He also knew the test was dangerous but he did it anyways because it amuses him which proves just how sick he is.



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ok first of all squzre einx did not give hojo enough credit he should of been more of a third final boss you fight at the center of the earth or the path there he was in fact the man reason that all of this happened if he did not exist ff7 would of been completely different

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Ill totally agree that Hojo is one of the most under-rated (or at the least not talked about) villains in FFVII.
I never really thought ShinRa was a good villain, just irresponsible and greedy...

Quote (AlphaMart @ 6th December 2010 21:02)

Ill totally agree that Hojo is one of the most under-rated (or at the least not talked about) villains in FFVII.
I never really thought ShinRa was a good villain, just irresponsible and greedy...

Rufus sure is good at speaking,he seems to be full of himself,then again,so does shinra.Both shinra and rufus seem to be self centered and egotistical,or at least narcissists.


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Yeah with the exception of perhaps 'Gya haa haa' and 'Kya haa haa' (who are incidentally my least favourite VII characters) ShinRa are just greedy and corrupted.
Do you reckon Rufus would have ordered Sector7 destroyed like his daddy did?

Quote (AlphaMart @ 7th December 2010 13:06)

Yeah with the exception of perhaps 'Gya haa haa' and 'Kya haa haa' (who are incidentally my least favourite VII characters) ShinRa are just greedy and corrupted.
Do you reckon Rufus would have ordered Sector7 destroyed like his daddy did?

Wait i thought that was that general guggenheim or whatever his name was?
The guy who was called to have a horse laugh.
Hmm i'm not sure,maybe he would destroy sector 7 since he seems to have pretty similar interests in economy as shinra.



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gya haa haa was Heidegger if i am not mistaken, and kya haa haa was scarlet. i find gya haa haa easier to spell lol.

What was that Rufus quote though that summed up as- i will not rule with money and power like my father but with fear- or something like that.