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For me:Final fantasy 2 because of the exploits,especially ff2 advance which doesn't even allow you to run away from fights



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5 due to the fact that i was under leveld using bad classes, although none of the final fantasies are really hard all the way through. they have their moments but overall, pretty easy

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I thought about putting down FFV, but I really didn't care for that game at all and didn't do much training, so that is probably the reason why it was more difficult for me.

So, I decided not to vote. FFX had a few tricky boss battles, and I definitely had a few tough spots in FFVIII, but I haven't played tactics or FFII, so I'm probably not in the best possition to evaluate anyhow.

If I had to pick from any FF though, I'd definitely go with FFXIII. I've died many more times in that game and I've had to devote more time to training during the story than any other FF.

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Quote (Death Penalty @ 17th April 2010 17:08)

If I had to pick from any FF though, I'd definitely go with FFXIII. I've died many more times in that game and I've had to devote more time to training during the story than any other FF.

although, it should be mentioned that dying in ff xiii is incredibly easy, as the whole game is over if your leader bites the dust

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Hm...I voted II, but it's really only hard because of the mechanics. V could be rough, but ITS mechanics could also trivialize the game. I guess IV is probably the actual toughest game, but I still had the most trouble with II.

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Hm...I voted II, but it's really only hard because of the mechanics. V could be rough, but ITS mechanics could also trivialize the game. I guess IV is probably the actual toughest game, but I still had the most trouble with II.

I am beating ff2 right now.

During the first half of the game up until mysidia,the game is extremely frustrating.

Once you get to mysidia,enemies become even more annoying because of the negative stat spells like:

Stone
darkness
muddle

The stupid imps almost caused me to wipe and cause my hp to go up even faster.

I forgot another really hard game:

FF1 legends

ff1 ff2 and ff3 legends are for gameboy i believe and can be pretty frustrating.

In these games,you have several choices:

Mutant humanoid and robot

Robots cannot mutate,humanoids are good at melee and mutants are great at spells.

I beat ff legends 1 and the final boss:Creator and all the mini enemies can be quite frustrating.


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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 18th April 2010 05:13)

ff1 ff2 and ff3 legends are for gameboy i believe and can be pretty frustrating.

Interesting fact: Akitoshi Kawazu, the guy who created the Legend games, did the game design on FFII, which is probably why both contain unique stat advancement mechanics as compared to the rest of the series.

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I also wish to add worlds easiest boss in final fantasy history:

Emperor of palomecia:2-3 hits and he is dead

I literally used the blood sword and he was dead so fast.

Last hit did like 6000-8000 dmg in 1 ht and he was gone.

quote(quismeguistus)
Interesting fact: Akitoshi Kawazu, the guy who created the Legend games, did the game design on FFII, which is probably why both contain unique stat advancement mechanics as compared to the rest of the series.

Interesting..

The leveling system is very different in ff legends game.

In fact i don't even think there is a true level system because it is based on mutations instead of levels.


This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 18th April 2010 16:29

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Pfft they all easy

But FFIV bored me sssssssso that getsssssssssss my vote (for thossssssssse of you who havent played FFIV this is how SSSSSScarmiglione talksssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss)

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Quote (R8.50 Mango @ 21st April 2010 17:44)

Pfft they all easy

But FFIV bored me sssssssso that getsssssssssss my vote

What does this have to do with hardest gameplay?

and alot of people liked FFIV,so it is your opinion.

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 21st April 2010 21:14

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I must go with V, but that's because I always get a bit confused when the game lets to much customization opened for the player, i mean, there are so much possibilities that i end up advancing in the game using some cheap strategies, and suddenly every single random batle seems impossible.

ps: FFXIII is the easiest (as far as the story battles), but in a matter of seconds, it can become nearly impossible.

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Quote (Kirchewasser @ 22nd April 2010 02:38)

I must go with V, but that's because I always get a bit confused when the game lets to much customization opened for the player, i mean, there are so much possibilities that i end up advancing in the game using some cheap strategies, and suddenly every single random batle seems impossible.

ps: FFXIII is the easiest (as far as the story battles), but in a matter of seconds, it can become nearly impossible.

I can't wait till you get to omega weapon.

I am going to be waiting eagerly to see how you react when you get killed easily.

The gameplay of ff5 is not hard,it is the battles against some of the bosses themselves that are designed to be annoying and have techniques that are difficult.

The gameplay in ff2 for the nes on the other hand is ridiculous.

The reason is because the game design and level design.

Just think about it:

50% of the time you cannot run away,and when you can you have a terrible time running away and get hit.

To add all of that,you must use magic alot.

Enemies like icicles are high on defense and fire hurts them.

Enemies like skeletons and zombies cast paralize and dark which can hinder you and in the end cause your demise.

Worse part is that there are tones of curves and dead ends in rooms and paths.

The rooms that are dead ends have 400% encounter rate and the regular rooms already have a encounter every 2-3 steps.

Also you will probably want to buy ethers worth 2500 gold each early in the game because you use so much magic or raise your magic to about 100-150 early on because of the amount of magic you use.

Then when you do get your spell the game becomes a whole trucload of cheap attacks.

I mean toad mini and death are instant death moves and toad and mini target all enemies.

Toad and mini even work on some bosses and optional encounters.

Even when you do get mini and toad,you will probably still find it somewhat difficulty because of the enemies who cast spells like stone and dark with regular hits.

Generals hit for 500+ hp per hit and hurt you good

There are also enemies like lamia and fiends who cast charm on you who make you hit your own team and can cause a easy death to you.

The bosses in ff2 for the nes are ridiculously easy though,and it is actually getting to them that is hard.

FF tactics advance is really hard because,you run into obscene rules like:no fight and you have to turn your warriors into shabby mages that do not know how to fight with magic and cause you death.

If you do break the rules,a character gets a red card regardless of the enemy dying and the enemy stays dead.

Your character goes to prison and is taken out of the fight the moment he breaks the rule.

If all your characters were to go to prison,it is game over instantly and the enemies win.





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Have to vote Final Fantasy II on the Nes. For these reasons.

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50% of the time you cannot run away,and when you can you have a terrible time running away and get hit.

To add all of that,you must use magic alot.

Enemies like icicles are high on defense and fire hurts them.

Enemies like skeletons and zombies cast paralize and dark which can hinder you and in the end cause your demise.

Worse part is that there are tones of curves and dead ends in rooms and paths.here are also enemies like lamia and fiends who cast charm on you who make you hit your own team and can cause a easy death to you.

Final Fantasy V comes second place though. Oh my gosh.

This post has been edited by ZidaneTribal on 27th April 2010 11:27

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[QUOTE] Zidanetribal Final Fantasy V comes second place though. Oh my gosh.

Yeah ff5 does have some really tough bosses.

I personally found omega to be ridiculously hard and x death was pretty difficult as well.

I think though that final fantasy tactics advance is harder than ff5.

I have a terrible time early on because of the stupid laws that are just plain insane.

in fact ff tactics would be up there for me as one of the hardest ff games due to the laws.

Hmm i am at the final dungeon of ff3 nes

Pretty hard dungeon and a enemy named qumqum cast doom and break 2 fire 3 ice 3 bolt 3.

break 2=instant stone spell and doom instant death.

And there is a really annoying big ugly enemy that casts only break 2 named platinal.

He does it often.

He is a purple plate knight.

The rest of the enemies in the sylx tower or whatever it was called are just physically strong and take quite alot of hp.

The stupid robed casters named qumqum are the worse.

Flamedevils cast flame or something like that and it hits the whole team for alot and they come in groups.

The problem is,i get lots of back attacks with qumqum and sometimes they get first attacks and it is pretty devastating because they kill half your team or most of them.

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 1st May 2010 20:24

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I'd have to say VI. I couldn't even FINISH the last dungeon

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Quote (Smash Genesis @ 6th May 2010 17:13)

I'd have to say VI. I couldn't even FINISH the last dungeon

The GBA version? I didn't finish it either, but that wasn't because of difficulty. Mainly, it's because I missed the SNES version's music.

This post has been edited by BlitzSage on 6th May 2010 21:59

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I'd have to say VI. I couldn't even FINISH the last dungeon

The GBA version? I didn't finish it either, but that wasn't because of difficulty. Mainly, it's because I missed the SNES version's music.

I still would like you to play ffIV for ds and go through the game.

You are going to die quite a lot early in the game because those tiny mages are just mean.

I found yunalesca from ffx to be a little difficult because she casts death on the team.

Seymour can be very mean sometimes in his ghost form.

I bet the dark eons are really hard.

dark ifrit dark sheva dark yojimbo.

Did you beat them smash genesis?



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I didn't play X International, or the PAL release. I played the Greatest Hits American release.


@BlitzSage: I played the PSX port. It's identical to the SNES original, right?

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Of the choices given, FFII seems to be the hardest for players to stand playing, so as a result it's kinda the black sheep in the series.

I've never heard much about FFX being hard, and I've even heard about FFVIII being easily game-broken by the first disc.

Tactics Advance is extremely easy, especially if you powerlevel early (and it's extremely tempting to do so because the random clan battles are just so much fun).

IV and V are somewhat harder, but nothing insane.

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Quote (Smash Genesis @ 6th May 2010 19:27)

@BlitzSage: I played the PSX port. It's identical to the SNES original, right?

There are some bizarre localization problems (Wyvern becomes 'Y Burn') but other than that, the gameplay is pretty much the same as the SNES version, I believe.

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[QUOTE=Smash Genesis,6th May 2010 19:27] @BlitzSage: I
There are some bizarre localization problems (Wyvern becomes 'Y Burn')

Isn't that ff5?

I remember y burn actually,i found it a bit of an odd name.


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Wait, weren't we talking about V? If it was VI, there are still some condensed enemy names in battles (I guess the SNES battle menu could fit more letters than the PSX?), but it's otherwise identical.

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I'd like to change my vote to FFIII. I'm on the Tower of Owen and am stuck.

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Oh, FF3... the final dungeon effectively makes it the hardest Final Fantasy ever. Five bosses, four of them nigh impossible, and no place to save.

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Quote (Toransu Kuja @ 8th May 2010 16:50)

Oh, FF3... the final dungeon effectively makes it the hardest Final Fantasy ever. Five bosses, four of them nigh impossible, and no place to save.

You mean the tower of sylx.

Yeah tower of sylx is a royal pain to do because:

1:First you have to go through a long cave and lots of encounters.
2:You absolutely want every armor piece and skill in the forbidden land of eureka.
Should you decide to get it,you will have a long walk with rather easy encounters once you get the 2 new classes.

One of the enemies in eureka casts toad which can be annoying sometimes.

3:Once you are done with eureka,i recommend you have at least level 30-35 skill so you get the multiplier high enough to do good heals.

4:brings all your elexirs,some potions and all the pheonix downs you got.

5:Don't use the pheonix down when you get downed by a enemy,just cast life2 and since you got so much mana you will make it just fine.

6:Qumqum palidars and the pirilens or whatever they were called are very bad news,especially palidars and qumqums.

The knight guys cast break 2 which is instant stone,qumqum cast death and break 2 and often come in groups

The pirilens or whatever they were called cast flame no your whole group which does 200-350 dmg to all members.(multiply that x5 and that is a whole lot.

The bosses are not so bad compared to the stupid enemies which wreak havoc on your team.

The special bosses in eureka who give ninja and ragnarok are pretty strong,but they are special enemies and it is only normal.

zelanda or whatever the final mage was named casts meteo which does 2000-3500 dmg to the whole team.

He only has 20.000 hp so just kill him quickly with shurikens and summon bahamut.

The final boss dark cloud likes to cast flare wave which does 1500 dmg.

It hurts but not as bad as meteo.

You will have to have 2 healers for the final boss so you will probably need to sacrifice haste and just throw everything you got.



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I didn't mean the Sylx Tower. Getting to Eureka's (relatively) easy and rewarding, and the bosses aren't too tough and give you the Masamune, Excalibur, Ragnarok, etc.

I meant the Dark World. It's a maddening place. I have particularly bad memories of Ahriman and Echidna. Mostly Ahriman.

I eventually beat the game, but only with the help of the Big Bug: 99+2 potions, my Clive became Dlive, and he went from level 10 to level 100 in 90 battles. Four Onion Kids with full onion gear own the game, even Minied or Toaded. (note: hey could barely stand Ahriman's Meteo even with this gear. I don't remember the levels)

I even beat the water wyrm Nepto with this setup. (note: you are taken back one step and he just attacks you again if you step on his tile again.) This was how I realized that in the first battle, Bahamut's plain invincible. It's not his attacks, it's his HP: infinite!

This post has been edited by Toransu Kuja on 9th May 2010 00:38

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I didn't mean the Sylx Tower. Getting to Eureka's (relatively) easy and rewarding, and the bosses aren't too tough and give you the Masamune, Excalibur, Ragnarok, etc.

I meant the Dark World. It's a maddening place. I have particularly bad memories of Ahriman and Echidna. Mostly Ahriman.

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The enemies in the dark world going after dark cloud are pretty vanilla.

The really annoying ones are in th tower of sylx.

Isn't ahriman the one that looks like plague from ff4?

Yeah i remember him,pretty nasty with that spell.

There was also a 2 headed dragon that i cannot recall its name that hits for 3000 dmg to 1 person in the BACK ROW!!


Zendar also casts meteo

I recently beat the game so it is still fresh in my memory.

Which one was echidna? was that the 2 or 3 headed beast?



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Echidna is the one hanging from the roof, casting Brak2 and that kinda stuff.

2-headed Dragon dealt 4k damage to a lvl100 Onion Kid with full Onion Gear! Might have been a crit, though. But still!

And yeah, Ahriman is the one that looks like Plague.

This post has been edited by Toransu Kuja on 9th May 2010 14:03

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Quote (Toransu Kuja @ 8th May 2010 16:50)

Oh, FF3... the final dungeon effectively makes it the hardest Final Fantasy ever. Five bosses, four of them nigh impossible, and no place to save.

Isn't too sure about this but heard that FF II is the same. That you have to head into a warped land with no save point or healing inns and then you have the castle of Pandemonium with a group of tough bosses and still no save point.

Final Fantasy seems rather rough and unforgiving till the 4th one....

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Quote (Toransu Kuja @ 8th May 2010 16:50)

Oh, FF3... the final dungeon effectively makes it the hardest Final Fantasy ever. Five bosses, four of them nigh impossible, and no place to save.

Isn't too sure about this but heard that FF II is the same. That you have to head into a warped land with no save point or healing inns and then you have the castle of Pandemonium with a group of tough bosses and still no save point.

Final Fantasy seems rather rough and unforgiving till the 4th one....

Yeah ff4 is a bit easier.

I think generally that it is altogether better.

A game being too difficult is not always good.

In ff2 and ff3 case,there are several reasons why it breaks the game:

In ff2 nes case:There is no balance,either the game is really hard or really ridiculously easy.

In ff3,the game is easy till the tower of sylx.

Once you get to the tower of sylx,those annoying fights that were already annoying become even more noticeably annoying and on top,long.

FF3 nes is broken because you cannot even run away,this causes you to over level and it is a step behind instead of a step ahead.

I do like a challenge,but i also like games to not be broken in certain things that cause it to be ridiculous.

Running way is always a nice option and keeping fights short is too.

I would rather not spend an hour or 2 in fights just to go up a short tower.

FF2 on the nes is broken in several ways:

1:Why on earth did they allow mini death exploit on some bosses?
It kills the game and makes it a joke.

I know that it is ok on some regular enemies and is understandable but even then,it should not be allowed to be exploited so often.

It is almost as bad as the vanish doom exploit in ff6,except,you need the mini and toad instant death exploit or you will die horribly to those tough enemies with stat spells.

It just feels so cheap.

I actually didn't use the vanish doom trick that often because i could already deal with most fights.

Most of the final tower in ff6 is a cinch anyways.

I think honestly that ff6 only has a few really difficult places that really give problem.

1:The forest where the bracheosaurus.

The reason:The enemies around there are pretty strong,but not too hard anyways.

FF4:It does have some very difficult places and bosses,in fact a lot more than ff6.

1:Plague:This enemy is annoying because it casts death count on your whole team each time it casts it,you have to hit the life spell exactly and once you do it,you will be fine as long as you resurrect them on time.

2:Zeromus:Big bang does hurt a little but not too much,he counter attacks depending on what you cast and it can definately hurt if you aren't careful.

3:Odin:He doesn't play nice and if you don't kill him fast enough you will die.

Places:

Final dungeon:On psx mode,this place can really suck.

There are some very annoying enemies like red and blue dragons who use heat on you and blizzard which can hurt.

The ugly faces are more annoying than difficult because of the stupid wall spell which prolongs the fight.

Overall the difficulty is more towards certain bosses.

FF7:Very very easy for the majority of the part.
I had no problem at all with most enemies except for the optional bosses which were a little tougher.

FF8:If you don't junction well,you will definitely won't do too well.
a lot of people say it is a piece of cake when junctioned with spells to stats and just using regular attacks and limit breaks.

I hear that omega is pretty tough

FF5:The majority of the game is very well balanced and paced actually.
There are a few instances where you are caught under skilled and get wiped out or certain skills are useless in some situations.

The game is mostly time consuming to get all the jobs and every single blue magic.

The final dungeon does catch up to you as it is very difficult and Omega is very very difficult.

FF9:For the majority,the game is not hard.
The game does have a hard otpional boss.

I did have trouble with necron,but that was because he has 2 techniques and they can be devastating if not dealt with quickly.

He has a cheap technique which casts every negative stat effect and you must have protection and he has a technique which does 4000-5000 dmg if i recall correctly.

Chrono trigger is not hard either actually,th only downside in difficulty are bosses you aren't actually supposed to beat,like the golem in the kingdom of 12.000 bc when you first go to see the wicked queen.

FF1 is only difficult early on and unless you are under leveled.
The most difficult part is in the cave to get the crown because of the amount of poisonous enemies.

The dragon warrior 4 was it?

There was a boss named balzac or something like that.

I couldn't beat him and kept getting game over.

He is supposed to be some sort of evil king or something,very powerfull.

Thing about the dragon warrior/dragon quest series:

I don't know about the later ones,but leveling is very important in the first 4 early ones.

dragon warrior/dragon quest 1 is mostly hard if you are under leveled,otherwise it is pretty easy

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 10th May 2010 18:49

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