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I know. And yeah, I'm a moron, it's the Air Force, and by "friends", I mean those little warships that swarm you right before that.

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Snooping as usual, I see?

Well, the IAF (Imperial Air Force) might not be known to anybody, but we will have to reveal that through the story. The airships, of Setzer's kind at least, stopped production.

Now that I think of it, the characters do say IAF, so they probably have some kind of knowledge of them.

This post has been edited by BlitzSage on 27th August 2009 02:07

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Praise Be To Helix!

Aha, I think I get it, the IAF is an airplane, not an airship >_>

Yeah, ok...If we go with the factory idea, you know what was neat about FFII?, sometimes when you were walking in the world map an airship casually passed by.

Oh, and what about Cid?, he seems to know a thing or two about them (like all Cids do).

This post has been edited by Sandyboots on 27th August 2009 02:15

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"Love, and do what you will" Saint Augustine

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Aha, I think I get it, the IAF is an airplane, not an airship >_>

Yeah, ok...If we go with the factory idea, you know what was neat about FFII?, sometimes when you were walking in the world map an airship casually passed by.

Oh, and what about Cid?, he seems to know a thing or two about them (like all Cids do).

I like the idea about FFII.

And Cid could be an airship manufacturer before the Empire forces him to work for the Magitek Research Facility.

Also, from my fanfic, I have a story element that has Setzer's father as a aristocrat. He has made his fortune from the airship sales, but his wealth is squandered after they stop production.

This post has been edited by BlitzSage on 27th August 2009 19:41

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Praise Be To Helix!

Ladies, Gentlemen...

I'm sitting in my office now, reading the posts which flew in overnight... I had the EXACT same thoughts about Thamasa last night while I was casually sitting there with my hexidecimal Paint.NET railroad tiles throwing down straightaways and turns, splits and train stations I thought to myself... HUH!!! How about the railroad company is in the PROGRESS of building a bridge to Thamasa... THEN the railway gets obliterated by the Empire!!" Makes sense.. suits the storyline... BINGO!! ha-HA!!! Yes... Yes... I know, I'm psychic... I read ALL of your minds and already drew in the solution!!

As for Thamasa's existence and Magic's absence...

Magicite, Magitek, and Espers will be NON-existent... Magic, and Thamasa's descendants of the Warriors of the Magi WILL EXIST!! Come on... who wouldnt want to have younger versions of Strago and Gung-ho in this storyline? Imagine a character who is NOT complaining about being an old fart every 5 minutes? We'd be able to start from SCRATCH on his personality and character traits!!

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And plus, with all this talk of the back story to Baram's death and Clyde's evolution into Shadow

... how could we even consider NOT having Thamasa???

As for all the additional villages I'm building...

Kiwah (I am bilingually French so I personally liked "Quiwa", as in French it'd be pronounced exactly as you spell it... however the last thing I want to instigate is FF6 fans playing our prequel and talking about how cool it was that the Empire destroyed this little port town and all of them arguing over how to pronounce the name..."Keewah!"... "NO! QWEEEWAH!"... "NOOO!!! COOWHYWAH!!!" etc, etc.) - yes, if you picked up the underlying tones of my parenthesis, the Empire will destroy this place on their southward quest to destroy Doma.

Northern Port (yet to be named) - The first place the Empire destroys after leaving the Southern Continent

Intangir Island village (Should probably call this thing something different)- is a peaceful vacation village, as stated in my first post, will be destroyed (in the fashion of the Family Guy's "Who needs a boat when you could have THE BOX?!?! I mean ANYTHING could be in the box... maybe EVEN a BOAT!!! You know how much we've wanted one of THOSE!!") by the Flesh Eating INVISIBLE Ogre!!! You guessed it! The Intangir is gonna wipe out this village... any arguments?

Eastern Port (also yet to be named) - Will lose a large portion of it's tourism income due to the loss of interest in being killed by an invisible monster and become deserted, the rising tide will take out the unmaintained dykes and wipe out the village, so it wont be visible come the FF6 storyline.

Traintracks all are dismantled and destroyed by the Empire, or (in the West) either disassembled by the Zozoans in the effort to create chaos, or disassembled by the Jidoorians in their sell out to the Empire (come on... you dont have all that wealth and NO defenses while a power hungry Empire grows UNLESS you sold out...)

Any other places I make will all be made with an end to them, conforming the entire map to the state it is during the game we're prequelling here... no reinventing the wheel.

As for Airships!

Setzer being the owner of the worlds ONLY airship at the time of FF6 gives us the impression that it (at that time) was the ONLY airship... before that time do we want PLENTY or a few??... I'm personally thinking a few, namely being owned by Setzer's and Darryl's parents, being Engineers educated by the same person who taught Edgar AND Cid!... thoughts? i'm making this up on the fly here...

I like Cid's IAF ties... definitely workable...

Personally I'm still digging the thought of Kefka being Cid's kind, fun loving, sarcastic yet dim-witted PLAYABLE janitor.... UNTIL, one fateful night, Cid NEEDS a test subject and injects him full of Magitek and the user SLOWLY loses control over him! Feedback? Pros? Cons? Better ideas?

Anyways, going to be throwing down a new copy of my map when I'm done the railroad...

Pace.

-THE RIFFICUS!

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HUH!!! How about the railroad company is in the PROGRESS of building a bridge to Thamasa... THEN the railway gets obliterated by the Empire!!" Makes sense.. suits the storyline...

That would actually fit. Something kills Relm's mother, maybe it could be the empire. Also, that could explain how the empire begins to revive magic. Kefka has some connection with Thamasa. There are many things from my fanfic that could fit here, if you want to use them. Incorporating that could allow us to use magic through part of the game.

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Traintracks all are dismantled and destroyed by the Empire, or (in the West) either disassembled by the Zozoans in the effort to create chaos, or disassembled by the Jidoorians in their sell out to the Empire (come on... you dont have all that wealth and NO defenses while a power hungry Empire grows UNLESS you sold out...)

I've had this idea for some time of the Empire loosing a lot of money due to the M-Tek research, and that is what stops the trains and the airships. But I do like the idea of them attempting to prevent the other kingdoms from growing. The western tracks were torn because of that, and the eastern tracks are destroyed due to the war.

The war, by the way, is mainly done through Doma and the Veldt and the Eastern Continent. I've had this idea of the legendary battle called the Siege of Doma, between the two leaders Leo and Cyan. Cyan could be the greatest, most renowned warrior in all the land.

And the towns and train stations are therefore abandoned or destroyed by the war, because Cyan is pushed back to the castle. (this gives players the ability to play as Cyan and Leo)

And Jidoor sells out as well in my fanfic. It is the main manufacturer of airships, and now they are simply paid off by the Empire.

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Kiwah (I am bilingually French so I personally liked "Quiwa", as in French it'd be pronounced exactly as you spell it... however the last thing I want to instigate is FF6 fans playing our prequel and talking about how cool it was that the Empire destroyed this little port town and all of them arguing over how to pronounce the name..."Keewah!"... "NO! QWEEEWAH!"... "NOOO!!! COOWHYWAH!!!" etc, etc.) - yes, if you picked up the underlying tones of my parenthesis, the Empire will destroy this place on their southward quest to destroy Doma.

I still don't pronounce anything as the same as other people do, so I wouldn't worry about. But Kiwah is simple, just like Doma is. It fits for some reason.

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Intangir Island village (Should probably call this thing something different)- is a peaceful vacation village, as stated in my first post, will be destroyed (in the fashion of the Family Guy's "Who needs a boat when you could have THE BOX?!?! I mean ANYTHING could be in the box... maybe EVEN a BOAT!!! You know how much we've wanted one of THOSE!!") by the Flesh Eating INVISIBLE Ogre!!! You guessed it! The Intangir is gonna wipe out this village... any arguments?

Well, that makes sense. For one, we need more things to destroy things other than the Empire.

Remember how the Apocalypse opens up the a void and unleashes monsters? That could happen here. with Intangir.

And I think that island is named Triangle Island.

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Setzer being the owner of the worlds ONLY airship at the time of FF6 gives us the impression that it (at that time) was the ONLY airship... before that time do we want PLENTY or a few??... I'm personally thinking a few, namely being owned by Setzer's and Darryl's parents, being Engineers educated by the same person who taught Edgar AND Cid!... thoughts? i'm making this up on the fly here...

Well, that could be part of the storyline. The Empire's magic revival drains the world of its finances, so the world we see in the FFVI story is a world within a recession.

And I think that could be good putting Setzer's parents, especially his father, within that aristocratic storyline. Setzer, in my fanfic, has a falling-out with them as they still support the Empire. Do you guys like that? Setzer's family could be from Jidoor, but they fall apart.

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Personally I'm still digging the thought of Kefka being Cid's kind, fun loving, sarcastic yet dim-witted PLAYABLE janitor.... UNTIL, one fateful night, Cid NEEDS a test subject and injects him full of Magitek and the user SLOWLY loses control over him! Feedback? Pros? Cons? Better ideas?

That doesn't sit well with me. Two reasons:

1) This turns Cid into a villain of some sort. That means that he initiated the experiment, and he created Kefka.

2) It seems to defeat the motif in Cid's character in FFVI. In that story he seems to be forced into the Empire's service, but he is still a good guy.

My idea has been that the experiment was feigned by Kefka to get widespread support for the magic revival. He already has magic powers, but does this experiment to make people invest in it.

Then, we can keep it open to interpretation whether the experiment made him crazy, or if he is crazy at all.

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Personally don't dig the Kefka being from Thamasa thing, considering his character's objectives during the game I think it'd be a little off for him to be coming from a place infested with Magic Bearers, dont you think that'd be his FIRST stop, ESPECIALLY for recruitment, THEN he'd raze the place... honestly, if I was from the only place people had any power to stop me... and I was trying to take over the world (or at least assist someone in gathering a LOT of power) the first stop would be my homeland... pilfer then destroy... it'd definitely be worthwhile to get rid of my biggest adversary as soon as I knew I was capable to.

And Cid wouldnt be evil, he would be misguided and pressured by Gestahl to progress his experiment... and remember, in my possible storyline Kefka's a mild mannered janitor with a seemingly heart of gold... Cid wouldnt be considering himself a bad guy by embuing Kefka with Magitek powers, he would consider himself a good guy, empowering another good guy to do good things!... but then, shortly after the experiment, it seems to go a little, then more, then a LOT WRONG, Kefka's twisting personality grips him and he starts pushing for power, in Emperor Gestahl's favouring of Kefka's new perspective on life the Emperor's true colours come out (i mean, come on... why would Cid be working for the guy, experimenting on dying espers, sucking their lifeblood to fuel machines of destruction, thinking of himself as a "good guy" if he didnt truly believe he was doing the world a heck of a lot of good?)

So, Jidoor supplied the north with transportation via trains and airships, they fueled the manufacturing of these industries with their wealth and pieced them together with the labor provided by the soon-to-be Zozoans. They give up without any shred of a fight and as a peace offering to the Empire they discontinue the manufacturing of Airships (out of Kohlingen? or NEAR Kohlingen, jeez, been thinking of what to do with the strip of land on the Western shoreline, seems fitting... thoughts?) and disassemble their train routes from Jidoor to Kohlingen to Figaro and to Narshe...

Lost here, Apocolypse? statue? opening up the earth and unleashing monsters? when did? why do I? are we talking about another Apocolypse?... Maybe the Intangir escaped from the Zone Eater and worked it`s way out from underground? Oh, yeah... triangle island... almost forgot... but I need a name for the village... something Costa Del Sol-ey... you know, like something you could advertise as ``a place to get away!``?

I like Setzer from Jidoor, the falling out with his parents definitely works... but I really think they need to die before FF6 storyline begins... probably fairly shortly into our storyline as there is mentioned backstory about Setzer and Darryl living life free as birds before she passed away in a very Icarusish manner.

Anyways... BlitzSage buddy, us waxing intellectual and debating these subjects is entertaining... however I think we should put a few things to a vote before we keep the debate alive...

SO PEOPLE:

KEFKA - Thamasan born and raised, power hungry and aristocratic from the get go.(Blitz, if you can add to this to PRO your opinion please feel free... I`m not trying to sum it up bluntly here...but to me, this is how his character development looks with this option...)


KEFKA - Imperial slumdog turned janitor with a heart of gold who befriends the good doctor and ends up his first experiment which becomes (slowly but surely) apparently flawed... Don`t know about other ideas but this would have Kefka as a playable character which triggers MANY funny cutscenes where Kefka becomes a complete jerk and shows his new and true colours.


Thoughts? Other opinions?

HIT ME!

-REIDERIFFICUS REX

Here's a little something from the Final Fantasy Wiki

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Warning: The source and officiality of the following information is unclear. As such, it should not be considered canonical until proved otherwise. See talk page.

Born to unknown parentage, Kefka was abandoned at birth. Raised in an orphanage in Thamasa, Kefka was beaten severely by the orphanage head, and developed a taciturn personality. Eventually, he left Thamasa for Vector. Graduating at the top of his class from the Imperial academy, Kefka became the apprentice of Cid del Norte Márquez, and agreed to be the first experimental test subject for Magitek infusion. The experiment was initially a success and granted Kefka great magical power. But while it had no immediate side effects, the infusion would lead to the gradual degeneration of Kefka's sanity. He became interested in Espers and continued to study them and the Magitek augmentations being done on Imperial soldiers as he pursued his military ambitions.

At the age of 23, Kefka was appointed commander of the Magitek Knights. In the following years, he took an interest in the recently orphaned daughter of an Imperial soldier and a Tzen female aristocrat, Celes Chere. Kefka used his political pull to make sure that Celes was brought up a Magitek Knight and took her under his tutelage. Kefka's political ascension culminated when, at age 31, he was appointed to the position of Imperial Prime Minister, second only to Emperor Gestahl himself. He became renowned as a brilliant tactician and led the Empire to several victories in battle. Ultimately, however, Kefka's reign would be short-lived. At a banquet celebrating the appointment of Celes to Rear Admiral, Kefka finally cracked. The Magitek infusion from years prior manifested itself and Kefka began to slip into insanity.

Kefka began to show marked change in behavior; once a shy, reserved man, Kefka began dressing in garish robes, wearing make-up, and playing with dolls. His once keen strategic mind deteriorated, and he lost many memories of his later life, remembering little more beyond his time with the Empire and his horrible childhood. As a result, Kefka became cruel and hateful, and developed an unquenchable thirst for destruction. Kefka was promptly removed from military duty. Still feeling indebted to him for his years of service, and appreciating his loyalty, Gestahl appointed Kefka to the position of court mage of the Gestahlian Empire. His former position was filled by General Leo Cristophe, sparking a fierce hatred of the man in Kefka. Kefka eventually became feared by the Imperial soldiers, prone to wild fits of rage and was known to violently attack anyone who angered him.

Now, see those bold letters at the beginning, those are important. This information is mixed, some of might be true, some of it might be not.

What it's probable: Kefka was raised in an orphanage and treated badly there.
What it isn't: Sorry Blitz Sage, but if Kefka was from Thamasa, a village for those of magi decent, why would he need to be part of the Magitek infusion?

The last paragraph sounds about right.


A little suggestion. In order to advance faster with the story, there should be a set period of time where the game takes place. If we are counting the beginning of FFVI as year 0, this prequel takes place on? I have more of less an idea but I'm afraid my estimate covers a great deal of time.


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Hey Sandyboots,

2 time periods for this prequel, -30 and -10 (sorry to anyone who was hoping for a War of the Magi), maybe some story telling by someone TO Strago (as a younger man of course)... possible characters from the story in year 0 showing themselves in these two time periods can be found on my June 15th post on page 1...

So Sandy, you`re voting a little in between here... are you saying as long as Kefka`s abused as an orphan and not from Thamasa you`re in?

Nothing against Blitzsage`s perspective (and power to him if he can turn some votes here... honestly Blitz, not knocking your idea, just not my cup of tea, personally a big fan of ``the making of villains`` like what MADE them the evil people they are) but I`m pretty sure ``abused as a child`` jives with ``becoming a janitor``...

anyways, keep the feedback comin` people!

THE REX

Wow, a lot of people posted since I did. Okay, just let me try and pick out some stuff.

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2 time periods for this prequel, -30 and -10 (sorry to anyone who was hoping for a War of the Magi), maybe some story telling by someone TO Strago (as a younger man of course)... possible characters from the story in year 0 showing themselves in these two time periods can be found on my June 15th post on page 1...

I like those periods, that sounds good to me. We could have 30 as the rise of the Empire, and 10 the beginning of the Returners.

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Nothing against Blitzsage`s perspective (and power to him if he can turn some votes here... honestly Blitz, not knocking your idea, just not my cup of tea, personally a big fan of ``the making of villains`` like what MADE them the evil people they are) but I`m pretty sure ``abused as a child`` jives with ``becoming a janitor``...

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What it's probable: Kefka was raised in an orphanage and treated badly there.
What it isn't: Sorry Blitz Sage, but if Kefka was from Thamasa, a village for those of magi decent, why would he need to be part of the Magitek infusion?

Let me just clarify what I meant.

Kefka is from Thamasa, therefore he already has magic powers. That is why the infusion does not work, because he already has powers.

*Okay, writing it just now, I found the problem I had that maybe you guys did. If Kefka already has powers, why does he really undergo the experiment?

It's a fake experiment that he does to get popular support, then Cid messes it up deliberately to try and kill Kefka. He fails, of course, but scars Kefka.

If we are going to have two time periods, have him as a janitor during 30, and the fake botched experiment/assasination at 10.

Do you guys like that idea of combining those two ideas? He's an orphan in Thamasa who leaves home and goes to Vector, becomes a janitor, then turns evil at some point. How about that?

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Lost here, Apocolypse? statue? opening up the earth and unleashing monsters? when did? why do I? are we talking about another Apocolypse?... Maybe the Intangir escaped from the Zone Eater and worked it`s way out from underground?

The Apocalypse is another name for the Cataclysm halfway through, and monsters like Phunbaba (or Humbaba) come from the void after Kefka moves the three goddesses. That could perhaps be where he (Intangir) comes from.

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I like Setzer from Jidoor, the falling out with his parents definitely works... but I really think they need to die before FF6 storyline begins... probably fairly shortly into our storyline as there is mentioned backstory about Setzer and Darryl living life free as birds before she passed away in a very Icarusish manner.

The way I envisioned it is this: Setzer is a free spirit, as you know, but his parents are apart of the payoff of Jidoor. But, during our story, the trains and airships, which they made their fortune in, are taken apart. Then Setzer's parents kill themselves. We can work on that later, but do you like that?

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Thamasan born and raised, power hungry and aristocratic from the get go.

I don't think he is openly "power hungry and aristocratic" at first, but deep inside him he is driven for power. And it slowly comes out.

I actually, as we go on, want to tell you more about what I have thught about that could be done using the stuff I have imagined in my fanfic that involves Kefka and the Blitz. But I will post it later. I don't want to make these things too long.

I hope that cleared stuff up, and that you guys like it.

-- The Sage

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So Sandy, you`re voting a little in between here... are you saying as long as Kefka`s abused as an orphan and not from Thamasa you`re in?

That's correct. No opposition to the janitor thing. Just a question, why janitor? I just found it funny and keep remembering Kefka in the jail cell when the banquet.

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2 time periods for this prequel, -30 and -10 (sorry to anyone who was hoping for a War of the Magi), maybe some story telling by someone TO Strago (as a younger man of course)... possible characters from the story in year 0 showing themselves in these two time periods can be found on my June 15th post on page 1...

DUH! Of course, I'm very sorry for forgetting that post. So it is going to be like a two generation game? Will some decisions made in the first half affect the second?

Can I comment on the characters?...more like I'm going to

-30

GESTAHL - around 25

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Born from mere peasantry, rising to the rank of general in the military of the southern feuding state of what would become Vector, Gestahl, aged 22, led his men to victory in overtaking the northern state (renowned for its advancements in science and technology, but with a weak military). At the birth of Vector, Gestahl proclaimed himself emperor for life.

According to The Complete, Gestahl is 50 in FFVI -30 that would be 20, close to his 22, when something interesting happens.

STRAGO, GUNGHO - around 30

Stargo is 70 in FFVI -30, that'll be 40. What about his wife the geomancer?

BANON, ARVIS – 20

Same deal, Banon is 54-30=24

DUNCAN – 20

Dunno about him, but here's an idea. Why not use the Xenogears' Harcourts background as a base?

CYAN – 15

Cyan is 50-30=20

OWZER, IMPRESSARIO – 25
COLOSEUM GUY – 25

Them? I'm imagining they are NPC, or are they all party members?

CID – 20

Cid is 46-30=16, too young, unless he is a kid genius?

GAU'S FATHER – 30

Seems too old to me. If so he would be 60 in FFVI and had Gau when he was 46. Then again Owain doesn't seem older than Gau, I'm guessing he was born when Cyan was 38-42.

ULTROS &CHUPON

At firsts I was “Oooook”, but it is actually a neat idea now that I think about it.

If my math and memory don't fail me, Edgar and Sabin father would be 30 by then, and their mother 13, who is said to be an orphan of magi decent. That explains why Edgar “hits” on little girls, but that doesn't explain why the twins magic score is so low. I could actually try to get all of the Figaros ages, but I dunno if anyone is interested >_>.

Phew... -10 to be covered in another post.

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Yikes, I was typing when you posted Blitz Sage.

I don't know, your solution around the Kefka thing still makes sound Cid like an evil bastard. He is just a poor geeky scientist in a banana suit that is easily manipulated and likes to garden roses with his “grandchild”.

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How about not janitor, but just some kind of handyman? But he does janitor work.

And he has no idea that he is from Thamasa.

Oh, and this is my idea about the Blitz. At the time before the rise of the Empire, the Blitz are a major power in Vector. They mentor Kefka, as they think he has the ability to use Blitz (because the magic emits an aura that they believe is a Blitz aura). They let him know many secrets (in my backstory, the Blitz helped the Espers hide after the War of the Magi).

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Continuation from my previous post

-10

CLYDE, BARAM – 30

Sounds good to me.

CELES - 18 (Although most say she was 18 at the start of FF6 it's a little hard to believe given her military exploits, this would have put her at 16/17 when, as a general, she torched Maranda)

Well yeah...this is a JPRG and she has MAGIC!
If she is that old, it ruins the whole thing of Kefka being her protector. Also she calls Cid “grandad”, if she was 28 and Cid 46, it would be more like dad... even at 18 it is more like dad.

LEO – 25

Leo is 30 in FFVI, so 20 then.

LOCKE - 15 (Baram's kid?)

If Baram is 30, and Locke is 15, then Baram got lucky way too early compared with Clyde and especially Cyan.

SETZER – 27, I know this is how old he is supposed to be in FF6, but c'mon...grey hair in mid 20's? Not unless he's an albino, which he could be if he wasnt riding an airship, directly exposed to sunlight for hours on end, he'd be burnt beet red! ... SPF 1000?

I think I already covered this, he IS an albino. Hey, they have things that restore your life and heal poison in an instant, I doubt they don't have super-sun-blocker. Besides, think of it this way, the more things are forbidden to you the more you want to do them, right? So if Setzer can't get exposed to the sun, the guy is going to go and get himself an airship.

EDGAR/SABIN – 17

Just in time for the coin flip

KEFKA - 22 (Thoughts on him being the Janitor of Cid's lab? This would explain his nouveau riche attitude towards power and also how he became the 1st test subject)

In discussion. He would be 25 by the way.

BIGGS & WEDGE - 22

It's tradition! Fully support this. And there´s total freedom in what respects to them.

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And he has no idea that he is from Thamasa.

So, when does he finds out? Or he doesn't?

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Oh, and this is my idea about the Blitz. At the time before the rise of the Empire, the Blitz are a major power in Vector. They mentor Kefka, as they think he has the ability to use Blitz (because the magic emits an aura that they believe is a Blitz aura). They let him know many secrets (in my backstory, the Blitz helped the Espers hide after the War of the Magi).

Let's see here, at the rise of the Empire, Kefka was 7. So umm...

Sabin started to train around 8. So yeah, it could work, but I find it a little too odd for Kefka.

And then we have Duncan, THE blitz master, Who lives in South Figaro, far away from Vector.

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And he has no idea that he is from Thamasa.

So, when does he finds out? Or he doesn't?

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Oh, and this is my idea about the Blitz. At the time before the rise of the Empire, the Blitz are a major power in Vector. They mentor Kefka, as they think he has the ability to use Blitz (because the magic emits an aura that they believe is a Blitz aura). They let him know many secrets (in my backstory, the Blitz helped the Espers hide after the War of the Magi).

Let's see here, at the rise of the Empire, Kefka was 7. So umm...

Sabin started to train around 8. So yeah, it could work, but I find it a little too odd for Kefka.

And then we have Duncan, THE blitz master, Who lives in South Figaro, far away from Vector.

He might at some point, we can decide later.

And that is where we might have to disregard the official backstory to create new ideas. I was thinking, for instance, that the Empire doesn't just rise, but there is a rebellion that creates the Empire.

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OK...

So, to explain why I think he should be a janitor... Kefka (year 0 and +1) seems like the kind of guy who is using his power to step on everyone in the world. He seems like he`s taking the kind of indescriminate vengeance on the world that one can only obtain from days and days of changing garbage then having people throw their trash in your empty and bagless bin before you have a chance to rebag it, scrubbing toilets with skidmarks crusted on from someone passing god only knows through their system, mopping floors only to have the security staff of the lab walk on them with grubby boots, scraping fresh gum off the bottoms of desks, disposing of toxic waste, and watching all the high-class scientists and bureaucrats walk by and stare down at you in disgust, toothbrush in hand, scrubbing the corners of the hallway... In my life, if anyone I know would become Kefka if they were given the power to cast magic... it`d be my Portuguese janitor... we have this guy in my office who tears up paper and throws it around his work station mindlessly as he talks on the phone... I come in in the morning and see a nice, newly cleaned desk... I work my day... then I see the janitor come in, cursing his wife, and stop and look at this co-worker of mine`s desk and you see his face change thusly: then from cleaning up those paper scraps he progresses to write a new sign to tape to the wall above the urinal asking people to remember to flush because he HATES HATES HATES HATES HATES replacing the stinky urinal puck.

THAT is the kind of guy that I think would spawn Kefka. My prequel Kefka would be absolutely and positively trodden upon, walked all over, trampled, cussed, slapped, told he missed a spot, have to scrub the corners of the hallways with a toothbrush, have to scrub the toilets by hand, be harrassed by troops (who he`d eventually have Terra fry in five minutes while wearing a hypnocrown) I want him sneered at by the bureaucrats, and laughed at by the intellectuals... I want this Kefka to HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE his life... I want him to be level 1 with shoddy armor and a toilet brush as his weapon, if he`s got magic then he`ll NEVER have felt what it`s really like to be stepped upon... I want him to try to make friends unsuccessfully then FINALLY make ONE friend... the good doctor Cid...

Cid will grow fond of the Janitor, being the only two in the lab after hours. Eventually Cid will decide to gift Kefka with the magitek powers of 1 esper... BISMARK

Cid will choose Bismark, the esper with 3 low level elemental spells, FIRE... to cauterize wounds... ICE... to cool sore joints... BOLT... to act as an AED and jolt hearts back into beating... and LIFE to revive the fallen.

The good doctor Cid wanted to make a good doctor out of Kefka.

Now everything went fine for the first little bit but then Kefka started using his powers (this is where I want the user to slowly lose control) to strike back at his former agressors... Lighting the labcoats of the engineers on fire... Jolting the bureaucrats as they walk by... Icing the soldier`s armors while they sit in the mess hall. The Emperor, watching how Cid`s experiments progress, saw Kefka exerting his power over the others and took a liking to him... obviously having a desire to harness Magitek and grow supremely powerful.

This is my thesis... I personally can`t see a more suitable prequel Kefka...

Anyways, here`s an updated map. You can see the railroad is half finished. I`ve also added a mining colony on the northern shore. resolutions a little low so if you want a larger map or the high-res 10MB full version just let me know.



Reiderificus Rex

I agree, but I also think we need to show a second aspect of his journey to become the "psycho clown" supervillain: his ascention to the top.

That is why we need to use the Blitz to 1) teach him and 2) elevate him to a position of power.

Another thing: I think we should label the years like 30WB (World of Balance) and 10WB. It looks like b.c., counting down.

And about the story structure:

30WB could be the story of Kefka's rise. It could actually go from 30WB to 25WB.

And 10WB could show the rise of the Returners and the beginning of the revival of magic.

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quickie here, about to hit the hay...

I`m all for the Blitzers, but I think they should be pushed to the brink of extinction by Gestahls 30WB rise to power, I`m with Sandy on this, Kefka`s not old enough to be part of the 30WB plot, I think his ascension into his current position should be the start of the 10WB plot, basically a whole bunch of world changing stuff happens, Gestahl wipes out the Blitzers and Duncan goes into exile by South Figaro the screen fades and the user wakes up 20 years later as a janitor in Cid`s IAF lab... the Kefka plot plays out, the user loses control of him as he becomes more and more power hungry (injecting himself with more and MORE magitek)... Then we have the user switching roles and them intertwining as we work up to Shadow ending up in Thamasa.

thoughts?

I'll probably catch up sometime tomorrow and hit my next post over the weekend, anyways...

peace peoples....

The REX

Okay, I have tried to find stuff on it, and I have seen that the Dissidia stats have him at 35.

We can do a couple of things here: we can move up the plot, and/or we could make Kefka older.

Or, do you guys want to follow the letter?

Because here's how I could see it. We could make it 25WB, and have Kefka a little older. I picked, randomly, that he was born 46WB. That way, he could be 21 years old during the Empire's takeover.

What I am saying is: we need to have Kefka as a part of that. I think at least. For one, we have to give players the ability to play as the Kefka.

And yeah, the Blitz should fall. I think that they could be instrumental in the Imperial Rebellion, and there is a schism. I think certain people like Dadaluma in Zozo could be former Blitzers.

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Found some time at the office:

Personally, I'm not in favour of re-inventing the wheel, anything dictated by Squeenix for FF6 is going to be FACTUAL for this game, so if they say that he's 35 at in Dissidia and his pic appears to be that of 0WB (no wings) then it plugs his age at 25yo in 10WB and 5yo in 30WB (maybe a teeny tiny cameo?).

They also mentioned that his position with the Empire is "Sorceror" with no mention of any degradation from a higher post so I'm taking that to mean that the whole Prime Ministerial impeachment and appointment to Court Mage as a courtesy is just someone else's fanfic, especially considering his removal from military duty... why exactly would he be at the Imperial Camp, leading an attack on Doma, or have Magitek empowered Guardian's in his employ if he was REMOVED from military duty...

Sounds to me like some imaginative Fan Boy got a little overjoyed with his own creation and decided to not conform his fanfic to the specifics already established by Squeenix for the subject matter they were expanding upon... you CAN'T reinvent the wheel, if you start doing that then you have to stick a little disclaimer at the front of your movie saying "The events and characters are LOOSELY based on reality"

Also, if we start throwing off the date scheme it'll complicate the other characters, and I like the gameflow of 30WB rise of Gestahl, squashing of his major opposers, and the 10WB rise of Kefka, rise of the Returners, the fall of Baram and the initial first steps in the Empire's war on Doma and dissassembly of the railroads.

Thoughts? Rebuttals? I'm open!

REXERIFFIC

Eh...why dont make duncan a playable character with blitz techniques ? Would be cool I guess !!

(Sry, didnt read all of your posts)

Duncan's on the list on page 1, Blitzes definitely, he'll be around and playable during the 30WB period as one of, not THE, Blitz Master... the others are wiped out and he runs into exile to South Figaro at the end of the 30WB storyline (at least how I see it, as I say the whole way along EVERYTHING is up for debate!... except of course, the facts... ff6... our bible.)

Well, I don't think changing Kefka's age is very earth-shattering, as they probably just picked a random age to place on some unnecessary statistic on a new game.

Just like we did with the trains, airships, and Blitz, we're going to have to create new things to create an exciting story. The backstory they created was never intended to be created into a prequel. And I am sure that if they were going to create something like a prequel we're doing, they would do exactly what we are doing, I guarantee it.

The only reason I would continue to argue my point is that, speaking as a fan not a collaborator, I would want to play as Kefka as much as possible. So making him just a little older seems to be okay if it means a more exciting game.

You've got to remember, it's as if we're adapting their backstory into our interpretations. It's like the LotR books being adapted to film: they can't be the same. We have to make some changes. No "wheel-reinvented" stuff, but just a couple cool and exciting things that would be interesting to play. So imaginative= thank you, Fan Boy= ouch, overjoyed= maybe, but I think we could make this really cool if we conform less and try to make an awesome imaginative prequel.

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I'm with Reidrex in this one. Stick with what Square said as much as possible.

You have a great lot of imagination Blitz Sage, and that is a good thing for creating your own material, but you see this is a fan-work... (Entrainment rant ahead, skip if you wish).

Please don't take it the wrong way, this is just my opinion. Take my advice or call me crazy, your choice.

Personally I hate it when my favorite book gets turned into a movie and they change a bunch of stuff just to make it flow better. A director has to decide if he wants to please the books fans and stay true to the story or attract different people with a more dynamic film but loosely based on the original. The logic thing to do is go for the second option, you'll gain a bunch, and loose some minimal people that happened to read the book. “Who needs reading people? We're selling a movie!”

The people who made the game crated it's world, it's history, it's characters and their backstories and let us take part of the tale. Think you can do better than them? Maybe you can change something for the better but you'll have a few “book fans” saying “hey!, that didn't happen that way”.

There's a bunch of free room, why change the few things that the creators wanted to share with us? It is, after all, their tale. We just borrow their ideas for our fan-works.

I guess you could call me a fangirl that gets angry if a character is changed, but think about it, who is mainly going to play this prequel?, that's right, fans.

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They also mentioned that his position with the Empire is "Sorceror" with no mention of any degradation from a higher post so I'm taking that to mean that the whole Prime Ministerial impeachment and appointment to Court Mage as a courtesy is just someone else's fanfic, especially considering his removal from military duty... why exactly would he be at the Imperial Camp, leading an attack on Doma, or have Magitek empowered Guardian's in his employ if he was REMOVED from military duty...

I also found that suspicious. I agree, if Kefka obtained that job out of pity he should be attending parties instead of leading armies. I think Gestahl only truly realizes that Kefka is plain mad at the Floating Continent.

I think the misinformation came from Woosley translation.

Quote (FFVI SNES)

EDGAR: What brings Kefka, humble servant of Emperor Gestahl, into our lowly presence?

Quote (FFVI Advance)

Edgar: What brings Emperor Gesthal's own court mage, Kefka, to my humble castle?

Quote (Kwhatiz fan-translation)

Edgar: What brings Emperor Gastra's direct subordinate, the Sorcerer Cefca, out of his way to come here?

So in the SNES version it sounds like Kefka is a low nobody and in the fan-translation he is second only to Gestahl.

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Well, okay, whatever you guys think that's what I'll do.

But about book adaptations. I agree with what Peter Jackson said about Lord of the Rings. "The book is unfilmable, if you just went page by page."

Being a Tolkien fan, but also a movie fan, I was upset about the changes but I knew that they needed to be done. Literature and film are two different mediums. And though we aren't dealing with different mediums, we are dealing with small amounts of material to make a story. So, we are going to have to make up some things to make this story work.

I feel that we need to stray to get a better story, but I seem to be out-voted.

About the translation, perhaps both are correct. He is the court mage sorceror, but is also Gestahl's lackey.



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Glad to see the brainstorming is still going strong. Reidrex to answer a previous post about what game engine your story could be made on you have a couple options:

You can use RPG Maker 2003 which does have a side view battle system similar to final fantasy 6. The other option is RPG Maker XP which is a more powerful engine, but lacks the side view battle system, (this could be fixed using rpgxp's scripting system).
There is also RPG Maker VX which is supposed to be the same as XP but a little better. (Haven't check out VX so i'm unsure)

I would recommend rpg 2003 because most of the resources like sprites and chipsets from final fantasy 6 are ripped, and all ready out there on the internet so they're easy to find and use. The engine is also pretty easy to use because there is no programming language to learn. However if you're not satisfied with the battle system in 2003 then it can be difficult to create you own custom battle system, it's possible just a pain.

Here is some screenshots from my own fanic game, hopefully they can give you an idea. They are screenshots of the recreated Zozo I made within RPG Maker 2003.

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/zozoscrsht.png/

http://img39.imageshack.us/i/zozoscrsht2.png/

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/zozoscrsht3m.png/

Now while I can use RPG maker 2003 I am definitely not a pro, so does anyone else have experience with this system? I hope I can contribute but if it gets to the point where we need fancy stuff like scripted mini-games and battle systems then i'll be useless.

Those are great images. I think those'll work.


By the way, we need a reason/backstory for the creation of Zozo, and why it is the way it is.

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Eh...I think the bg story of Zozo should lead to that point that the death dudes are walking around there. Maybe those got killed in a bad accident? Or each of those has died a very painful death, or lost somebody they loved?

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Eh...I think the bg story of Zozo should lead to that point that the death dudes are walking around there. Maybe those got killed in a bad accident? Or each of those has died a very painful death, or lost somebody they loved?

So either the story I created on pg 1 (Jidoor sent their criminals there to "clean up" their city), or the city has been cursed or something. But we'll see what Sandyboots and Reidrex say.

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Whoa whoa whoa ...

1st... Blitz, didn't mean to call you a fanboy, meant that the ff wiki entry on Kefka was a product of someone's imagination... now we all understand your desire for a Kefka centred game of power power power kill kill kill but we all have to understand that other things happened in the ff6 universe and try to build our story to suit, seriously, we're not short of characters to build a good backstory around, why not have Kefka as the illegitimate son of a politician given up for adoption?

2nd... Zozo... why not a bit of both?

Blitz, don't slow down on contributing because one idea didn't fly, we all appreciate your opinion.

-REX

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1st... Blitz, didn't mean to call you a fanboy, meant that the ff wiki entry on Kefka was a product of someone's imagination... now we all understand your desire for a Kefka centred game of power power power kill kill kill but we all have to understand that other things happened in the ff6 universe and try to build our story to suit, seriously, we're not short of characters to build a good backstory around

Sorry about being a little moody.

About this though, I didn't want the crazy kill everything Kefka. See, I enjoyed the idea of him not being evil at the beginning, just a nice janitor or something.

But I wanted to track his character development. I want to see why he changes into what he is.

The reason I wanted to change his age was simply to have that change happen quickly, because we'll have other characters to focus on. But I see why you guys want to stay as close to them anyways, but making him older does allow us to focus on others within the game more exclusively.

But if we are to keep his age the same, we need to work on some more villains, besides Gestahl. He's fine, but I think we need more. I have a vague idea about a Blitz who is the main reason for the Empire's rise and the Blit's fall. The only problem is the clear similarity to Star Wars, which is unintentional.

But about Zozo, it's like the Blitz. It is vague enough within the game as to allow some leadway. I think that making the rich Jidoorians the bad guys is good. Maybe, they send enemies of the Empire there, and we can say that it has already been long cursed. So them leaving enemies there is their doom.

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why not have Kefka as the illegitimate son of a politician given up for adoption?

So he's taken in by Cid? Interesting, as that is similar to Celes. But the question is, why? Why does the politician give him up?

This post has been edited by BlitzSage on 31st August 2009 02:10

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