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I'm sorry to say this folks:

Final fantasy 7 is a alright game but by no means is the best final fantasy ever or rpg ever.


I am not going into the ff6 vs ff7 because i would have to take in account FFX wich i like and ff4 wich i love and ff6 wich i love and even the remake of the first ff with new dungeons wich i liked very much.

I just think they should stop with the parodies.


Leave it alone,by making sequels they are further damaging the games reputation even for fellow ff7 fans.

Leave ff7 alone.


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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 23rd August 2009 12:30)

LEEAAAVVVEEEE FINAL FANTASY SEVEN ALONE!!! LEAVE HER ALONE! I'm SERIOUS! BE GLAD SHE EVEN PREFORMED FOR YOU BASTARDS!!!

So what? It's a matter of opinion and you're not likely to sway anyone so what's the point? Your opinion is yours alone.

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Why does it bother you that other people think FF7 is the greatest game ever? It is not like they're forcing you to play it. After all, we all have our favourites (mine's FF8) and just because other FFs may be more popular doesn't mean you need to get upset.

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Spin-offs: FFIV: Interlude & The After Years, Crisis Core: FFVII, X-2, XIII-2, Lightning Returns, Type-0 HD, Dissidia, Dissidia 012, and Tactics (original & WotL).
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Why does it bother you that other people think FF7 is the greatest game ever? It is not like they're forcing you to play it. After all, we all have our favourites (mine's FF8) and just because other FFs may be more popular doesn't mean you need to get upset.

What bothers me is,i love the final fantasy series.

What they are doing to it is destroying it with media and junk that is only there to get money.

Don-t you see?

I have no opinion but what bothers me is they give no credit to anything else and only pay attention to final fantasy 7 their cash whore.

and what little respect i had for final fantasy 7 is dwindling and i slowly lose faith in squaresoft as they make bad sequels or mediocre sequels.

What they need is a fresh new start,something new because when you get to a certain period,your sequels begin to stagnate and become lacking.

What i respected was the deep plot and they keep changing it around.

If they had taken their time in the first time they wouldn-t need to make 50.000 sequels to fill in the plot holes.

So my fellow ff7 fans,in total what i want is for ff7 is not ff7 cash whore but ff7 the great plot.


This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 23rd August 2009 20:08

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I'm sure at some point most well-traveled FF fans have found the ginormous amount of FF7 attention a little disconcerting -- not a big fan of retcons and adjunct stories myself -- but let's not forget that Squenix is a profit-minded business. Whether you see it as demographic pandering, fanservice, or running the game's legacy into the ground, y'gotta admit that it's only smart business sense to go with what sells.

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I'm sure at some point most well-traveled FF fans have found the ginormous amount of FF7 attention a little disconcerting -- not a big fan of retcons and adjunct stories myself -- but let's not forget that Squenix is a profit-minded business. Whether you see it as demographic pandering, fanservice, or running the game's legacy into the ground, y'gotta admit that it's only smart business sense to go with what sells.

What they did was sell themselves out.


I just hope ff13 is better than some of its counterparts

I just think that its sad that the villain is a whole lot more interesting than the hero himself who seems bland.

Sure it has interesting plot ideas,but i feel as if the game has turned the wrong way in potential and became a utter sellout.

I personally played this game so i got first hand experience

Also what is with the materia system taking so long to master?

I was near the part where i fight sephiroth and i hadn't even mastered all the spells,it was taking forever,and sephiroth was a bit too easy.



This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 27th August 2009 15:54

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Yea FF7 is lacking in a some areas but it is really a matter of opinion. I personally think FF9 is the best game hands down, but most people dont seem to agree with me and that doesent bother me.

I dont really understand how you can say FF7 is overated because you have to take into account that not only FF fans played FF7.

Give that game its respect, it was the only FF game to reach out to a majority of gamers therefore deserving its title as the best FF game.

As a final fantasy fan i agree with you that its not the best game, but statisticly out of all the games FF7 has the largest fan base and brought in the most profit for the organization (and is still bringing in money) therefore making it the most successful game, or the "best" game.

Squarenix didn't sell out, I mean they still came out with FF9 which was a traditional FF games made for FF fans. And final fantasy 10 also went back to the roots in a many ways unlike 7 and 8.

They just realize that if they were to only reach out to FF fans they wont have the money or the fan base to keep making FF games, and money.

This post has been edited by Moogle37 on 28th August 2009 00:38

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Yea FF7 is lacking in a some areas but it is really a matter of opinion. I personally think FF9 is the best game hands down, but most people dont seem to agree with me and that doesent bother me.

I dont really understand how you can say FF7 is overated because you have to take into account that not only FF fans played FF7.

Give that game its respect, it was the only FF game to reach out to a majority of gamers therefore deserving its title as the best FF game.

As a final fantasy fan i agree with you that its not the best game, but statisticly out of all the games FF7 has the largest fan base and brought in the most profit for the organization (and is still bringing in money) therefore making it the most successful game, or the "best" game.

Squarenix didn't sell out, I mean they still came out with FF9 which was a traditional FF games made for FF fans. And final fantasy 10 also went back to the roots in a many ways unlike 7 and 8.

They just realize that if they were to only reach out to FF fans they wont have the money or the fan base to keep making FF games, and money.

1:There are alot of ff fans who only played 7 and up
2:FF9 had good characters but it seems like the game needed more story behind everything,there was a bunch of action going on,yeah queen brahne was a greedy old witch and kuja had a master plan to use her. I just felt they could have made a lil more story there that's all.

3:Populary doesn't=good,its not a bad game really but i lost any respect i had for the plot the day crisis core advent children and the other one came out,,i have advent children but i refuse to watch it because i'm sick of ff7 to death where i see it everywhere.



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I feel like we've been here before...

Regardless, I'd like to comment that this:

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Give that game its respect, it was the only FF game to reach out to a majority of gamers therefore deserving its title as the best FF game.

Is far from true.

And since I've posted that, I'll just add that FFVII is a good game. Not the best RPG, far from the worst, and is completely worth it's playthrough.

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Eh, I am personally not that fan of FF VII and the hypes around it.

I don't like the game that much cause of some few things:
* Storyline: While the storyline itself is nice and very deep, especially if you reasearch for it in the internet, it is also quite confusing IMHO.
* VERY bad localization, the german version is bad and from what I have heard the english version isn't that much better
* Boring Ability-system...I am not talking about linking the materias..but about leveling them up. It just takes ages and made the game itself tedious and boring to myself
* Why a character which you play the half of the game has to die??? Seriously, aeris' death just sucked. And moreover, you see how cloud is fighing against himself so he won't kill her, but then the bastard named Sephiroth poppes up Suck000r btw.
* Most of the tragic moments aren't made really well. I have felt nothing when the whole avalaunche group died, it was just somehow...unpersonally. Except aerith's death of course, which really shocked me, even though I knew about it cause some friends of me spoke about.

But in total, it would be a lie that the whole game is shit, it is difinitivly not. But some things in it just suck. (IMHO)

Kill me please, but I even think that FF VIII is a better game ^^ (I don't really hate it that much :X)

This post has been edited by Bas on 28th August 2009 20:43

To Bas; aeris's death is supposed to suck!

Life isnt fair, a valuble lesson

btw: Did FF8 have a storyline?

This post has been edited by Thief Of Navarre on 28th August 2009 21:38

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To Bas; aeris's death is supposed to suck!

Life isnt fair, a valuble lesson

btw: Did FF8 have a storyline?

FF7 storyline had its moments,but i think it had alot of holes and confusing the whole sephiroth and cloud thing and went too far with it to the point of boredom.

The game is not bad but it isn't great either,its a mediocre game.


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And since I've posted that, I'll just add that FFVII is a good game. Not the best RPG, far from the worst, and is completely worth it's playthrough.

Personally I agreee with you.

but it still deserves to be called the best game because if you take out what all the FF games have accomplished FF7 has accomplished the most.

I guess the best way for me to explain it is that in the end greatness is measured by success, not by personal opinion. for example:

Michael Jordan is labeled as the best nba player, but if he wouldn't of achieved what he did he would never of received that title. Same goes for FF7 it had the most success therefore statisticly it is the "best" game, and no matter how many people dont believe it to be (including myself) it doesn't change the fact, FF7 is the best game in the series.

another example:
lets say one hundred years from now, and just for the sake of my point lets assume that there wont be any other final fantasy games. If someone came up to me and told me to write a report on which FF game was the best in history. I personally would research which final fantasy game achieved the most versus playing them all and giving my personal opinion.

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Quote (Death Penalty @ 28th August 2009 15:43)

And since I've posted that, I'll just add that FFVII is a good game. Not the best RPG, far from the worst, and is completely worth it's playthrough.

Personally I agreee with you.

but it still deserves to be called the best game because if you take out what all the FF games have accomplished FF7 has accomplished the most.

I guess the best way for me to explain it is that in the end greatness is measured by success, not by personal opinion. for example:

Michael Jordan is labeled as the best nba player, but if he wouldn't of achieved what he did he would never of received that title. Same goes for FF7 it had the most success therefore statisticly it is the "best" game, and no matter how many people dont believe it to be (including myself) it doesn't change the fact, FF7 is the best game in the series.

another example:
lets say one hundred years from now, and just for the sake of my point lets assume that there wont be any other final fantasy games. If someone came up to me and told me to write a report on which FF game was the best in history. I personally would research which final fantasy game achieved the most versus playing them all and giving my personal opinion.

FF6 would win in characters story

It is the most complete

FF4 has great characters and the story is good too.

There is something about the games themselves,there is this special feel to them.

Final fantasy tactics is more about gameplay than story i think,while it has some story and the main character,montblanc and the girl are pretty likeable characters.

Ff5 has funny dialect,the plo is ok,simple and acceptable

FF5 has also really fun gameplay

FF7,well i played it 3 times and never played it again

and every time i played it,it wasn't from the start except once or twice,the third time was from a endgame save to beat ruby,and when i did it,i had no reason to go back because there was nothing to keep me going.


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Quote (Bas @ 28th August 2009 20:42)

* Why a character which you play the half of the game has to die??? Seriously, aeris' death just sucked.

In most of the Final Fantasy games leading up to 7 and some after that, main characters died quite often. Depressing but Aeris hasn't been the only unlucky character.
I think Square enjoy making us sad =(

Yeah, 7's overrated but I still think its a freaking excellent game. Especially for its time. Alot of people underrate it, just because they hate how popular it is.
Ah well :]

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Alot of people underrate it, just because they hate how popular it is.
Ah well :]

I agree. When the game first came out, I didn't really like it because it was so hyped up. When I finally played it, I found it really was good. I think it takes a pretty good game to turn someone's opinion around like that when there is an initial bias against it.

In any case, declaring something overrated is a good way to incite fans to rally in support of it.

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final fantasy 7 is just getting anoying stop making more 7s and make more 8s and 9s

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final fantasy 7 is just getting anoying stop making more 7s and make more 8s and 9s

That's a bad idea


Maybe its time for something new,a totally new from scratch product.

Square made new products in its hayday even in ff6's era

Just look at chrono trigger

And chrono cross wich came out on playstation first?

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Quote (Bas @ 28th August 2009 20:42)

* Boring Ability-system...I am not talking about linking the materias..but about leveling them up. It just takes ages and made the game itself tedious and boring to myself

Sadly, that happens with most FF games, including Final Fantasy V. It takes quite a lot to master the jobs in Final Fantasy V. It also takes quite a while to get every ability in Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI, and yes, Final Fantasy VIII.

The Materia System is a very good one. It is very unique because it's the only game system, so far I've seen, that includes Final Attack, Sneak Attack, Magic Counter, Command Counter and swapping of HP and MP.

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The Materia System is a very good one. It is very unique because it's the only game system, so far I've seen, that includes Final Attack, Sneak Attack, Magic Counter, Command Counter and swapping of HP and MP.

Absolutely. Moreover, there is a lot of scope for interesting combinations. The HP<>MP materia is awkward and difficult to work around, but the results are ultimately rewarding if you utilise all the MP available via multiple MP Turbo materia, high MP cost magic and others such as W-Magic and Quadra Magic.

It may take some time to master the materia but I think exploring and fighting different monsters to find the best AP or EXP spots is part of the fun.

It's by no means perfect. Although there are a lot of different individual materia, it would be nice to be able to link more of them together. Counter with W-Item, the item being chosen before the battle or possibly during it, would be interesting. The same problem exists with W-Summon and W-Magic. I don't think it's possible to stack HP Absorb either. As far as I remember, you can't put three HP Absorb materia with three identical magic materia and expect a triple bonus. Nevertheless it's a brilliant system.

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In most of the Final Fantasy games leading up to 7 and some after that, main characters died quite often. happy.gif Depressing but Aeris hasn't been the only unlucky character.
I think Square enjoy making us sad =(

About which FFs are you talking please?

I just can remember that many characters "died" in FF IV, and galuf in FF V, and maybe some in FF II can't recall, but that's it. And even then there is a HUGE difference:
FF IV: You just didn't have the characters since the (almost) start of the game. You don't have a single character who "dies" up to about the half game time.
FF V: Yes, Galuf dies, but you keep his abilites and levels. No training wasted.
FF II: Mostly like FF IV, but a bit more worse IMHO. Teaching and training magic with "the fourth character" is just too useless =/

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Sadly, that happens with most FF games, including Final Fantasy V. It takes quite a lot to master the jobs in Final Fantasy V. It also takes quite a while to get every ability in Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI, and yes, Final Fantasy VIII.

I am not talking about mastering them.
I am talking about LEVELING them up.
FF VI? Max. 100/ABP fights for a new spell.
V: You get your first "job ups" very soon...10 ABP? 30 ABP?
FF IV the same; you _learn_ spells during the whole game and even in the beginning.
In FF VII it just takes sooo long to get the next level of a materia.

I've known some FF fans to quit playing the series altogether because they claim its a redundant series. They've said its pretty much the same thing over and over. they've even gone so far to say theres magic use in every one, some form of summon, at least one character dies, and so on...thats what makes a good rpg people! yes its redundant but in many ways also different.

Personally i think they nailed it with FF7 because its your ultimate tragedy that drops you right into a storyline thats somewhat mysterious in ways. it always keeps you wondering whats happening/happened.

im a huge FF7 fan if you couldnt tell, i mean hell i grew up playin the demo disc and was screaming for more

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Quote (Moogle37 @ 28th August 2009 23:22)

Quote (Death Penalty @ 28th August 2009 15:43)

And since I've posted that, I'll just add that FFVII is a good game. Not the best RPG, far from the worst, and is completely worth it's playthrough.

Personally I agreee with you.

but it still deserves to be called the best game because if you take out what all the FF games have accomplished FF7 has accomplished the most.

I guess the best way for me to explain it is that in the end greatness is measured by success, not by personal opinion. for example:

Michael Jordan is labeled as the best nba player, but if he wouldn't of achieved what he did he would never of received that title. Same goes for FF7 it had the most success therefore statisticly it is the "best" game, and no matter how many people dont believe it to be (including myself) it doesn't change the fact, FF7 is the best game in the series.

another example:
lets say one hundred years from now, and just for the sake of my point lets assume that there wont be any other final fantasy games. If someone came up to me and told me to write a report on which FF game was the best in history. I personally would research which final fantasy game achieved the most versus playing them all and giving my personal opinion.

FF6 would win in characters story

It is the most complete

FF4 has great characters and the story is good too.

There is something about the games themselves,there is this special feel to them.

Final fantasy tactics is more about gameplay than story i think,while it has some story and the main character,montblanc and the girl are pretty likeable characters.

Ff5 has funny dialect,the plo is ok,simple and acceptable

FF5 has also really fun gameplay

FF7,well i played it 3 times and never played it again

and every time i played it,it wasn't from the start except once or twice,the third time was from a endgame save to beat ruby,and when i did it,i had no reason to go back because there was nothing to keep me going.

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This post has been edited by Moogle37 on 1st September 2009 22:33

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In most of the Final Fantasy games leading up to 7 and some after that, main characters died quite often. happy.gif Depressing but Aeris hasn't been the only unlucky character.
I think Square enjoy making us sad =(

About which FFs are you talking please?

Well even though you keep Galuf's abilites he still died which was a bummer.
And Leo in VI, even though he wasn't a playable character I know quite a number of people who were bummed by that.
Tellah died I'm pretty sure in IV.



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Ok so i'l play crisis core to see how it is

This doesn't change the facts that i still think ff7 is way overrated.

It had its interesting points,sure it was nice to have so many materia on your blade.


As for being overpowered:I don't think cloud or any of the heroes were overpowered in the fight against ruby or emerald weapon,considering they are really tough bosses.

I also didn't get knights of the round either,couldn't stand the chocobo breeding thing.


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In most of the Final Fantasy games leading up to 7 and some after that, main characters died quite often. happy.gif Depressing but Aeris hasn't been the only unlucky character.
I think Square enjoy making us sad =(

About which FFs are you talking please?

Well even though you keep Galuf's abilites he still died which was a bummer.
And Leo in VI, even though he wasn't a playable character I know quite a number of people who were bummed by that.
Tellah died I'm pretty sure in IV.

It has gone a bit OT - I was first referring to playable characters, especially aerith cause he died after the first HALF of the game. You can't compare Leo or Tellah to this situation, and yep, their death might have sucked too, but not that much IMHO.

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Minwu, Ricard, and Josef from Final Fantasy II, Aria, Doga, and Unei from Final Fantasy III, Tellah from Final Fantasy IV, and Galuf from Final Fantasy V.

That's at least one playable character in *all* Final Fantasy games numbered two through six. Aeris/th's death did have a lot of impact in the plot of Final Fantasy VII, but saying that it was something never done before or even new to the world of Final Fantasy is false.

And for me, the shocking and/or moving major-character-in-a-videogame deaths for me, by far, are:

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Nei from Phantasy Star II, The Boss from Metal Gear Solid 3, and Crono in Chrono Trigger. I just never thought Aeristh was that interesting.

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And for me, the shocking and/or moving major-character-in-a-videogame deaths for me, by far, are: [SPOILER]Nei from Phantasy Star II, The Boss from Metal Gear Solid 3, and Crono in Chrono Trigger. I just never thought Aeristh was that interesting.

I'll grant you those, but I'd add

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Minwu, Ricard, and Josef from Final Fantasy II, Aria, Doga, and Unei from Final Fantasy III, Tellah from Final Fantasy IV, and Galuf from Final Fantasy V. 

That's at least one playable character in *all* Final Fantasy games numbered two through six.  Aeris/th's death did have a lot of impact in the plot of Final Fantasy VII, but saying that it was something never done before or even new to the world of Final Fantasy is false. 

And for me, the shocking and/or moving major-character-in-a-videogame deaths for me, by far, are:

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Nei from Phantasy Star II, The Boss from Metal Gear Solid 3, and Crono in Chrono Trigger.  I just never thought Aeristh was that interesting. 

Your talking about metal gear solid 3?

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The boss aka snake dies in mgs4

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The boss aka snakes teacher dies in mgs3

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 3rd September 2009 10:57

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