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Recently, I've been thinking about water-elemental abilities, and I've tried to list all of the water spells that FFVI includes, as they aren't too many. These are the ones I have got this far:
Aqua Rake (Lore performed by Strago) Clean Sweep (Lore performed by Strago) Esper Attack: Bismark (can't remember the name) Water Edge (Thrown object by Shadow) Flash Rain/Acid Rain (Enemy magic. Not 100% sure of these two) El Niño (Dance performed by Mog) And now for a question (Master ZED, maybe?): Are the water-elemental spells unique from ice-elemental spells in stats and such, or have water and ice got the same function during the game? And finally a philosophy question: Why are there always a lack of water spells in many RPG:s, and especially in the FF-games? We always get fire, ice and thunder spells, but we can never cast "Water 1", "Water 2" and "Water 3"! ![]() -------------------- People say I'm a slow learner, but I type fast! |
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Posted: 16th September 2003 10:44
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Well, you could just look through my attack guide, which you can pick up at my site.
Also, yes, ice and water are two different elementals. -------------------- |
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Posted: 16th September 2003 18:32
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Quote (Shirrow @ 16th September 2003 03:28) And finally a philosophy question: Why are there always a lack of water spells in many RPG:s, and especially in the FF-games? We always get fire, ice and thunder spells, but we can never cast "Water 1", "Water 2" and "Water 3"! ![]() The Water elemental spells do get neglected in some Final Fantasies, but in others they are equally present. The Waters are useful jack-of-all-trades Junctions in Final Fantasy VIII, and the full array of Water, Water 2, and Water 3 are available in FFX, albeit under the names of Water, Watera, and Waterga, respectively. Water spells are also a part of Frog's repertoire in Chrono Trigger, though they aren't terribly useful. Generally, the Water element in most console RPGs has been pinned as an element of healing rather than harm; its cousin Ice is typically treated as the more offensive verse of the same song. Nonetheless, there are a number of powerful Water elemental spells with damage dealing properties. This post has been edited by Super Moogle on 16th September 2003 18:34 -------------------- "I always have a quotation for everything - it saves original thinking." ~Dorothy L. Sayers "The truly remarkable thing about television is that it allows several million people to laugh at the same joke and still feel lonely." ~T.S. Eliot "Defeat is not defeat unless accepted as reality - in your own mind!" ~ Bruce Lee |
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For some reason I tend to love water spells. I think however, that game companies in general find less sensible ways to make water seem damaging. Huge floods should tecnically damage all characters (Merton-style), and jets of water materializing out of the air and indoor rain are maybe less plausible than some other elements. Although ice is water too, once it materializes its weight and coldness already bust the enemies up. Water won't hurt you unless it has some real momentum behind it.
I still love it though. -------------------- Get me off this Disciplinary Committee so I can play any FF except for FF8!!! |
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Posted: 18th September 2003 00:00
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The only strength behind Water has always been with Leviathan (his VI replacement, Bismark, didn't seem especially strong).
What is the difference between Water and Ice, as far as strengths/weaknesses go? -------------------- "I had to write four novels before they let me write comic books." -Brad Meltzer |
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Posted: 18th September 2003 00:44
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They're elements. While some are pinned for strengths or weaknesses based on what the enemy's design is, weakness and strength vs. an element is simply set with status-style bits.
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Posted: 18th September 2003 00:56
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Well, I've been thinking about it, and it seems like:
Water Strengths Against Fire Water-Elemental Monsters' Weaknesses Against Lightning Ice Strengths Against Fire Against Reptiles/Amphibians Ice-Elemental Monsters' Weaknesses Fire What else did I miss? It seems that water is usless as a magic spell in your own characters' arsenal. -------------------- "I had to write four novels before they let me write comic books." -Brad Meltzer |
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Posted: 18th September 2003 01:01
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Well for the game it's listed for (here, ff6) It's really only there to pick out a few monsters you can zap for bonus damage
For a game that actually calculates differences in damage for water/rain/bolt/fire, try FF Tactics. -------------------- "Not me... I dreamt I was a moron." |
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Quote (Ejoty @ 18th September 2003 00:07) For some reason I tend to love water spells. I think however, that game companies in general find less sensible ways to make water seem damaging. Huge floods should tecnically damage all characters (Merton-style), and jets of water materializing out of the air and indoor rain are maybe less plausible than some other elements. Although ice is water too, once it materializes its weight and coldness already bust the enemies up. Water won't hurt you unless it has some real momentum behind it. I still love it though. Spells like Ultima and Meteor also seem to hit everyone on the screen, at least in FFVI. But they never damage your buddies. But I see your point. Yes, water might be a little difficult to use as a cool attack effect. But they could at least use some bubbles or a burst of water coming from underground etc. Just look at the Aqualung enemy skill in FFVII. -------------------- People say I'm a slow learner, but I type fast! |
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Posted: 19th September 2003 17:35
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I always thought most of the water effects were a little silly, especially summons like Leviathan and Siren (in FFVIII) that flash-flood the whole screen. I mean, that water has to go somewhere, right?
I guess I like the way they do it in FFX a little more, where there's kinda a big blob of water that attacks the monsters. Even if it's implausible to get enough force behind a spray, I'd rather see jet sprays doing damage than silly things like bubbles. -------------------- Veni, vidi, dormivi. |
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Posted: 19th September 2003 17:43
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That's a good point, but Siren's not really water-elemental. I always figured the way she hurt people was through really painful music.
Seriously though, if Ice can do the same thing, plus more, what is the point in having Water? What advantage does water have over ice? -------------------- "I had to write four novels before they let me write comic books." -Brad Meltzer |
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Posted: 19th September 2003 21:43
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Quote (Dark Paladin @ 19th September 2003 12:43) Seriously though, if Ice can do the same thing, plus more, what is the point in having Water? What advantage does water have over ice? Well in FFX, which we've brought up, Lightning-enemies are weak against water and vice-versa, but fire-enemies aren't necessarily weak to water. ...and yeah, I didn't think about Ultima, Quake, and so on.. but thanks for seeing my point Shirrow. ...and Aqualung does kick butt. This post has been edited by Ejoty on 19th September 2003 21:46 -------------------- Get me off this Disciplinary Committee so I can play any FF except for FF8!!! |
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Posted: 20th September 2003 21:51
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yea, I always wonder why they don't make alot of water attacks and lots of ice attack for RPGs. (altho, there is many water attacks in the Pokemon games like water gun, hydro pump, surf, and water fall to name a few.)
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